r/politics Foreign Dec 13 '17

Black voters just saved America from Roy Moore

https://thinkprogress.org/back-vote-alabama-jones-8da18c1d8d7a/
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u/ChickenInASuit Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

He's a racist, misogynist dinosaur?

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u/mnmkdc Dec 13 '17

I meant like what did he say the reason for that is but yeah

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u/sotonohito Texas Dec 13 '17

He claimed that was when "families were strong and stayed together".

By which we can only assume he meant white families, because of course black families were routinely torn apart by slave owners selling husbands, wives, and children to different owners.

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u/ehmath02 Dec 13 '17

And white families stayed together because it was social/economic suicide for wives to divorce abusive husbands

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u/TenTonsOfAssAndBelly California Dec 13 '17

I know that Roy Moore was being an absolute fucking racist ass hat, and this point is completely moot, but white families weren't more united then either. Maybe in Alabama, but not across the entire south. Regions and families in Tennessee and West Virginia were split between the Union and the Confederacy.

So in short, his myth is bullshit on multiple levels.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Ahh, those good ol' times, when America was great /s

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Considering the 11th Amendment was ratified in 1795 (only 4 years after the Bill of Rights), we started our moral decline rather quickly!

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u/jingerninja Dec 13 '17

Ah, the good ol' days eh?

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u/Thersites92 Dec 13 '17

Yeah this "families were strong back in the day" is a hilarious little fiction that's used as justification for all kinds of dumbass viewpoints. A co-worker of mine tried to argue that black people in America were better off before civil rights bc there were fewer single parent households and it took me a solid 5 minutes to pick up my jaw off the floor before telling him to shut the fuck up.

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u/theoreticaldickjokes Dec 13 '17

I'm perfectly content with not having a father. Especially if the alternative is to perform backbreaking labor and you know, rape.

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u/Cheese_Pancakes New Jersey Dec 13 '17

I've also heard people say that black people should be thankful that they were brought over as slaves because otherwise, they'd still be in Africa.

There is no way to justify slavery and no reason the victims of it should ever be thankful that it happened.

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u/KalamityJean Dec 13 '17

I've heard this line a number of times. It's been a thing (some) conservatives say for...awhile. And they do t understand how evil it is/they sound, I guess. It really is disgusting.

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u/QQ_L2P Dec 14 '17

He's right about the black community suffering from single parent households. He's wrong about slavery though, l u l.

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u/LockeClone Dec 13 '17

Back when the good people of Alabama all had hook worm, stayed home on the farm out of a labor necessity and hanged any random the local vigilante squad could capture? Those good old days?

Why the fuck does anyone try to evoke this crap and what kind of slack-jawed yokel believes it?

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u/BlackSpidy Dec 13 '17

what kind of slack-jawed yokel believes it?

Well... See the red counties in this map? Those are the places where the majority of people looked at Roy Moore and said "yes, I want that man to represent me in the US Senate".

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u/van_morrissey Dec 13 '17

It's funny you say that, cause you can look it up... apparently some counties in Alabama are currently having hookworm problems...

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u/LockeClone Dec 13 '17

Yes, I know. TB is also making a comeback with some homeless populations. As a country we're backsliding in some very scary ways.

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u/Kerrigore Canada Dec 13 '17

I’m pretty sure what he really meant was “Back in the good old days your wife couldn’t leave you no matter what, so you were free to treat her like property. Plus, you could molest however many children you wanted, and if they were black, no one would care!”

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u/bodymessage Dec 13 '17

"You could even kill em! How i long for the days of the past"

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u/Mt-WesternHemlock Dec 13 '17

He is also blowing a dog whistle. In the white supremacist community there is a meme that black people were better off as skates because as skates at least their family unit was kept together (which isn't even true)

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u/itsamamaluigi Minnesota Dec 13 '17

Could it also be playing on the stereotype that black fathers don't stay with their family?

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u/KalamityJean Dec 13 '17

Maybe they could stop locking Black men in cages for petty bullshit. That might help.

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u/Notary_Reddit Dec 13 '17

That is a recent (since 70s) trend that conservatives blame on the rise of welfare (mother's are sure there children won't starve) and the drug epidemic (fathers are not around).

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u/ChickenInASuit Dec 13 '17

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u/mnmkdc Dec 13 '17

Oh man he said the last great time in American history was when slavery was legal

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u/ChickenInASuit Dec 13 '17

Yep. He's cartoonishly terrible.

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u/BlackSpidy Dec 13 '17

And he almost won the Alabama senate seat...

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

I would assume that he meant the United States as a whole has progressed enough as a whole to not reinstate any blatant and egregious violations of civil rights like slavery or banning POC and Women's rights as a whole; however, I'm sure his slimy little pedophilic rat brain was conjuring up all kinds of little loopholes to bar people he didn't like from voting or giving himself special privileges

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u/Spurdospadrus Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

no he really, really didn't mean that. In context he actually means what he's saying, that america was better before the minorities started getting all uppity.

He's also said 'the government started creating new rights in 1965 and now we've got a problem'

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u/mnmkdc Dec 13 '17

In context he meant that he thinks the federal government shouldn't be dealing with the things that they deal with in the amendments after 10. Its clear though from his other statements that he thinks America was better when slavery was still a thing

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u/Spurdospadrus Dec 13 '17

states rights is and always be a dogwhistle. They're pro-states rights when a state does something they like, federalist when a state does something they don't like.

They'd make abortion federally illegal if they could.

Also, right now this very second, they're trying to pass a concealed carry reciprocity bill- i.e using the federal government to override the laws of the individual states. It's not inherently a bad idea, I'd love for my CPL to be valid nationwide, but it's most definitely against everything these clowns profess to hold dear.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

Me putin make mistake, not spend much on facebook AL, UT fan!

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u/steaknsteak North Carolina Dec 13 '17 edited Dec 13 '17

I believe he had specific complaints about the 14th amendment changing how representatives are elected and that one clause of it has been construed by the Supreme Court to give more power to the federal government in various areas. Something like that. He didn’t say anything specific about amendments 13 or 15 but definitely agreed with the blanket statement that we’d be better off without everything after 10. To be clear, he himself did not make the “everything after 10” statement, it was made by the host of a podcast he was the guest on, but he expressed agreement with that statement

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u/giggleshmack California Dec 13 '17

The 14th Amendment changed so much about American law, to the extent that I think there are some legitimate complaints you can make about it. For example, (and this is just one example) it basically allows the Supreme Court to decide what "liberty" is, which is really awesome power that the framers might not have ever imagined (and that's where things like the right to abortion, the right to marry, the right to refuse medical treatment, etc. come from.) You hear those arguments in the legal community all the time. "That's too much power. They're Judges; not an ancient council of wise elders!" etc. But a blanket statement, saying 17 Amendments should be done away with, is really extreme. I think even Scalia would say that's insane.

Source: I'm taking my Constitutional Law final in 4 hours.

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u/FNLN_taken Dec 13 '17

I think others are overestimating the sophistication behind that.

Its not about the content of the amendments, its said in order to weasel the number 10 in there, aka the 10 commandments.

Code for "christian nation" without openly embracing Ya'll-Quaeda.

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u/shwekhaw Dec 13 '17

Don’t make me hate dinosaurs.

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u/MagmusCreep Dec 13 '17

Yea but one of his attorneys is a jew so we are all good right?

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u/Dragonsandman Canada Dec 13 '17

Which is funny, because odds are good that he doesn't believe Dinosaurs existed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '17

And he was practically Kidolph Ditdler

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u/babbyredditz Dec 13 '17

But, his wife said he had a "jew lawyer"

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u/HeyPScott Dec 13 '17

racist, misogynistic dinosaur

GOP answer to Ninja Turtles.

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u/YippieKiAy Dec 13 '17

Hey dude, dinosaurs were cool. This guy is a fucking parasite.

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u/neoteotihuacan Dec 13 '17

Giving dinosaurs a bad name.

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u/PrimozDelux Dec 13 '17

but he has a jewish lawyer, and maybe even a black friend!

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u/HilarityEnsuez Dec 13 '17

He was expecting them to elect him anyway because they're "stupid" and would laugh and laugh and feel justified in his position. Kind of like some other officials, I'm sure, who think the people are dumb and exist o my to be used.

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u/chailer Dec 13 '17

Dinosaurs are nice people.