The fact that being in front of someone by a literal inch means you're offside is bs tho. There is no significant advantage gained by having your foot 2 inches further than the defender or if your head is further than the defender when the ball is being passed. This isn't a racing sport.
Changing the point of measurement won’t change anything, if the rules change to where a attacker needs to be fully past the defender there will still be 2 inch offside calls that people will complain about.
Regardless, by the current rules this is an objectively correct decision.
But i mean its not that complicated you just gotta be fully behind that defender. Sure you could change the offside rule and make so that only even a little of the attacker's body has to be onside or so that its based on shoulder location and not entire body, but there still will be controversy and people arguing that it should've or shouldn't have been offside.
Why does that matter? Would it make a difference if it was shown after 1 min? 3 min? 5 min? At what point does it matter?
Are you saying they are manipulating the VAR video? If so, that's the most absurd, unreasonable and ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You clearly don't know how this technology works if you think that's even a possibility. If refs are doing this, then why even have refs? Why even play the sport? Why does this sport even exist? Even if you don't understand the tech, at some point you have to just trust that they are acting in good faith, otherwise it's not worth even watching the game anymore.
Are you saying they are manipulating the VAR video?
I am not saying it is happening, but the longer it takes to show the images, the higher the possibility of manipulation.
You clearly don't know how this technology works if you think that's even a possibility.
Do you know how it works? The initial touch and the position of the players are automated, as well as the 3D render wirh the lines. The "semi" part of "Semi Automated Offside Technology" is the confirmation of that initial touch and other variables, like interference in the game, ball dispute, etc. VAR refs can determine that the initial touch is incorrect and have the system select a different one (earlier or posterior), then the system generates a new render. If there are no alterations, the render is available within seconds, and the VOR should send it to the broadcaster.
If someone in the VOR was changing the initial touch multiple times until they got the "right" render, then it would take longer for the image to be available for the live broadcast. Then, seeing a difference of several minutes between a close call and a normal call can raise suspicion.
If refs are doing this, then why even have refs? Why even play the sport? Why does this sport even exist?
The best way to avoid this and suspicions is to have transparency, release the logs that would show these multiple attempts, and release the audios.
Eloquent reply. But come on man. There no way you believe that this type of manipulation is actually happening. "selecting the appropriate last touch that I want so that I can get the render I want to see". Honestly, if you believe this is standard practice, I can't really reason with you. Sure, that's a possibility. Is it probable? No. That would be the end of the refs association for allowing that. Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's probable. Have some common sense and stop believing in conspiracy theories. They're bought, they're corrupt, everyone is against my team and they'll stop it nothing to make sure this call goes a certain way. I can't man, just ridiculous. Can't be reasoned with.
Nobody talks about the pass timing. How does the machine analyse it. During release from foot? Is it accurate? I dont buy this bs system. Its anti football and 2cm of hair being offside is ridiculous. Kills the sport.
Now go search online who is the contractor who runs the VAR in La Liga.
Mediapro was founded by Jaume Roures and managed by Tatxo Benet, two catalans and known Barca socios.
And even if we're meant to believe that Mediapro isn't rigging the offside system, why would you choose a company whose owners clearly support one of the competing clubs, to run such an important tool whose decisions will decide the outcome of the competition?Â
This is the classic conflict of interests that would only happen in La Liga. I'm not surprised. How do thing barca got away with paying Negreira for so long?
If the people behind VAR were madridista Socios there would a public outcry you wouldn't hear the end of it. And you know it.
The thing with these millimeter offsides is that if you pick a frame earlier or a frame later it would change. I accept that their system is so precise it could detect a pimple on the player's nose and say if it's behind the defender. But was that the exact moment the ball left the passing player's foot?
We see a zoomed in 3D version of the attacking player, but the moment they chose to pick as "the moment of the pass" is completely arbitrary.
I just did the line’s myself. The mallorca player was ahead of mbappe when the ball was kicked and before the ball was kicked, but he stepped back and stayed paralyzed for it to be offside WHEN the ball was in air, but since offside is when the ball is kicked toward’s someone, mbappe wasn’t offside.
There was talk from FIFA that whole player needs to be in front of defender for it to be considered offside and I’m here for it. These hairline decisions are ruining the sport
Yeah, and then you're gonna have millimetres of the attacker's heel overlapping with the toe of the defender. There will always be fine margins and people complaining.
I feel like the system now is pretty alright, although I absolutely don't understand why we should involve and judge even players' heads and shoulders in situations when they don't come in contact with the ball at all. I think they should be considered only when the first touch is used with the upper part of the body. Clearly almost anyone who's running behind is gonna have his upper torso leaning forward unless they're from the Ministry of Silly Walks
Yes, and if it was that simple no player would ever be caught offside. Football at the elite level is super fast and players have half of a second to make decisions, specially in these type of plays where there are two teammates trying to perfectly sync for the ball to reach the player at the right moment in the right space.
Yup, anyone who has actually played the game at a high level knows that if you’ve got that pace…no reason you need to be level with the last defender.
Agreed on the perfect run, but I don't know about the second part. Maybe you meant 9/10 he's onside if he times it well, then I'd agree. Just a bit unlucky that he was offside by the finest margins this time.
The run should initiate the pass. If it’s caught offside by that close of a margin it’s timed close to perfection. Off course a deeper run will make it easier to pass in time, but also easier to follow by defenders. It’s a matter of synchronization between both passer and runner. Will probably improve when they internalize each others movements better.
Idkkkkk about this one. Took forever for them to show the graph and not being able to see where ball was during the frame they picked makes it easy to manipulate. With all the controversy on this, seems like an easy fix but they probably won’t.
While watching this, I didn’t think it was offsides. Close sure but not offsides.
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u/Inevitable_Bar3555 9d ago
It only took them 7 minutes to show the graph