You’re acting on feeling. I’m acting on recorded history and fact.
No you... really aren't. "Don't you know how terrible it was to be Black in 1960! How all the incredible accomplishments of Black people were suppressed by racist whites!" - this is pure emotion, 'Diversity as a religion' as I said.
America is a country where MLK might as well be Jesus Christ. We are not a country where the accomplishments of Black people go unacknowledged. Actually marginally pathetic how far we stretch to credit Black people, e.g. when I was at school I learned "a black man invented the personal computer" - Dr. Mark Dean. Later on I learned that that wasn't actually true, that he was only one person of a team of over 16 people (of which every other member was a white man). He got singled out for special attention basically because of the color of his skin.
As I've said multiple times, everyone should get the credit they are due for their own accomplishments. But "Black women got us to the moon" is not a true statement. "Some Black women helped us get to the moon, but we would have likely got their anyway" is the far more accurate interpretation of the Apollo program.
As a guess - how many Black women do you think were involved in putting Yuri Gagarin into space?
It's pretty awful to be Black today. Personally I'd much rather be born into a nuclear family in Alabama in 1960's than a single mother in Baltimore in the 2010's. And I'd take either of those over being born into say, Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
Speaking of 'only accepting whatever their head thinks feels nice and not actual history' the person who thinks;
"Man, I thought putting a man on the moon was the highest achievement of white Civilization, but actually thanks to some totally impartial progressive historians it turns out that we couldn't have done it without Black women! They were critical!"
May be operating under some confirmation bias.
Anyway I'm happy to end this conversation here. I've debated enough progressives to know that from this point out it will just be apoplectic frothing on your part. Let's call it a day shall we?
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No you... really aren't. "Don't you know how terrible it was to be Black in 1960! How all the incredible accomplishments of Black people were suppressed by racist whites!" - this is pure emotion, 'Diversity as a religion' as I said.
America is a country where MLK might as well be Jesus Christ. We are not a country where the accomplishments of Black people go unacknowledged. Actually marginally pathetic how far we stretch to credit Black people, e.g. when I was at school I learned "a black man invented the personal computer" - Dr. Mark Dean. Later on I learned that that wasn't actually true, that he was only one person of a team of over 16 people (of which every other member was a white man). He got singled out for special attention basically because of the color of his skin.
As I've said multiple times, everyone should get the credit they are due for their own accomplishments. But "Black women got us to the moon" is not a true statement. "Some Black women helped us get to the moon, but we would have likely got their anyway" is the far more accurate interpretation of the Apollo program.
As a guess - how many Black women do you think were involved in putting Yuri Gagarin into space?