Epic Raid what to bring

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255]

Alright guys, now that we’ve had time to get use to the meta. What do we think will Be best in the epic raid? Assuming that barrow, outbreak, and the bow( in some form) will Be nerfed/disabled? Parasite + mint? Tlord again? Ect

[u/thatguyindoom]

Crossbow with vorpal seems to be a good pick vs hydra and final (assuming bosses aren't changing).

Other than that probably just 5 t lords and a div + well.

[u/QuikAnkou → u/thatguyindoom]

There is no boss that requires div in this raid.

[u/sundalius → u/QuikAnkou]

hell a tractor with Mint will do more than a Div ever could

[u/thatguyindoom → u/QuikAnkou]

Wyvern is the only one we really use div on. I was just giving "generally" tips. Hobgob we usually all Lord of wolves and whoever is running anarchy.

[u/saminsocks → u/thatguyindoom]

I feel like tractor is still a generally better option for wyvern, though, since whoever is running tractor can also do damage with a one-two punch shotty before swapping back to tractor. Whoever is running div can only use that weapon, and since you can't really pulse it anymore, they usually run out before DPS is done if people are refreshing the hourglass properly.

[u/EverythingIzAwful → u/saminsocks]

Crits > non-crits

Everyone says you can just aim perfectly but we all know nobody is hitting majority crits without div.

[u/saminsocks → u/EverythingIzAwful]

You get popped up in the air so much, you barely hit crits with div either. Which also makes Thunderlord a bad choice for that encounter, since continuous damage causes the lightning strikes, which is what makes it strong

[u/Complete_Resolve_400 → u/saminsocks]

U know u can just time a single jump and not get yeeted right?

[u/saminsocks → u/Complete_Resolve_400]

Yeah, and when you do, you stop shooting... Unless you have some crazy key binding that lets you keep doing both. At least if you let him yeet you you have a chance to not stop and get sustained damage with Thunderlord.

We put the people who don’t have acrius on Thunderlord. Their damage is always lower, even with div. It’s not the best weapon for that encounter

[u/m4eix → u/saminsocks]

I don’t think a little single jump interrupts your shooting?

[u/saminsocks → u/m4eix]

I tested before I replied but just tested it again. You’re right, single jump doesn’t stop it, but double jump does. I apparently never single jump on my Hunter… :)

It’s still way easier to use acrius, where you don’t have to worry about accidentally interrupting your shots. And I’ve done this encounter multiple times with cutthroat on. It’s whatever in normal, it’s an easy enough boss.

[u/EverythingIzAwful → u/saminsocks]

Oh, you don't know the encounter mechanics. Myb

[u/saminsocks → u/EverythingIzAwful]

Yeah, just sitting here waiting for the last triumphs to become available so I can get the title. But, you’re right. I have no idea what I’m doing and have never raided before.

Edit: bad choice may be extreme. But it’s far from the best choice

[u/EverythingIzAwful → u/saminsocks]

I'm glad that in the last 2 hours you learned something important.

Gz lil bro

[u/saminsocks → u/EverythingIzAwful]

I’ve done a lot in the last 2 hours. I’m a productive individual.

And not a bro.

[u/SloppityMcFloppity → u/thatguyindoom]

I honestly think finality's augur would be better than anarchy. Or tractor.

[u/Uoam → u/QuikAnkou]

Div is great for Wyvern? Especially if you're running anything remotely precision oriented.

[u/QuikAnkou → u/Uoam]

Most DPS at the high end level do not use div for this boss. You either use temporal on the bow, acrius or finality. Yes you can use thunderlord but there is better options out there.

[u/Loud-Bit-5927 → u/QuikAnkou]

Wyvern.

[u/Loud-Bit-5927 → u/Loud-Bit-5927]

Especially if you're trying to use Thunderlord.

[u/SirGarvin → u/Loud-Bit-5927]

Both div and tlord are throwing for that encounter lol

edit: to cure the salt, div bad because it doesn't really work on that guy and crit weapons aren't as good for how long the phase is since they're typically used for super gen. on top of the fact 30% better. tlord bad because at most you get 2 supers on that dps phase with high super gen weapons. its dps numbers aren't high enough to justify it when you can still get 2 supers with better burst options.

[u/QuikAnkou → u/Loud-Bit-5927]

Im sorry man but no one is still using thunderlord on wyvern. Most people in the know is using the bow or acrius for their heavy.

[u/QuikAnkou → u/[deleted]]

Did you not read the acrius part? Did you not realize that a huge amount of team used acrius on contest? Do you not realise that the teams doing 5 feat pre nerf used acrius? So considering you understand very little about contest modes, it's no surprise you don't understand the meta for this fight.

[u/Loud-Bit-5927 → u/QuikAnkou]

And again, read the original post. And the comment being the basis for the original context

Seriously you're just grasping at straws here, nobody cares about what you think is the "right way" when according to PROPER damage testing, you are (rather unsurprisingly) wrong.

[u/QuikAnkou → u/Loud-Bit-5927]

Acrius is a perfectly valid option for dps and it is currently the 2nd best dps heavy slot dps option outside of temporal bow for this specific boss. That's why I mentioned both. You might say I am wrong but my contest kill using acrius would disagree with you.

Also, how can you say it is the wrong way when acrius was the gun of choice for both 5 feat pre nerf and contest?

[u/Loud-Bit-5927 → u/QuikAnkou]

Also, before you start spouting off bullshit, be sure you can back it up. Because I'm almost certain you didn't get a contest clear.

Take your ass back to YouTube and stick it right back up the ass of the next mf that spits out a "This build is meta" video, because it's painfully clear you sure don't have an original or intelligent thought in that sad little head of yours

[u/Caerullean → u/thatguyindoom]

If the crossbow is available it'll be the best option for every encounter. But that's assuming the DPS mechanics don't change, which they might, so speculating that is pointless.

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/Caerullean]

Which is why we are discussing with that in mind? Please read the post :)

[u/RayS0l0 → u/thatguyindoom]

I bet crossbow will be fixed in ash and iron update

[u/CrmsonFangs → u/thatguyindoom]

With how insanely powerful Temporal Blast is I'm fully expecting it to be disabled

[u/lizzywbu → u/thatguyindoom]

Crossbow with vorpal seems to be a good pick

The crossbow was only good because of its interaction with temporal burst. Which is getting a 75% nerf. If you check the Aegis spreadsheet, it's actually pretty average for dps.

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/thatguyindoom]

Either vorpal or the blast mod are bugged making the bow too good. Also, the post said not to include these because they WILL get addressed before the raid

[u/SpiderSlayer690 → u/Altruistic_Care_8255]

Jsyk: Blast mod is working correctly, it inherits combatant scalars and the crossbow has the highest scalar in the game: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b57Hb8m1L3daFfUckQQqvvN6VOpD03KEssvQLMFpC5I/edit?gid=933547097#gid=933547097

Vorpal is bugged, double dipping for a 32% buff (1.1 * 1.2). But it's mostly explosive bolts interacting with Temporal and Temporal being overtuned that makes it so good.

The mod is kinda weird with requirements so it will naturally be a little worse in underlight content, but unless the mod gets nerfed/disabled it will still be insane (even if vorpal fixed, EH/alternative will still cook).

[u/chaoticsynergist → u/SpiderSlayer690]

i think the crossbow will probabbly be disabled for contest tbh

[u/SpiderSlayer690 → u/chaoticsynergist]

Personally I would bet on Temporal Blast being nerfed, even outside of the crossbow it is still a sizeable buff (more than the 17% seasonal mod which is already insane) to Outrageous, The When and Where, Mint Retrograde, etc.

Out of those Mint+heavy will just be another obvious op combo if Temporal is unchanged.

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/SpiderSlayer690]

That’s a good point. I’ll keep my vorpal/explosive bow ready just in case it ain’t horrible, but I wonder how far off it will drop after things get tuned. But good information, I did not know this

[u/Wardine → u/thatguyindoom]

Temporal Blast will be disabled so no reason to use the crossbow

[u/pandacraft → u/Wardine]

It's possible temporal blast wont even exist, the mod says it expires at the end of season 27 and our seasonal challenges and season pass get reset with ash and iron.

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/pandacraft]

No. They get reset with renegades

[u/pandacraft → u/Altruistic_Care_8255]

where do you see that because bungie is using 'season' both ways

[u/t_moneyzz → u/Altruistic_Care_8255]

There is absolutely a new reward pass and season challenge set with ash and iron 

[u/Pirate-Alt]

If the raid is -30 instead of -40, then the bosses are going to fall over and its going to be RoN 2.0. 

Assuming this isnt the case though, I'd probably lean towards Mint + Parasite. Possible switching to Lord once Mint is out of ammo. Personally, Im likely going to be doing grapple damage

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/Pirate-Alt]

Oh yes I forgot about this. Grapple damage is amazing in hunters. I saw a few people mention parasite + mint but haven’t tested myself yet. I would assume that and then lord would be really good dps for any class tbh

[u/Wardine → u/Pirate-Alt]

Won't swapping to T Lord drain all your ammo?

[u/SpiderSlayer690 → u/Wardine]

Depends how stuff is implemented, but they said it was only on swapping ammo types.

So just use a special weapon in energy slot and it shouldn't consume ammo (I could see draining ammo if you swap heavy weapons, but we'll see).

[u/Pirate-Alt → u/Wardine]

I actually meant Lord of Wolves. But you could Tlord Swap and then Lord of Wolves Swap. But yeah, idk if you'd have much Tlord ammo. 

Originally I figured youd just swap to lord of wolves and some random linear and only use the linear a bit on Hobgoblin once he TPs up. You should have a few shots, so it would probably work out

[u/Wardine → u/Pirate-Alt]

We'll have to wait and see how restrictive their new not swap is

[u/Pirate-Alt → u/Wardine]

Everything that I said will work based on the information that they've given us

[u/Byrmaxson → u/Wardine]

the notswap as described in the twid will drain ammo etc IF you swap exotic armor or weapon ammo types. you should not lose ammo so long as your swapped loadout doesn't break the above rules, therefore swapping e.g. only parasite for thunderlord won't cost you ammo.

[u/Physical-Quote-5281]

I could see grand overature being good, baring that though probably just tlord into LoW again

[u/Wardine → u/Physical-Quote-5281]

Grand Overature was banned the first time so I doubt we'll be able to use it

[u/Physical-Quote-5281 → u/Wardine]

That was the regular raid race, completely possible it won’t be barred this time. I also personally think outbreak, barrow and other exotics will be mostly enabled but we’ll see.

[u/SirGarvin → u/Wardine]

They dont have to make the experience awful to drive the narrative this time, so that outbreak and dyad will all be fair game.

[u/SemenShowdown]

Don’t forget to bring a towel!

[u/Freakindon]

Stay tuned for thursday where we'll likely get a slew of bug fixes. I don't think opaque hourglass will continue functioning with temporal blast as it is now.

[u/New_Barnacle_6214]

stay with TLord and LoW until we see what they disable lol

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/New_Barnacle_6214]

Don’t forget acrius for wyvern lol but yeahhh I hope it isn’t identical to the last raid

[u/Packet_Sniffer_ → u/[deleted]]

Doubtful. It works really well in at level or slightly below level content. Most players can barely maintain it at level. At -40, it will be extremely difficult. Most players will simply fall over dead constantly.

[u/Packet_Sniffer_ → u/[deleted]]

They’re CAPABLE of the highest dps in the game. And yet every grapple hunter I ever get in my parties are outdone by myself using Well and Outbreak. Because actually performing is substantially different.

Welcome to facts.

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/[deleted]]

Read the post

[u/JollyMolasses7825 → u/[deleted]]

Doesn’t matter how much dps it has when it’s getting disabled lol

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/JollyMolasses7825]

You understand the post lol

[u/JollyMolasses7825 → u/[deleted]]

Doesn’t mean they won’t disable the crossbow

[u/JollyMolasses7825 → u/[deleted]]

They haven’t said it’s not going to be disabled, if you didn’t want to talk about hypotheticals then you’re in the wrong post

[u/Wardine → u/[deleted]]

Outbreak was banned the first time and probably will be again. Temporal blast will 100% be banned

[u/Wardine → u/[deleted]]

Oh really? Was that in a TWID or a tweet?

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/Wardine]

You understand the post lol

[u/t_moneyzz]

Pretty sure they explicitly have stated that this race was designed around us having access to all seasonal weapons and seasonal mods including temporal blast

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/t_moneyzz]

True but you never know with Bungie. So, I’d rather get opinions on other things in case ya know?

[u/Altruistic_Care_8255 → u/t_moneyzz]

Just re-read the Twabs. It doesn’t say anything about mods? Am I looking in the wrong places? It only mentions tuning in regard to not swap

[u/t_moneyzz → u/Altruistic_Care_8255]

Idk then, just going off memory

[u/Packet_Sniffer_]

Warlock:

Sanguine, triple strand surge. Mint, solar weapon of choice, dragons breath. Good for all bosses except Koregos.

Koregos. New Land Beyond. Solar of choice. Heavy of choice. Exotic of choice but triple kinetic surges. Ammo economy on NLB is good enough that you can stun all canons and still have full ammo for damage.

Edit: why tf is this downvoted? On Koregos I am doing 180,000 damage while Titans are doing 210. We know puddles are getting massively buffed so Sanguine on solar is going to rock. Triple strand surge to use a BNS Mint as your primary damage dealer. With this I have people asking wtf I am using to do such high damage. I am literally Well-bitch and my damage is staying in line with people spamming supers.