r/realmadrid • u/soccer-stats • 9d ago
Post Match Post Match Stats: Real Madrid vs Mallorca
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. 9d ago
Everyone talking about Carreras clearance. Not enough love for that Trent tackle!!
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u/willhighfive4karma Carlo Ancelotti 9d ago
3 games, 9 points before the international break. I am not expecting the season to be perfect but this team can win la Liga and compete really well for the CL!
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u/Sosaonthabeat 9d ago
Carreras with that breath taking save.. without that we’d be taking 1 point today
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u/amiresque Xabi Alonso 9d ago
No comment on the game, other than to say that after three decades of being a fan but watching the team from afar, I got to watch us play at the Bernabeu tonight, and it was one of the best experiences of my life.
This isn't a stadium, it's a cathedral. Incredible atmosphere. I feel elated.
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u/andrewthenikka1 Jude Bellingham 9d ago
Dean hasn’t had a rating below 8 this season so far
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u/SSzaby23 Raúl González Blanco 9d ago
I love how he joins the attacks similarly how Ramos did it in his prime!
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u/123kallem El Capitán 9d ago
I feel like Arda Guler is about to have an insane season, he looks super mature and more of a ''man'' now if that makes sense, i feel he's gonna be like a really huge key in our success this season, i honestly wanna try him at LCM and Jude at AM when he returns because i hope we play a 4-3-1-2.
Also, Carreras has slotted in like it was nothing, this guy is genuinely fucking amazing and im not just saying that bc of the goal line save karate kick, his overall play is so fucking good, he nearly dribbled past like 2-3 players to get through on goal this game lol.
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u/sahibosaurus Modric 9d ago
Scoreline looks underwhelming but we are definitely improving every game. We looked in control throughout this game and created a lot of great chances. Really happy to see Arda's performances so far this season, Xabi's gonna have a real problem on his hands once Jude returns. Going with a perfect record into the international break is good enough for me.
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u/fjtblessed 9d ago
That right side needs to be better. Other than that the scoreline doesn’t reflect the game, we were great, stagnant at times but overall we did great. More work to be done but Solid W.
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u/123kallem El Capitán 9d ago
Mallorca is a team thats been a bit of a struggle for us to win against in the last 2-3 years or so, usually we've ended up winning like 1-0 or even going 1-1 or losing 0-1 to them. So the display today was actually really good, that Arda goal should've 100% counted btw.
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u/Inevitable_Bar3555 9d ago
Bro why does it show 3-1 😂
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u/1storlastbaby Kroos 9d ago
Someone is counting ardas goal lmao
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u/Dry-Impress-7639 9d ago
As they should. That was just criminal denying that. EVEN MALLORCA PLAYERS DIDNT COMPLAIN FFS.
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u/FergieBall_FC Real Madrid 9d ago
I’m not even going to get into what Madrid needs to improve on. The team is good and will steadily get better.
This game had goleada written all over it. 2-1 never, but 4-1 or 5-1. Don’t be fooled by the scoreline.
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u/andrewthenikka1 Jude Bellingham 9d ago
Can’t believe papa Flo almost slept on huijsen
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u/KitchenDeal 9d ago
Just for a second stop and think about how regarded our board is. If it wasn’t for sever media pressure and Huijsen basically twerking to have us buy him, our board 1000% would have passed up on him.
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u/FanoloFandini 9d ago
Thoroughly, thoroughly impressed by Carreras. He is a credible threat moving forward as well, which means Vini will now trust his runs more, and defenders will want to mark him. This is really good news for Vini, who now has options, space and passers! I was not surprised when he scored!
Arda ran the show. Won MVP deservedly.
Mbappe till hasn't figured out his timing when running in behind.
On the right I think trent-brahim combo works better. Alternatively Carvajal-mastantuono. Any other combination makes us look pretty shaky down that side
For 3 straight games, we have looked gassed around the 60 min mark consistently. This worries me a bit, as it is a result of minimal preseason. We'll have most of our squad during the international break. I hope they work on conditioning more than tactics.
I'm not clear on the handball. Other than that, refereeing was immaculate today.
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u/kanfikud 9d ago
3 disallowed goals in 5, and they say vardrid….🤦♂️
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
Imagine the shit we would get if one of these goals where allowed. Tbf all of the 3 decisions were correct.
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u/Aryanxh Kylian Mbappé 9d ago
3rd one was definitely not a handball
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
The rule says: offensive handballs are always handballs. I agree, it’s a shitty rule… but the ref wasn’t wrong.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
But it was not a handball because the hand was on the body, that's where your interpretation is wrong. Plus, VAR didn't have the authority to intervene, since it was not an obvious mistake, it was an ambiguous play that couldn't be interpreted in a definite way, so the initial decision should have stood.
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u/azyrr O Fenômeno 8d ago
You lot are missing what constitutes as a handball. If the hand and arm are stuck with the body (in contrast to them flailing around while running) that is not a handball.
AFTER its determined if its a handball or not the diversion happens between attacking and defending players.
Attackers are penalized even if the hands and arms are in a natural position (swinging when running) while defenders are not.
Defenders are penalized if the hands and arms are not naturally aligned and thus create a larger footprint to stop the ball going through.
That’s the difference.
Arda’s position has his hands on his chest, pretty usual tactic from forwards to make sure they’re not penalized for a handball.
The referee failed with this basic part, the decision was wrong.
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
9 out of 3. Perfect start. Sure, there’s always something to bitch about, but we look decent. Carreras and Dean turn out to be absolute bargains. Vini getting his form back. Arda and Tchoua insane. Fede and Mbappe just being Fede and Mbappe. I mean, come on.
See you guys in 2 weeks!
Hala Madrid 🤍
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u/Secret_keeper7639 9d ago
Looked sloppy in the second half but a lot better than what we witnessed last season.Still a lot of work to do. Not yet sure we can produce the same results against bigger clubs.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
Is there any footage of the possible penalty on Mastantuono? They didn't show a replay.
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u/JohnysCY Real Madrid 9d ago
Very good performance from the ref...he really tried without fear, i give him that! He is going to be entrusted again in the future...against us!
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u/beardedentity Jose Mourinho:JM: 9d ago
The worst part about tonight's game is that we have to wait two weeks before we can watch the team in action again.
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u/Himuraesq 9d ago
Arda MOTM. 1 assist wasted with offside, 1 goal disallowed in a way that makes no sense, and scored the equalizer when it was needed.
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u/IvicaVeliki Modric 9d ago
Arda needed to say Come on you Irons when he positioned his arms like that and it would've been a goal. Or Wakanda forever - one of those, and the goal would've counted, I guess.
But 3 points at the end is what matters most
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u/Sick-Liaison-99 Real Madrid 9d ago
If we somehow win La Liga with the shit refereeing that will likely keep coming out in the future, then we truly have the best team in the world. Even if we only win by a single point.
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u/Icy_Satisfaction498 Cristiano Ronaldo 9d ago
Mbappé should be allowed to have stinkers (his stinkers are 2 goals disallowed by centimeters, imagine) and the team being able to answer and win the match, thing that didn't happen last year, that if mbappé wasn't able to win it we would just lose, getting hope!.
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u/Drender :T_T: Madridista 9d ago
I dont think thats what bothers people, its his passiveness and individuality on that second half.
He either takes 30secs more than he should with the ball, trying god knows what only to lose it.
Or he tries to enter the goal dribbling the ball, instead of passing or shooting.
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u/LeResist El Capitán 9d ago
I'm sorry this is such a double standard. Mbappe is allowed to have stinkers but had it been any other player they would be receiving hate from "fans". Insane
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u/mirceafl Valverde 8d ago
My takeaways:
Vini looks more and more like the player he was in 2024. Yet, he has to start combining with Carreras more. Alvaro puts himself in dangerous positions next to him, but Vini decides to try and take on two, three defenders by himself.
Mbappe is unstoppable right now. He was unlucky with the offsides, but he is in his best form. Shoutout to Trent for the passes he provided.
We saw a team that sits deeper and plays a fast counter. With Trent, Arda and Dean finding Vini and Kylian. Switching from one tactic to the other might be the key against low blocks.
In the last 20 minutes our defense was chaotic. Much like last year. Mallorca were a bigger threat than Oviedo and Osasuna and our players got exposed. They have to gel that fast transitioning when we play a high defensive line.
Fede is still shy in this season. He plays a deeper role and sees less of the ball than before, but still, you don't see him making the impact we know he can
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u/funkyND Arda Güler 9d ago
The main issue with this team is: Vini, Mbappe and Brahim waste the balls by not seeing their teammates who are in a very comfortable shooting position. Xabi needs to do something with this problem.
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u/LowCorgi9289 9d ago
I agree but I also see they are getting better. They still play selfish but less each week
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u/Designer-Mobile-974 9d ago
Mbappe needs to work on his offside timing but other then that I’m not worried about him. Vini being back and dangerous has just about made our team elite again , especially with how great Trent, dean, miliato and Carreras looked in the back line. Güler is special man. That is all
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u/Sad-Cup3850 Real Madrid 9d ago
It depends, Xabi subbed Vinícius off way too early in my opinion, I didn't like it at all, mainly because it was a game where he was doing well and had space to counterattack and Vini, well, we know since 2021 that he only needs one move to create a goal, among Xabi's untouchables players, Vinicius doesn't seem to be among them, crazy
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u/Designer-Mobile-974 9d ago
I was ok with subbing vini because I knew the game was going to slow down and become a defensive struggle. Rodrygo can come in and drop back to help ease that pressure. As for if he’s a Xabi untouchable, the reality is it doesn’t matter if our coach sees him as that or not. Vini is too special to not start.
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u/LeResist El Capitán 9d ago
This has been an issue for him since he signed for Madrid. I'll never forget that el clasico where he was offside like 10 times
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u/Designer-Mobile-974 9d ago
Yes but other then the offsides he’s actually gotten much better playing as a 9
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u/Atrociti9320 9d ago
What I see a lot which blows my mind is how often our offensive players drag defenders towards the ball instead of giving space and options to the attacker of the ball. I mean its insane how often that happens.
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u/rubensedu16 9d ago
Carreras was the best player of the game. The 4-3-3 formation continues to be a hindrance in these matches when the opponent is closed. And Xabi was very conservative with his changes, but at least we didn't suffer much after Ceballos came on.
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u/YakHappy8418 8d ago
Arda Guer under Xabi Alonso:
• 9 games
• 8 starts
• 2 goals
• 3 assists
*He will be better when all players adapt to this sytem. We definitely need his creativity and magic click passing to Mbappe or Vini(Especially Mbappe). If no more goals disallowed, I am expecting Mbappe breaking goal record and Guler Assist record in Real Madrid history together... I really dont know how many Barca goals disallowed? But hard to understand referees....
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u/PeterTheSmoker Madrid 1902 8d ago
You're expecting a Guler assist record? Brother, Ozil had 29 that's the record while having prime CR7 and Ramos for corners and all headers.It's highly unlikely Guler finishes the season with a record similar or even above 29 assists.
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u/Marcelosouzadearaujo 8d ago
Common, even the most optimistic wouldn’t think that Guler would get the assist record in Real this season.
He would need to beat Ozil for 29 assists and that ain’t happening
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u/Adventurous_Rush8270 9d ago
Well deserved, cagey win. Should have had more, but 3 points is all that matters.
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u/marvelfanhere 9d ago
I’m happy we won but we’re still not super convincing. I just want to see a game where we score 5-6 goals once in a while.
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u/Xtarviust Modric 9d ago
Some things never change, buttclenching is on the menu again
That match shouldn't have been that hard, but I think Xabi will need to work on breaking those ultra defensive teams and the focus on defense, many misplaced passes and players gifting spaces after losing the ball
At least Franco is growing in his confidence and Arda keeps playing pretty well, I like Xabi ideas, but I think the boys need to adjust fully to his tactics, when it happens Madrid will be a beast
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u/DiscountNo8806 8d ago
Still sloppy sometimes, but this years team is 1000 times better than last year. Last year l did not watch football from this team, individual efforts, zero creativity and 16 ,17 year old Barca kids dominated us.. Even in La Liga game 3, Alonso had more effect than Last year's Carlo. Last year it was just a ignominy..
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u/123kallem El Capitán 9d ago
I know he didn't score, but Mbappe had a really really good game, only thing that i really dont like about him is that he has a really good left foot but he's afraid to use it. Like 2-3 times this game he could've just gone for a left foot strike but he tries to turn it on his right foot when most of the time he'd score on his left anyway.
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u/FergieBall_FC Real Madrid 9d ago
Also, regarding Mbappé’s timing on offsides, I’m not even worried about it.
He’s far more improved in that area than last season. Tonight’s game didn’t fool me one bit.
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u/SoftClub7159 Benzema 9d ago
We had a good reaction after the 0-1. But we shut down after Güler's goal was cancelled in the second half, and lost control of the game. I don't think we need to overanalyze it though. Let Xabi and his staff do that. 9 pts out of 3 matches is the best possible start you can have. 1 goal conceded, 6 goals scored. Solid, not stellar per se. Heading into the break now and we'll see how we start after that.
Carreras is sublime. He's the biggest upgrade this season. He adds so much football on the left it feels like we've unlocked something new there.
The depth on the right (Trent/Carvajal) is stellar. Subbing on Carvajal feels like a cheat code.
Huijsen today had a good assist, but I felt like he was less than in the other matches. He was clumsy with giving away the last corner too, and if anyone noticed it: Ceballos had to literally take the ball from him before he would take a free kick quickly, while we were up 2-1 in the >90th minute. He needs to mature a bit and realize he needs to slow down there. Some misplaced passes, a weird back heel move towards the end too. He wasn't bad though. Militao also gave away a pretty big chance quite unnecessarily. I think we'll see good rotation in the CB department.
If we want to play a pressing game, Valverde plays 24/7. He doesn't get enough merit for the work he does imo. The man is our engine even in the 80th minute. Güler got better as the game went on, nothing to note on Tchou.
Vinicius was good. Mbappé was unlucky in the first half, bad in the second. Gonzalo should've come on sooner.
I like Franco. He's still raw though, but good action before the corner of the first goal. Good action on Güler's cancelled goal. Just needs to work on the standard things (misplaced passes, rough touches). If we want to use the width though, we need a fullback that overlaps, otherwise we have no width on the right with Franco and Trent. So I wouldn't really go with them together.
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u/scarb_123 Real Madrid 9d ago
Carreras was so good. Militao was solid too. Huijsen had a subpar game by his standards.
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u/futuresverse Cristiano Ronaldo 9d ago
Was only able to watch the second half but Carreras what a man you are
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u/Choice-Ground-6699 Kaka 9d ago
Still pissed of with this ref. This mf fucked the entire momentum of the game with that braindead decision.
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u/BodomDeth Madrid 1941 9d ago
Great game. We had 3 disallowed goals which means that our creativity is on point. Something we were lacking last season. We will learn to score these chances, no doubt.
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u/Due_Inevitable_2784 9d ago edited 9d ago
Don’t mean to be a buzzkill here but alot of our chances still seem lukewarm and i am yet to see us seem threatening in the final third of the pitch. And this is something that has been bothering me since day 1.
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u/SolidApprehensive844 Sergio Ramos 9d ago
We do nothing inside the fucking box there's no presence , the xabi's system has told players to shoot from outside the box so much more. We need a proper striker inside the box , I think we are missing jude.
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u/hijazist Real Madrid 9d ago
Why do some people insist on hating on Arda? He’s going to have bad matches in the future, everyone does, but is that a reason to write him completely off?
Why can’t people show support to him like they do to others players? He obviously has the talent and passion for this club, and he waited so long for this chance without making a big fuss about it under Carlo. Can’t people at least give him a season to prove himself?
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
And in a game when he started a little off, he ended up being top 3 in our team.
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u/hijazist Real Madrid 9d ago
Somehow and for some reason the bar has to be super high for him to even be acceptable.
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u/AgeKay93 9d ago
Even if he did, he literally picked it up during the game. Some people are just praying on his downfall lol.
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u/_skala_ 9d ago
He is fine, it's just Turkish fanboys hyped him for 2 years when he was clearly not ready. Now it's his chance after Modric was not renewed, it seems like Madrid is betting season on 20y old kid. Hope for the best for him. He showed he can do it in possession heavy games in La Liga; real test will be tougher opponents in CL and Barca. Hopefully he can do it, Ceballos couldn't, that's why Modic played all of them last year.
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u/hijazist Real Madrid 9d ago
We don’t know if he was ready. He simply didn’t get his chance at all.
“Betting the season on a 20 year old kid”. 20 is not a kid. Huijsen is leading our defense at 20 lol
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u/123kallem El Capitán 9d ago
Huh? Who tf is hating on Arda right now? The only thing i remember about people hating him was like last season and the year before that because turkish people on social media literally spammed the fuck out of the pages by saying Arda needs to start every game lol
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u/hijazist Real Madrid 9d ago
Are you kidding me? Go back and read the comments the first 30 minutes. They’re quiet now after the game
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u/123kallem El Capitán 9d ago
Ohh my bad, i dont read match thread comments at all, way too reactionary bullshit in there lol.
A fun thing to do is to go back like a couple of years and look at match threads, half the comments in 2019 wanted us to sell Kroos and now everyone is begging him to come out of retirement.
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u/Dencat2020 Raúl 9d ago
1 of those weird games where the sum of the part was greater than it's components.
For that save alone Carreras was the man of the match. I will be very impressed if I see a better goal line save this season or next. To be fair he was excellent throughout.
They pressed well, tried to pass the ball quicker even though they still have players that hand on to the ball for a tad longer than necessary.
This was Huijsen's least impressive performance so far this season but he was still good. A lot of players like Mastantuono and Valverde were better off the ball than they were on it.
Alonso has done very well in a short space of time to get them to work harder off the ball.
Not impressed with how they conceded the goal. Mallorca have 1 obvious danger from corner kicks and he is allowed to have a free run on the ball. I have no idea what Tchoaumeni, Huijsen and Militao were doing, That guy was the obvious danger, forget the rest and concentrate on him.
Kinda disappointed to read some people blaming Mbappe for being offside. Just like the first classico last season and the pass from Trent, nothing can convince me that he was offside but VAR has to always get involved in things they shouldn't.
How is you drawing lines and doing all sorts of geometry stuff equate to clear and obvious error? As for the second offside Guler should have passed the ball earlier instead of taking an extra touch.
I saw practically all RM games last season and I gotta say I was disgusted in their performances in close to 90% of the games but these 3 games that I have watched, I have not been wowed but they are so much better.
I will be very surprised if Mastantuono starts the next game but I hope he gets better as I really do not want to see Brahim in the 1st team.
If they ever do a reboot of popeye they should cast this referee as olive oyl as he looks like Shelly Duvall.
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u/_skala_ 9d ago
There needs to be games vs better opponents to see if there is any big difference compare to last year. For now it’s not impressive.
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u/IByAtSamsClub 9d ago
This is impressive lol. Last year same game would be 50-50 possession with them having more xG than us. We’re more in control this year and it’s showing. Plus we’re pressing so much better.
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u/calledmemadman 9d ago
Guys how did our new signing franco play?
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u/Kuttoosan47 Kroos 9d ago
Franco is still not good enough for the starting XI imo but Xabi sees something in him. Maybe he notices slight improvements each game. The experience is also very important for Franco as these are his first games in Europe
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u/TokenGreyWolf 8d ago
The thing is, Xabi is looking forward. He knows the best way to get the youngsters developed and into the game is play time. Had Xabi been at madrid 2 seasons ago when Arda joined, probably last season arda would be performing at a higher level then he does today.
In that sense Xabi seems like the opposite to carlo, he wants to develop youngsters as quickly as possible and the best way to do that is to get them as much game time as possible. None of this "he rides the bench well" nonsense.
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u/YakHappy8418 8d ago
He is very young, so I dont really want to say negative things about a very young player just only 18 years old. He needs time to adapt, he is not good enough to start for World's greatest team. But I liked his chemistry with Guler and Huijsen... He is a clever player, just needs to adapt to La Liga. He is raw but he will be great...
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u/DoriOli Fernando Redondo 8d ago
Not only is he young.. but he needs to adapt to European football, new Elite level team, etc. It all takes time. But imo he’s already been showing the right character and mindset, which at this stage is the most important. We all already know he can play ball and he’s even already shown glimpses of it in these past 2-3 games with us
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u/YOSHI-HASHI 8d ago
made a ton of mistakes and lost at least 6-7 balls. he needs to learn from the bench for few months
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u/AdEcstatic4196 9d ago
I enjoyed Rodrygo’s sharpness today—very explosive, his physical level looked the best it has in a while. I just wish he’d be more demanding and puff his chest out more; he’ll need that extra edge if he wants to lock down a starting spot on the left. Without that decisiveness, I don’t really see it happening. Still, I loved that we could make subs three-quarters into the game and still bring on real quality, our depth should be huge for the rest of the season.
I also enjoyed Mastantuono on the right. He’s so raw and inexperienced, which showed with plenty of errors, but he consistently finds good positions and I love his tenacity. He had one magical moment that led to a goal (disallowed), and a couple of other nice link-ups in dangerous areas, though he lacked the final touch to really threaten. That will come with time, he’s young, and I hope he keeps getting chances (within reason).
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u/therealfakenews17 Asensio 9d ago
I can understand Rodry’s frustration. He was wide open for a chance at the end when Mbappe decided to take it on himself. I get Mbappe is ultimately fighting for pichichi but Rodry who’s fighting for a place in the XI must be frustrated
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u/Ok-Diver-9356 8d ago
The season is long, he must just be consistent with the minutes Xabi is giving him now then he'll gradually start making an impact.
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u/FenrirMyth Decimocuarta 9d ago
A hard fought win not against mallorca, but against this bum referee, the denied arda goal sums it up how once again hard its gonna be in this league to win it
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u/Locklist Florentino Perez 9d ago edited 9d ago
Arda Guler Liga Man of the Match
Edit: Lol at the downvotes. He literally won it.
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u/TanCressida666 Valverde 9d ago
Mbappe is the best player in the world. Needs to fix his timing though.
But man… what a player.
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u/edenhzr7 Xabi Alonso 9d ago
He is electric man , really unlucky tonight with centimeter offsides especially the first goal was a bullshit offside
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
Unpopular opinion: ref wasn’t that bad, it’s just the rules that suck. The offensive hands rule, and that stupid offside rule. Mbappe didn’t have any advantage with his forhead being 1 cm in front of his opponent. Smh.
I would like to see the offside rule being changed to exactly the opposite of what it is right now. If you are on the same line as you’re opponent, even if it’s just with your backheel, it should be onside.
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u/Weary-Chipmunk7518 9d ago
I don't know about the handball, ricochet from sliced clearance one yard away, Arda makes every effort to hug his arms to his body, bounces off two players randomly before falling to Arda... I have a hard time agreeing that the goal is scored "immediately" after touching the arm.
I thought Tchouameni's tackle last week was a clear foul, so it evens out
My main problem with refereeing so far for me is inconsistency, like that handball gets the rulebook thrown at it, but Rüdiger gets preposterously judo-d to the ground in the box last week and it doesn't merit review because "it happens in every corner" or some such. Either we're liberal or we're strict, but people get frustrated when refs switch between one and the other multiple times per game
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u/SolidApprehensive844 Sergio Ramos 9d ago
Ref didn't award like two/three clear corners to us , didn't award one yellow card on a foul on carreras while he was on transition. Gave most decisions in mallorca's favour. He wasn't bad he was dogshit.
Also offensive handball rule includes if the player scores by his hands. What else was arda supposed to do in that situation
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
I agree on the Arda argument. I don’t like the rule either. The rest is bullshit. Sure he missed some corners (which where crazy hard te see), but we’re all humans. Please keep the VAR away from those decisions (corners, throw-ins etc..).
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u/_skala_ 9d ago
Only questionable was Guler hand, but after seeing it from different angles it was still good call. These complains about referees get tiering.
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
He really was decent, but i get it. 3 disallowed goals doesn’t look good.
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u/Pantherblanco88 9d ago
outside of the last 15 minutes of the first half that game wasn't great ngl
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u/valond95 9d ago
Yeah pretty disappointing honestly. Also, Ceballos has got to be the most bland, boring player we have had in the last 15 years. Cant run, cant defend, cant shoot? What is the point of giving him any game time, its absurd.
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u/Adventurous_Rush8270 9d ago
Mods check the score lol 2-1 not 3-1 (even though it should have been about 5-1).
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u/Tolquito 9d ago
Man there are 10 more players in the team, but no one is being talked as much as Guler.. as positive, as well as negative.. you know, he was close today to be executed with the game he played first 20 min. Like many fans were waiting for this for months.. Even Barca fans are talking about him all the time.. Either he is too good or too bad, otherwise that much attention is crazy.. 😆 Well, we need to see the team playing without him few times to finally decide if he is overrated or not obviously..
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u/New_Appearance_2857 9d ago edited 9d ago
Arda isn't a particularly good or terrible player, but he's a very difficult player for managers, especially if Mbabbe is in the team. IMO, a team with Mbabbe and Arda can't play in a 4-3-3 formation, especially against strong teams.
Because Mbabbe doesn't "hard press" up front, Arda is forced to run a lot in a 4-3-3 formation, and his tempo slows down after the 65th minute. Then because Arda makes the crucial passes, entire RM team loses momentum precisely because of him.
I think there are two solutions to this problem. Either create a crowded midfield with a 3-5-2 formation after Jude arrives, or find a second midfielder (like Tony Kross) who's as good a passer as Arda, so he can fill in for him when he's substituted. Clearly, that player isn't Ceballos. But I think Dean could be the one. But in that case, RM team's need a very reliable left CB.
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u/kirchoff1998 9d ago
or just play with a Box 4-4-2 with Jude/Arda as inverted midfielders and Vini/Mbappe upfront similar to 23/24 with Vini/Rodrygo
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u/Lakerman0824 Tchouaméni 9d ago
Arda had 2 goals and gave 2-3 assists on a platter for Mbappe only for him to leave to soon or miss
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u/FenrirMyth Decimocuarta 9d ago
damn wheres asencio, third game and not even a minute played, gotta feel sorry for him
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
Mili in this form should always play. And well, Dean already is irreplaceable.
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u/ChedduhBob Marcelo 9d ago
don’t commit stupid errors for multiple matches and you will have xabi’s trust
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u/LeResist El Capitán 9d ago
Based on his performance at the CWC he's been benched. And it makes sense. He was by far our worst player during that tournament and made numerous careless mistakes. Xabi is likely building his team on what he's seen personally and not what people have done last season
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u/Objective_Good_3984 6d ago
En caso de que alguien quiera un análisis profundo del partido y no quedarse en lo superficial, ¡aquí hay uno muy preciso!
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u/Short_Mousse_6812 9d ago
All the goals were disallowed correctly I take back from what I said towards the ref.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
Not at all. Why was Guler's? Why did it take then more than 10 minutes to show the lines for the first one?
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u/Short_Mousse_6812 9d ago
It was fair from the rule perspective. When a player is on attack and there is a handball (doesn’t matter where) then if that same attacker scores a goal then it is not valid. So right after a hand on attack it has to be invalid if that same attacker scores. For the line, they have shown to be bad with the lines. But we can’t really know, from what they showed Mbappe was offside. I am not saying I agree with it, but technically from the rule standpoint it is well done.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
When a player is on attack and there is a handball (doesn’t matter where)
This is not true. It does matter where. If the hand is completely on the players body (not separate) it is not a handball, not even with that rule. I see a lot of confusion about that.
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u/Short_Mousse_6812 8d ago
If the hand is on a players body it only matters on defense. A hand on attack and on defense is seen as different. It wouldn’t be a handball if the one to score was someone else and not guler. Guler scored right after which is why it was invalid. I am getting downvoted but I am just stating the rule. I don’t agree with the fucking rule I am just trying to say why they invalidated it.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 8d ago
You are mixing up three different rules/scenarios:
- General handball rule
- Involuntary handball by the defender in the box
- Involuntary handball by the goalscorer during a continuous play
To determine if 2 or 3 are to be penalized as handball, first they have to determine that it was, in fact, a handball.
For it to be a handball, the hand must be separate from the body, then the rest is analyzed. If the hand is completely on the body (think of crossing your hands or putting them completely on your butt), then it is not a handball. In that case, the play shouldn't even been considered for scenarios 2 and 3. This is where Arda's call should have stopped.
Then, you have scenarios 2 and 3. These are for situations where the hand is separate from the body (the general rule 1 determined that it was a handball), but it was in a natural position and the ball hit the hand involuntarily (this is not the case in Arda's play). This same situation is different for defenders and goal scorers.
Under scenario 2 (defender in the box), it is not penalized, so there is no penalty kick.
Under scenario 3 (goal scorer in continuous play), it is penalized, so the goal doesn't count. Again, this is not Arda's play, it should have never gotten to this point of consideration. And the worst part is that, even if it was to be evaluated (again, a mistake), it is not a continuous play. The "habdball" play didn't end up in a goal, the keeper stops it, so a new play starts.
On top of that, even if it had been reviewed (by mistake) and considered as a continuous play (second mistake), then VAR "may assist the referee only in the event of a ‘clear and obvious error’", and "The original decision given by the referee will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a ‘clear and obvious error’."
So this was a BS call because: 1. It was never a handball 2. If it was, it was not a continuous play 3. If it was, it was not a clear and obvious error (they had to go through multiple videos, angles, and frozen frames), so VAR had no authority to intervene
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u/Short_Mousse_6812 8d ago
Yeah I understand what you are saying and thank you for breaking all down. The problem with the rules is that they are subjective. Or at least that is how referees see it. The ref saw both bad sides. He believed that Guler’s play was a handball, and he also believed that it was continuous play. The problem is that rules are often subjective to the ref which they shouldn’t be. Don’t quote me on this, but I heard some news page say that the ref argued that Guler putting his hands on his chest helped get the rebound. It’s BS, but they argue they are right. My point is that even though I think it’s utter bs, they can claim they are technically just following the rules.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 8d ago
The problem with the rules is that they are subjective
Yes! 100% this. And when it is subjective like this, the VAR has no authority. This is from the IFAB guidelines:
The original decision given by the referee will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a ‘clear and obvious error’.
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u/MIMI_ALK 9d ago
When madrid score why every single second have to reviewed by VAR but when opponent score is an instant goal without review or anything, im tired of the corrupt liga every single game is the same bs.
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u/kirchoff1998 9d ago
This community is weird, people give footballing opinion and just because it is not aligned with the group think, they get downvoted or even called names, it’s weird why can’t the feedback be a counter footballing opinion if you strongly believe in your position?
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u/New_Appearance_2857 9d ago
The team loses momentum around the 60th minute. If this doesn't improve after Jude joins the team and they start playing a 3-5-2 formation, I'll start to get really worried.
I suspect the loss of tempo after the 60th minute is also due to Arda. For some reason, when Arda's playing poorly or his tempo drops, the entire team seems to be playing very poorly.
Jude's addition will be crucial for Arda to maintain his tempo. Neither Franco, nor Brahim, nor Rodrygo can bring the same pace to the team that Jude brings. Jude is a very special player.
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u/sex_drugs_and_sauron 8d ago
I think the reason Arda's decline after 60th minute is he tries to press in Mbappe's stead as well. Covering for 2 is tiring.
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u/YatoGami28 9d ago
No way that vini is mpv. Carreras, Huijsens and Arda would be a better pick
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u/DiscountNo8806 9d ago
Arda officially chosen La Liga Player of the Match
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u/YatoGami28 9d ago
Yeahh just saw it, think Carreras would also be a great pick. Played a great game
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u/scarb_123 Real Madrid 9d ago
Huijsen? He was bad today bro outside of the assist
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u/rubensedu16 9d ago
I thought Huijsen did relatively well. Militão was the one who had problems; the play in which Carreras saved the goal was a mistake by the Brazilian player.
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u/Solid-Wind-5038 9d ago
The play saved by Arnold was Huijsen mistake though. He was consistent in the first half, but in the second one he was a little sloppy.
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u/YatoGami28 9d ago
Had still some great clearances and important assist. But i agree that Carreras and Arda would be a better pick.
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u/lmfaowhocareashaHAA 9d ago edited 9d ago
Vini should have passed to Valverde in the position he scored in.
He had a like a 7% chance of scoring that (according to the AI shit), and he got lucky.
If he failed it, like he most likely would've, we'd be talking about how Vini wasted positions by not passing to Valverde, Arda, etc., and that's why we lost
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u/LeResist El Capitán 9d ago
Wow. Vini scores. Secures us the win but still there's criticism. This man truly can't win. He scores and it's still a problem for some fans. Honestly don't know what will satisfy people like you
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u/vil727 Zizou 9d ago
That's why quality players matter. If Vini can consistently score on 0.07 xg positions then I'm fine with him taking the hard shots but if he can't then he should pass. Today he showed his class and I'm happy with that
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u/Kuttoosan47 Kroos 9d ago
If he consistently scores from these situations, alls well
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u/mytosysticfibrosis 8d ago
That’s what differentiates normal average joes and world class players. World class players seizes the smallest chances.
If AI had been around Messi’s crazy dribbling or Ronaldo’s insane 2m jump, the probability would’ve been way lower than 7% and wouldn’t have happened if you were coaching.
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u/redfournine 9d ago
Dude, I dont even like Vini that much but my only criticism of him in that situation was that he didnt strike cleanly (his left foot is still very meh)... but otherwise that was okay-ish
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u/haytem_blk 9d ago
That midfield against big teams will end up with a disaster.. we need ceballos or pitarch or angel we cant play with tchouameni and valverde together one of them has to go to the bench otherwise we wont win shit I know i will get massive downvotes but this the truth people dont wanna hear we need a CONTROLLER!! ASAP!! Or psg game will repeat again against one of Liverpool/barça
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u/Upset-Difficulty5836 :eyebrow: 9d ago
Need Pitarch to anchor our midfield against big teams? Get real. That’s an 18 year old with zero first team experience. God the people on this sub are stupid.
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u/Tiny_Application4849 9d ago
Haha fr.
Let’s start Thiago against Liverpool and Barcelona. Based on a couple of good training sessions during pre season. Great idea!
Please, give Xabi some time. I’m sure if he likes Thiago, he would use him this season.
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u/abrar_tanbir Real Madrid 9d ago
Let's wait for Bellingham. I want to see how Xabi integrates him with the side.
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u/TutsTots 9d ago
Agree. And guess what, people still downvoted, a bunch of kids who know nothing about football, an easy win doesn't mask our shortcomings you kids, think further!! That midfield is still not settled.
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u/CommunityPrize8110 Mesut Özil 9d ago
I don’t care what anyone says. We have absolutely not improved. As a matter of fact, with Carlo, with a full injury free squad, we were much better.
I have only seen us play good 1 time under Xabi and that was when he tested his original formation that he used in Leverkusen.
We are literally struggling against every single team. We simply fail to dominate. It’s always close to drawing or loosing. What an embarrassment. But let’s stick our heads in sand and praise the team.
If we play like this, we will get trashed against a better team.
Every damn attack there is no one in the box. Every single time. And then when winger starts pushing towards the box, we have 1 player there vs 5 opposition players.
Only thing I’m glad of is seeing some players play very well. Guler like always amazing. Carreras also very good.
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
Maybe you don't understand how football works?
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u/kirchoff1998 9d ago
or maybe they are just reviewing the game and giving an opinion , just because the opinion does not go with yours does not mean they don’t understand the game. They have a nuanced take on the game instead of you to provide a counter footballing argument you engaged in calling names?
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u/blueXwho Fernando Redondo 9d ago
Nuanced? He's just trashing the team with no real argument. The only semi-rational point he made was about not having a man in the box during the attacks, but that still doesn't hold because we have had plenty of attacks with 2, 3, or even 4 players in the box. He's saying we don't dominate the games, which is clearly the opposite of reality. There is no point in presenting arguments to a doomer like that.
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u/kirchoff1998 9d ago
Cook brother, I don’t know what to make of Xabi Ball yet
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u/ImBibjs Mariano 9d ago
Watches 2-3 official games of a new manager "we haven't changed". Lads relax and give it time, for fuck sakes
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u/kirchoff1998 9d ago
or observations can no longer be made, and follow whatever they are telling us?
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u/calledmemadman 9d ago
Yeah need more games.. Also need to see how they perform against better teams.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness5062 9d ago
I was at the stadium, couple thoughts:
Overall boring match, very slow transitions the few times we had them. The only fast one ended up on Vinis goal.
Team pressure is not there. Some players act as they intent to press: Vini, Trent are the most visible ones. Many dont track back.
Mbappe form is unquestionable.
Get rid of the guy yelling with the speaker Corruption in the Federation, refereeing was actually decent.
Trent is a very careless player, he is not out of form. Dani will take his place 10000%.
Overall extremely boring, not worth 170€. Not only due the system we play but because la liga sucks.
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