r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/ToLiveInIt Dec 13 '17

Or, and this happens, it's only open the fifth Wednesday of the month. So, four days a year.

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u/Evil_phd Dec 13 '17

Holy shit. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they had a vacant building marked "DMV" that was only open on the second Tuesday of next week.

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u/IUsedToBeGlObAlOb23 Dec 13 '17

That's like opening it on the fucking 29th of February.

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u/Gatorboy4life Dec 13 '17

Doesn't that just make it harder for everyone to get an ID though?

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u/Meneth Dec 13 '17

If you're more affluent, you're more likely to be able to afford to take enough time off work to travel somewhere else and get ID.

These ridiculous hours are also generally concentrated in poorer areas with a lot of non-white people.

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u/Arctem Dec 13 '17

You mostly see situations like that in minority majority communities. There's a pattern of budget cuts resulting in DMVs having to close, then by (supposedly) pure coincidence, all the selected DMVs are in minority-heavy areas.

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u/ACoderGirl Canada Dec 13 '17

Only that area, which makes it a good way to target by geography. Who can't get a different form of ID through other means. Eg, wealthier people are more likely to be able to get drivers licenses.

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u/ToLiveInIt Dec 13 '17

They target the black parts of the states for these limited openings and for closings.

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u/Gatorboy4life Dec 13 '17

You see is the part that should be mentioned. Like how is that not the first thing someone says when they say it's hard for minorities to get an ID.

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u/Darce_Knight Dec 13 '17

Yes it does, but people with more money are more likely to have better jobs, and better jobs means you have a better ability to take time off of work to take care of things like that. If you're working worse jobs, it's harder to get time off at all, and even if you could get time off, you might literally not be able to afford to pay bills or buy enough food for you and your family by taking several hours off work.

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u/p_oI Dec 13 '17

Keep in mind it also isn't about leaving your group completely unharmed and the other destroyed. It can be about inflicted just a little more damage on the other guy's voters than yours.

Like say you can do some of the things described in this thread. You may disenfranchise 2% or your voters, but if you do the same to 7% of the other side then you come out way ahead on the deal.

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u/KalamityJean Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

Imagine you are the political party in control of the state government, and you know that if certain kinds of folks (Black voters being the big one, but some other demographics apply too) vote in large numbers, they will vote for the opposing party. And you know what areas those folks live in, and you can decide where to cut funding to force the DMV to cut their hours down. Now imagine your state also has a legacy of Jim Crow and you miss those days. You see where this is going.

Oh and also imagine that women are starting to lean more heavily against your party and also are much more likely to have changed their names recently. Maybe shave a few women from Dem-leaning areas off the polls.

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u/Gatorboy4life Dec 13 '17

Imagine that other people have said this already. Imagine you looked at those comments before responding. Imagine if the original guy just said, "They're shutting down DMV's in areas that minorities live in".

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u/fifarus Dec 13 '17

That specific DMV is one of the designated DMVs to hand out free IDs. Not all DMVs have the ability to do that. So, presumably, there are other DMVs available, that are closer to these people, but they would need to pay for their photo ID like everybody else.

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u/droidballoon Dec 13 '17

If so many people lack ID:s, how do they do bank errands, sign up for phone and gas? I'm also genuinely curious.

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u/medusa15 Dec 13 '17

You don't necessarily need an ID for things like phones. You can buy a pay as you go phone, or have it gifted to you, or buy it from a pawn shop and just sign up for a data plan online, none of which requires an ID. I think that's very different from other countries; when I lived in Japan, I needed identification for all the things you mentioned, but it's a lot less strict here in the US. All I need to bill for utilities is just my address and some basic census data, no identification required, for example.

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u/droidballoon Dec 13 '17

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

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u/oldcarfreddy Texas Dec 13 '17

In addition to the other person's answer, consider signing up for a phone, buying alcohol, etc. aren't constitutional rights, while voting is.