r/politics • u/slaysia • Dec 19 '17

Democrat wins Va. House seat in recount by single vote; creating 50-50 tie in legislature

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/democrat-wins-va-house-seat-in-recount-by-single-vote-creating-50-50-tie-in-legislature/2017/12/19/3ff227ae-e43e-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.82f2b85b50fa
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u/pedantic_cheesewheel Dec 19 '17

As you should. Truly HRC lost by around 100,000 votes spread across Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin so yeah, I'm sure the overconfidence that she would win coupled with the feeling that so many didn't want to vote Clinton because of a hate for establishment is what did her in. Third prong to that is she pretty much ignored the Rust Belt as a whole for reasons I'll never understand.

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u/flamecircle Dec 19 '17

Well, any strategy is gunna look odd when you lose.

I don't know enough about it, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't just twiddling thumbs.

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u/mountainlion90 Dec 20 '17

Staffers came out after the campaign and admitted that she didn't want to go to any area that didn't have 4G Cell service lol

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u/mountainlion90 Dec 20 '17

I'm trying to find it via google, but it's tough because of all of the stories about Obama Cell phones, her destroying cell phones before Benghazi, and bunch of conspiracy stuff. I believe it's in the book "Shattered" though, which was authored by people who worked on the campaign.

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u/othellia Washington Dec 20 '17

She assumed she had them in the bag and started campaigning in traditionally red places like Georgia and Arizona.

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u/HillarysHotSauce Dec 20 '17

What is super bizarre to me is that I saw Trump's internal polling for those states- they weren't competitive.

Either Hillary's internal polling was way off, her campaign manager hid the numbers from her, or she was being fed different data to make her way too confident. I'm not saying that as a criticism of Hillary, necessarily, but there was a big fuck up in her campaign strategy. It was a winnable election for her.

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u/othellia Washington Dec 20 '17

Yeah, it was really weird. And I remember the mainstream media picking up on it and debating whether they'd turn for her and give her an even bigger electoral victory than Obama... Both sides got packed into their own little bubbles in the months leading up to the election.

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u/quickharris Dec 20 '17

If what you're saying about the R internal numbers is true, there's also the less savory alternative here - what if everybody's internal polls were right, but the tally was wrong? I normally have more faith in our system but honestly, 2016/17 has been just such a volley of fuckery I can't rule out shenanigans with voter registration.

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u/HillarysHotSauce Dec 22 '17

I didn't see Hillary's internal polling data, only Trump's. If both internal polling was accurate (have no reason to believe it wasn't- they both had good pollsters), then Hillary would have campaigned in different states. Her campaign strategy didn't make sense in relation to polling data. Someone gave her wrong data or overinflated her ego and told her red states were competitive. That's just my personal opinion.

The tally definitely could have been wrong. There were countless examples of voter fraud on both sides. We need to address voter fraud for sure.

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u/MrKentucky Kentucky Dec 20 '17

Georgia and Arizona were closer than Ohio.

HRC spent a shit ton of time in NC and she lost it. The problem wasn’t her not going to the rust belt, the problem was.. well.. her, Russia, and the FBI.

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u/kobitz Dec 20 '17

Third prong to that is she pretty much ignored the Rust Belt as a whole for reasons I'll never understand.

Not so simple: Yes she didnt visit prioritize Michigan and Winsconson as much but every single poll had her up by like 5 points in those two states and remember theose two states, even if she had won them would have NOT won her the election. Hillary spent time, money and effort in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. The first two were THE swing states and the third I assume her polling told her it was in danger of flipping. At the end, she lost Ohio by ten points, Florida by 1 and Pennsylvania by a margin similar to that of Winsconsin and Michigan

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u/gooderthanhail Dec 20 '17

Stein fucked her hard.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '17

I don't see how it's the third party candidate's fault that Hillary did not earn their votes. I don't like Stein, but if Hillary would have done better she would have got Stein's votes. It's not a coronation.

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u/AlwaysDefenestrated Dec 20 '17

A huge number of Stein voters probably wouldn't have even voted otherwise. Blaming third party candidates, even shitty ones, for running is dumb. Convince your base to vote for you or deal with it when they don't.

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u/RrailThaGod Dec 20 '17

A huge number of Stein voters probably wouldn't have even voted otherwise.

Bullshit. 9 out of 10 Sanders supporters ended up voting for Clinton, and Stein/Sanders are equally as fringe. Sanders was essentially a third party candidate who wanted to make use of the DNC's infrastructure and notoriety.

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u/clockwerkman Dec 20 '17

Hopefully she gets indicted.

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u/HillarysHotSauce Dec 20 '17

What would be the grounds for her being indicted? Genuinely asking.

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u/jobforacreebree Minnesota Dec 20 '17

The only thing I could think of would be working with the Russians to act as a spoiler in key states...but I doubt we have any evidence of that at the moment.

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u/clockwerkman Dec 20 '17

Working on behalf of a foriegn gov. A lot of evidence she worked with putin to split the dems votes.

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u/TheGlassCat Dec 20 '17

Comey helped too. It was a perfect storm.

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u/HillarysHotSauce Dec 20 '17

Comey is an interesting figure-- hated by both Liberals and Republicans.

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u/TheGlassCat Dec 20 '17

I certainly don't haye him. I think he's a good man who made a huge blunder.

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u/dwalker444 Dec 20 '17

Unhackthevote.com has quite a bit of analysis on this very topic. A worthwhile view.