r/raidsecrets • u/Suspicious-Drama8101 • 21d ago
Discussion Difficulty 2 phasing Iatros in desert perpetual 5 feat.
We don't have any titans in our circle of friends and don't really want to switch. Is there a possible weapon setup for us warlocks and hunters where we can safetly 2 phase this boss with 4-5 feats?
We have access to every gun and if push comes to shove, we can kind of convince a friend to play titan.
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u/TheAegisRelic Rank 1 (1 points) 21d ago
Try Attrition Orbs swords with Wolfpack Ergo! After we cleared I heard some teams went in with that and had a very easy time ammo and damage-wise, can throw in some super spam as well thanks to the orb gen. Of course you can do the classic Div + Thunderlord or Acrius -> LoW if you want to try that too.
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u/JBTA1989 21d ago
You’re firmly in a performance space and past for funsys, time to abuse the meta ; or have fun with 3 feats
I would figure anyone doing 4-5 feat is comfortable enough to handle another class if needed. Go roll 4 or 5 titans and keep a sof warlock around. Time for the stack to level up!
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u/Caerullean 21d ago
4 feat is no worse than 3 feat tbh, all bosses still die in 1 phase easily.
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u/DIVID-ED 18d ago
I only tried 0, 4, and 5 feats. The difference between 0 and 4 was easily managed and decent 1 or close to 1 phase. 5 feats was a completely different story indeed. We just cleared it yesterday after considerable more time compared to the single half of an evening it took for 4 feats
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u/Skiffy10 21d ago
brother you need titans lol
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 21d ago edited 21d ago
Nope. 3 hunters trio 1 phased every boss with no feats.
6 people should be able to manage 5 feat in 2 phases.
Edit: funny getting downvoted by a bunch of people that likely can’t even beat the raid 0 feat.
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u/Sad_Femboy-_- 21d ago
That’s with grapple spamming wasn’t it?
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 21d ago
Yes. And OP said his party has hunters.
Also, warlock Song of Flame is still the strongest super in the game. SOF with a trench barrel 12p shotty is probably the most damage that can be done(granted, having that shotty is rare).
They only need 1 or 2 wells. If the 1 well has 100 super and Outbreak, they get well back almost immediately after the first one ends. 1 well would be fine. 2 wells is safe. Other warlocks should be SOF.
Titans are not required for 5 feat.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 10d ago
Just coming back to this cause apparently this sub is not busy.
I have been managing to keep up with Titans with Sanguine warlock. However, I only get 1 super because I drop Outbreak.
Sanguine on solar with Yeartide/Ahab. This makes that gun strong enough to handle normal phases with zero problems. Put on 3 kinetic surges and New Land Beyond. On Koregos I am hitting 180,000 in a single phase. Titans in my party are 185,000.
Alternatively, for 1 warlock, Sanguine with triple strand surge and Dragons Breath/Mint with rewind/bns is kicking some serious ass. I was out doing titans. With that setup. And mid game is still fine thanks to Sanguije juicing the energy slot and Mint being insane anyways.
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u/Zayl 21d ago
Hearing stuff like this is why I haven't set aside time for this raid yet. I really just want the hunter armor for fashion and I'm so tired of this whole "titans only" crap because Bungie can't figure out that there's other classes in the game.
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u/valexitylol 21d ago
Hearing stuff like this is why I haven't set aside time for this raid yet
Literally only 5 feat "needs" titans. You can run 6 hunters or 6 warlocks and 1 phase every boss in the raid without feats. Using that as an excuse to not do the raid is entirely on you, not bungie lol
And I use "needs" lightly, cause it really doesn't if you're in a somewhat skilled group. Mix of warlocks/hunters can clear 5 feat as well, just requires more thinking than titans.
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u/Zayl 21d ago
Well that's good to know. I've raided a ton in the past but since my clan has stopped playing I constantly get told to switch or leave if I'm on hunter especially if running a master raid. I have zero issues running any content as hunter but people are just so heavily ruled by the meta it makes LFG terrible.
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u/Hot_Attention3318 21d ago
If you’re being told to leave raids, it’s cuz you’re bad. Sorry to tell you.
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u/michelmau5 21d ago
Bro normal raid without feats is the easiest shit ever. You'll one phase every single boss with outbreak regardless of what class anyone is using.
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u/Bardosaurus 21d ago
My GF is running hunter and pulling big numbers no issue, you don’t need 6 titans to clear. Not that deep.
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u/Bard_Knock_Life 21d ago
If you’re just Hunters and Warlocks, you can try SES + Silkstrike. Here’s a video of it nearly 1 phasing a 5 feat Iatros. Should be plenty of damage for 2 phase.
I get everyone is telling you to run Titan, but clearly this sandbox is still getting solved in new ways. Of course the strats for Titan are more known at this stage, but I don’t think it’s going to remain a must.
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u/Character_Writing_66 21d ago
Titans are just dominate because of how ability regen is working, I average 3 thundercrashes on every boss except the wyvern which we use wishful ignorance on strand anyways. They're always gonna be the 0.001 doing out of the pocket stuff that's effective, but a 2 phase 5 feat run is rather doable with 4 titans 2 warlocks
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u/Bard_Knock_Life 21d ago
Sure, but there’s nothing out of pocket about what I linked. It’s the same exact formula as titan crash spam, just better and with hunters. That’s a 5 feat basically 1 phase.
Titan is the meta because it was the first thing figured out so it becomes the first thing to propagate across the community and become part of the meta. It’s not a stagnant thing, and I fully expect the meta to be shifting as things get fixed and better understood by the community.
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u/KaptainKartoffel 21d ago
Just swap. Limiting yourself to a single class in 5 feat or even contest just isn't worth it.
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u/Available-Epena6 21d ago
Everything falls over with grapple hunter right now. That being said, if people aren’t comfortable with this, you need Titans.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 21d ago
It’s funny how any post about Titan being OP is flooded by Redditors spamming “Titan is not OP and warlock and hunter are fine.”
But in this thread every single comment is saying Titan is required. Lol.
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u/Dawg605 21d ago edited 21d ago
Titan isn't really OP though. It's just the fact that Cuirass + Thundercrash + a bunch of people genning orbs allows each Titan to get off 3-5 Thundercrashes per each longass DPS phase in DP, dealing massive damage.
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u/Packet_Sniffer_ 21d ago
Titan has literally 4 of the 5 strongest builds in the game right now. And honestly 8 of the 10 best. Then the next 10 are so hilariously comparably weak they’re a joke.
Redditors really do be all Titan mains with massive skill issues.
If warlock and hunter had even half the build diversity and strength of titans right now, you wouldn’t see all the complaints you currently see. There’s a reason warlocks are complaining.
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u/beta-3 21d ago
What titan builds do you mean are top 8/10? For me, the titan builds that are very strong are consecration (for add clear) and thunder crash w/ bolt charge (for DPS) or strand wish spam (for specific DPS or add clear). Everything else is just comparable to what other classes can do when specced well.
Hammer titans are good but nothing completely earth shattering in most encounters, ashen wakes are fun but don't really outclass the top 3 builds for titan at anything.
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u/Freakindon 21d ago
A rapid fire fusion will build up super fast without needing crits. Tractor, fusion, 1-2 sof warlocks to chain stagger, the rest running damage supers
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u/saminsocks 21d ago
As mentioned, there are several Hunter builds that do just as much damage as Titans, but you have to get creative and possibly play in ways you’re not used to.
Iatros isn’t really a “stand in a well and shoot him in the face” type of boss. Unless you’re applying scorch, he’s going to move all over the place and stomp on you, if you’re on the red plate, adds will shoot at you the whole time, and you get bounced in the air.
Raiden flux, grapple melee, ability spam with weaken grenades and celestial golden gun are all popular Hunter builds. If you’re mostly Hunter you’ll be fine. If you’re mostly Warlock, you’ll need to get creative and try to figure out how to recreate those things. Song of Flame/Acrius with another trench barrel shotty as backup does a lot of damage, but you really only get one of those in a damage phase. Maybe a star eater nova bomb. Also, as someone else said, the raid heavy bow does amazing damage, even without the ideal perks, as long as you have the seasonal mod on.
I suggest doing a 4 feat run without cutthroat, to see how you do with a smaller power gap but still dealing with battalions, particularly the imps. If you can comfortably one phase, or almost one phase, then move on to 5 feat.
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u/Thee_White_Wolf5211 21d ago
Sadly hunters are falling off endgame activities in pve. They do need there damage up. The ideal setup for yor fireteam is 4 titans and 2 warlocks. Could go with 5 titans and 1 warlock also. Titans superman and warlocks well. Tbh all classes should be equal. Hunters should be asked for as well.
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u/East_Contract_4928 18d ago
Go with the old tried and true golden gun spam and a divinity well Warlock. Orbs for days and lots of damage output.
Also a well and 6 outbreaks easily 2 phase every boss in this raid.
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u/Clopfish 21d ago
No joke my team beat him with 5 Outbreaks, 1 Tractor, 3 Cuirass T-Crashes, 2 song of Flame Warlocks, and a Prismatic Goldie Hunter.
But just Hunters and Warlocks probably won't cut it. You'll need those Bolt Charge Barricades and T-Crashes to cross that threshold.
(Or just spam wishful ignorance titans too lol)
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u/BeatMeater3000 21d ago
"Please help with advice, but we're not willing to use the actual solution required."
Get off the Hunter & on to Titan.
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u/JCXtreme 21d ago
And yet, there’s other people actually being helpful in here with suggestions for hunters!
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u/KingDuffy666 21d ago
Yeah you definitely need at least 2 thundercrashes and a Divinity. My team consistently 2 phases with that set up and everyone running Outbreak (besides the 1 Divinity of course)
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u/Character_Writing_66 21d ago
If you have a spare warlock, have em run prismatic with felwinters helm instead of using a div, the change to weakness proc on hit as well as kills made our one phases on hydra much more consistent
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u/KingDuffy666 21d ago
Omg, that sounds insane! I see the vision and I'm gonna give it a try. Do you have a link to the build?
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u/Character_Writing_66 21d ago
No, but it's far from a original thought, I'm sure there's something out there, just get 100 strength and make sure you have transcendence built before damage
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u/Kurasada 21d ago
Explosive bolts, Vorpal Weapon, Temporal Blasts mod on the raid bow should be able to clear for now. I've seen another set up with Silkstrike light attacks with Star-Eaters on Max melee and intellect 1 phase.
https://youtu.be/0viOfHC6A2k
Edit: added the Silkstrike SES link