r/politics • u/slaysia • Dec 19 '17

Democrat wins Va. House seat in recount by single vote; creating 50-50 tie in legislature

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/democrat-wins-va-house-seat-in-recount-by-single-vote-creating-50-50-tie-in-legislature/2017/12/19/3ff227ae-e43e-11e7-ab50-621fe0588340_story.html?utm_term=.82f2b85b50fa
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u/ruffus4life Dec 19 '17

you can get ideas from anywhere. the jon stewart daily show was basically politician says this. then them show a clip for 2 months ago saying the exact opposite. but the giant douche/turd sandwich is a talking point crutch for people unwilling to put in the effort.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '17

Democrats need to up their meme game. I'm totally serious.

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u/preprandial_joint Dec 20 '17

Just read a great r/bestof post of a user speculating that the future generations will totally base their political opinions and voting habits off of memes.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

I'm pretty sure they always have actually -- using the broader definition of a meme anyhow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '17

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u/lashfield Dec 19 '17

No, they're not blaming the creators for the two-party system. What they're saying is that the giant douche/turd sandwhich episode created a non-starter talking point originating from two wealthy libertarians that people have relied on to justify their political indifference by creating a false equivalency between the two parties. That episode is fucking garbage and the ideas contained within are lazy at best and dangerous at worst.

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u/killroy200 Florida Dec 20 '17

What they're saying is that the giant douche/turd sandwhich episode created a non-starter talking point originating from two wealthy libertarians that people have relied on to justify their political indifference by creating a false equivalency between the two parties.

Having watched the most recent episode of this, Fort Collins, I feel like there's something being missed here. In the episode, they blatantly come out and say that Garrison (Trump) is blatantly unqualified to be president, and actively try to support Clinton, though they do make her seem silly in response to that support.

At least most recently, it really doesn't seem like they're taking a true 'both parties are the same' stance, and are instead directly mocking and speaking against Trump's policies, and the mentalities that lead to their popularity.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '17

They clearly bash on Trump and the Republicans both last season and the current season. I think it is obvious that the creators of South Park have since changed their mind on the whole douchebag and turd sandwich nightmare.

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u/killroy200 Florida Dec 20 '17

That's not to say that it's not still there to some extent, but it has very much shifted by now. They didn't give Hillary glowing praise, of course, but I wouldn't say she deserved it.

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u/mrfuzzyasshole Dec 20 '17 edited Dec 20 '17

I used to love South Park, the giant douche episode ,even the first date it aired: i was like this is bullshit: bush and gore are not the same. Republicans and dems are not the same. Trust me I get the sentiment they are trying to make. They are pretty similar. They take money from some of the same people. But the same? No.

I’m sure whiteboys Matt and trey who were something on the order of three times less likely to get arrested for the drugs they did when they were younger would feel the same way about that if they were black in prison for drug possession and not , well at least at the moment, preying on our societal weak points to make non starter points galore

Then when the pc bro thing started I was like: this is gonna be bad. We are gonna have a lot of young people who are going to be EASY PICKINGS for online racists and what do you know Steve bannon co opted gamer game and the rest is history

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '17

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u/lashfield Dec 19 '17

I'm as far left as they come and you might as well brand the word "disappointment" on my left ass cheek. I can deal with disappointment, I can't deal with apathy.

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u/--o Dec 20 '17

But it's not apathy. Going out an preaching apathy is by definition not an apathetic action. Pushing apathy is worse than being apathetic and, arguably, active supports whoever has fewer redeemable attributes.

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u/DrCarlSpackler Dec 19 '17

Do you understand that lamenting the lack of meaningful choice is vastly different than the failure to vote?

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u/lashfield Dec 19 '17

Of course. That's exactly why I think South Park is dangerous, because they push cynical fatalism rather than actual critique. In any case, the idea that the two parties is indistinguishable is absolutely laughable. One can lament that the two parties are too close to one another, but one can't say that there's no meaningful difference between the two. That's what South Park pushes, not critique.

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u/DrCarlSpackler Dec 20 '17

It sounds you lean toward giant douche.

Good for you.

Now stop telling people why they are wrong and be a quiet douche.

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u/athombomb Dec 20 '17

Maybe take your own advice while you're at it

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u/Sugioh Dec 20 '17

He's not the one who is provably wrong, though. You are. If you are an adult capable of introspection, it's time to admit you made a mistake and move on from there.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '17

Do you understand that lamenting the lack of meaningful choice is vastly different than the failure to vote?

I think the dispute is whether there really is a lack of meaningful choice. Even with many similarities between two candidates/parties, there are still many differences. The poster that originally raised the objection has edited their comment to include quite a few of them.

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u/Fresh_werks Dec 19 '17

No love for Richard Pryor? "None of the above!"

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u/MaximumEffort433 Maryland Dec 20 '17

I think we would be fucking shocked at the results if "None of the above" was an option on the ballot. From a practical standpoint I don't know what affects it would have on the election, but goddamn am I curious.