r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17 edited May 04 '22

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u/sammythemc Dec 13 '17

People really need to stop thinking about this stuff in terms of individualized will, it doesn't really work that way on a macro level. Looking at these kinds of structural forces to explain the disparity should be our default.

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u/RonaldoNazario Dec 13 '17

It isnt even hard to follow the few jumps to structural disenfranchisement: Racially biased enforcement of drug and other laws -> disproportionate convictions -> disenfranchisement of felons -> racially discriminatory disenfranchisement

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

True! I imagine that played a big role. Hopefully we can put more work into figuring out why (that might have played the largest role but these things usually have multiple causes) and then do something about it.

Finally do some fighting back on that front.

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u/genezkool323 Wisconsin Dec 13 '17

Jeff Sessions has been doing his part to ensure the exact opposite. I'm sure he would love if he could remove all black votes by way of felonies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

The info is actually already out there for people who study these things. Just few really pay attention to it

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

When people say we need to figure things out, the information is almost always already "out there" - what they mean is that the information needs to be conveyed, in an actionable form, to those with the power and desire to do something about it.

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u/ragnarockette Dec 13 '17

Specifically 25% of black men in Alabama.

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u/klayyyylmao Dec 13 '17

I thought I read somewhere that this was the first election that ex-felons were allowed to vote in? Or maybe not?

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u/Vhak Dec 13 '17

Only a specific group, they exclude felons convicted of "moral turpitude" which was basically defined as anything that they could convict black people of. They finally defined that a little better so a group of felons gained the right to vote. It's still not perfect tho.

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u/Youdontcareabout Dec 13 '17

I don't have a problem with felons being unable to vote.

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u/malevolent_maelstrom Dec 13 '17

Even if they've finished their prison sentences and repent?

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u/FreeCashFlow Dec 13 '17

Why? They're still citizens.

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u/Smooth_On_Smooth Dec 13 '17

When felons include people arrested for things like nonviolent drug crimes, I have a problem with it. Although really, I always have a problem with it. Ex-felons are still citizens. If they're worthy to be let back out into society, they're worthy enough to vote.

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u/RonaldoNazario Dec 13 '17

Get back to me when laws are even close to fairly enforced and weed isn't illegal