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u/laz0rcats Minnesota || Ultrafear FK 155 2d ago
The GOOD news is you have the commitment to actually riding onto the features instead of chickening out and riding off the lip. The BAD news is your weight is wayyyy too far back, so you just slip out on everything.
Highly recommend a lesson or two. The will is clearly there, but the fundamentals need some work. This is my 22nd season on snow and I still take lessons.
Also, when you're spraying your buddies, do it a few feet away on either side. This way you have a safer escape route AND you can get a wider setup carve, more speed, and (most importantly) throw more snow at them.
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u/spicy-deluxe 2d ago
Wow 22 seasons that’s incredible! I’m moving onto my 2nd official season this upcoming winter, I’ll definitely take a park lesson. I credit my quick progress to my sends for sure. The friends I ride with have been riding for 4-5 seasons with no park because they’re scared to try it but I’ve been inspiring them lol
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u/Minimum-Station-1202 2d ago
I’ve also been riding for 22 seasons and I’m also scared of park haha. 60-70mph downhill is no probablamo tho.
Have fun OP and always wear a helmet!!
Edit: also replace your helmet after big hits, they’re really only designed to save your life once :)
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u/-endjamin- 2d ago
It’s all fun and games with the wild sends until you break something. I still dabble in park but with much less zest than before I broke my wrist. Going fast is enough for me these days. The good park riders are the folks who are committed enough to keep going despite their injuries.
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u/MnkyBzns 2d ago
Fellow aging speedster, checking in (28 seasons).
I'll do a couple of laps in the park once all of the corduroy is tracked out, but it's full zoom in the morning.
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u/ThatGuyWithCoolHair Too Many Boards/Trollhaugen 1d ago
I too have been riding for 22 seasons but thats because I started when I was 4 years old lol everyone has their own journey and never compare yourself to others :) I've quite literally done it for about as long as I could walk
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u/spicy-deluxe 1d ago
I wish my parents put me on a board at 4 yo 😭 you must be sponsored by red bull now huh
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u/ReadingReaddit 2d ago
No diss against your current friends but find better friends to ride with.
What I mean is almost every huge jump I went off, every kicker I hit across the road, every 10-ft surf day, and almost every powder morning I experienced with people that were better surfers and riders than me. Because of that, I was able to advance my skills in a much shorter period.
So find more skilled people to ride with and you will get much better
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u/fake_plastic_peace 2d ago
The way your hands always reach to brace scares my scarred formerly broken wrists
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u/shinyswordman 2d ago
People need to learn to ride before hitting park features, but I don’t think anyone cares about my opinion.
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u/spicy-deluxe 2d ago
Please tell me how I’m supposed to learn park without attempting to hit park? I fell about 20 times before finally getting a board slide down but if there’s a way I can do it without a tube can you explain
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u/LolThatsNotTrue 2d ago
Theyre saying you should be able to ride your board before hitting these features. Some rudimentary edge control will prevent you from slamming repeatedly into rails. But you do you 🤷♂️
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u/spicy-deluxe 2d ago
What makes you think I can’t control both edges of my board lol toes and heels can’t be applied to rails the same way it can on the snow it’s distribution of body weight - which I’ve learned by repeated slams <3
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u/natefrogg1 Angeles Crest Forest 2d ago edited 2d ago
We see a lot of people hit the park at our so cal areas that don’t have much control riding down the runs, a lot of skate influence it seems to me, hitting rails and jumps but can’t make it down Vertigo cleanly (vertigo is a ski run at mt high, it is steep and gets hella iced up). Park is neat, but I feel like learning to fully ride the mountain should be the priority, different strokes for different folks though
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u/spambearpig 2d ago
For me, there were several details, but mostly it was the way that you slipped over on your ass and took out the cameraman.
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u/binarypie 2d ago
It's obvious from these clips you don't have good edge control. I would work on those fundamentals and you'll stop slamming yourself into the ground every time you try a park feature.
Also I would recommend going to the beginner progress park where the features might seem kind of small but they are much easier to learn on.
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u/caesar_rex 2d ago
I dont think any of these falls were due to edge control at all. They ALL looked to me like she was a tiny bit scared and leaning back over the tail, like all new people do on features. I bet once she leaned onto the nose for more balance/control, she did fine.
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u/spicy-deluxe 2d ago
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u/natefrogg1 Angeles Crest Forest 2d ago
You are way in the back seat, letting the board pull you and adjusting with sliding, it will benefit to stomp the front and control the board from the edge under the front foot
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u/binarypie 2d ago
I have doubts on the timeline but this clip looks a lot better than the others.
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u/spicy-deluxe 2d ago
I promise you it is the same day lol. I’m not as bad as all of these slams, I have a lot of videos of me landing as well. I haven’t been riding long and I know you guys are all countless seasons ahead of me so I could use any tips/pointers you guys can provide
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u/snowthrowaway42069 2d ago
Most of reddit is awful riders, don't take advice from anyone without their own footage on display. Anybody measuring their experience in seasons is a kook, a season to them is a 5 day trip. Riding is more complex than it seems and deserves careful study. If I was starting over, didn't have unlimited cash for in-person lessons, or time for 50+ days a year, I'd submit videos to an online coach like Taevis Kapalka for review. Browse youtube every day looking for lessons that I could understand and apply. Like lifting, it takes time, and ego riding can hurt progress.
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u/iconocrastinaor 2d ago
Enjoy yourself, you're not here for them. And I agree with everyone who said take lessons.
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u/Venngence 2d ago edited 1d ago
Naive much? Grow up and realise you need to improve your skills, you litterally filmed your fuckups then act like you're better than that.
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u/kieran_n 2d ago
They're being overly judgemental, if you want to be good at park, do a lot of park.
Improving overall riding will help, the Ryan Knapton 'how to really, really, really carve' video is a great start, also James Cherry.
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u/Originalgametag 2d ago
I dont think anyone is judging. If anything helping to prevent an injury to themselves or someone else. People who dont have absolute control over their board can lead to dangerous situations, especially in a park. All people are saying is you should learn how to ride rhe motorcycle real well before you start doing wheelies on the public road
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u/bigmac22077 PC UT 2d ago
That’s not what they said “need to learn to ride BEFORE hitting park features”
Making it down some blues in the day would still qualify under “not really knowing how to ride yet”
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u/Caustic___ 2d ago
Exactly this, it doesn't mean no park at all. Imo shredding some blues means u can probably hit a box or small jump. Shredding blacks/double blacks and ur ready for rails and larger jumps. All depends on the person and their confidence tho.
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u/StiffWiggly 2d ago
There are people who are very very good in the park who can barely survive a double black, this is just your own personal preference showing rather than a properly reasonable prerequisite.
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u/plants-for-me 2d ago
yeah, east coast double black, okay maybe.
but like you don't need to be able to do double blacks at whistler before hitting some larger features
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u/GoForAU 2d ago
I say with all due respect because I love that you are trying to throw down and learn. But on your board you don’t have much edge control. I mean you might on the slopes and can shred down some trails with the best of your friends. But you cut so hard on your edges which is why you’re slipping out and 90% of that can be fixed by just being better on your board. And yes, that comes with practice, and I again respect so much you’re trying to learn. But some of that comes from just comfort in the bored. I hope that makes sense without being insulting because I’m truly not trying to be. Just stay centered. You’re leaning to or from depending on the lip. That’s all my advice
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u/PM_ME_BOOTY-PIC 2d ago
Idk this person is right. Your first clip approaching that box looks like a beginner. You caught an edge before you even reached the very wide ride on box
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u/username-changed NJ | 23 Rome Agent LE 151 & 25 YES Greats Uninc 149 2d ago
I came to snowboarding from skateboarding, so I thought I'd have it locked down no problem. First run ever, straight down the terrain park, 100% Send, 0% Skill. I launched and fell off of everything.
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u/shinyswordman 1d ago
Side hits, rollers cat tracks, you need better edge control awareness so when you hit a feature you are able to stay flat and not edge on a feature. Just cruise the mountain more, once you can pop off any little snow imperfection or small side hit you’ll build more confidence getting air and controlling your edge. The part should be for seasoned riders. Like if you were skating I’d tell you to stay out of the skatepark too, go Ollie some curbs and grind a few curbs also. You need more control
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u/shinyswordman 1d ago
You should at least be able to turn and ride without having your invisible buddy your holding with your back arm.
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u/spacegrab Mammoth/June. 2d ago
You're fine. I started at Big Bear in 2005, ate shit on every feature till I suddenly wasn't. As long as you do it safely, aren't impeding anyone, and not causing danger to yourself in deep waters.
Ideally you'd have a bit more proficiency with carving and speed, but whatever. Yeah people are roasting you here cuz you have really bad weight distribution on your approach, which makes you clearly look like a beginner. Nothing wrong with that.
People forget snowboarding was about doing your own thing, your own. Gatekeeping is dumb. I was just like you my 1st season. By my 3rd season I was hitting x-games sized jumps.
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u/Skitzofreniks 2d ago
I would start with not carrying a god damned selfie stick at your skill level.
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u/AdventurousFinish681 2d ago
Don't listen to these people. You can develop both skill sets at the same time. You have the basics which is great just keep pushing yourself to improve carving and edge control skills when your riding to/from the park or between features. More importantly be sure to follow good park etiquette- call your drops and use S.M.A.R.T style and don't be afraid to ask people for tips at the top of the drop, its a good way to meet other park riders!
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u/captaincheem 2d ago
Idk I feel like im a really good board rider (I can carve down any blue and some blacks with ease) but the second I catch any air time I fall on my butt. They are 2 very different skill sets
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u/SendyMcSendFace Instructor | Tahoe 2d ago
Get video of your riding on blues and blacks and analyze it with an instructor or experienced friend. Your description of your air struggles combined with “some blacks” being the top of your comfort zone suggests you are likely missing some of the fundamentals of riding. Jumping is definitely its own skillset, but having absolutely rock-solid turning mechanics makes learning it a lot easier. Who knows, you might notice an easy fix and start charging harder almost immediately!
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u/shinyswordman 1d ago
But it’s not the same, it’s all edge control, tbh I don’t think yo can carve, most people don’t know the difference between carving and turning.
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u/captaincheem 1d ago
No i do know the difference. I see why you would think that but the difference is all in the front foot and how your board catches the edge. There is a difference between surfing and carving. Im not the worlds best carver but I I got the hang of it by the end of last season.
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u/Skitzofreniks 2d ago
I didn’t even think about that, my first thought was “why are bad snowboarders carrying selfie sticks while hitting features in the park?”
put the fuckin camera away and just ride.
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u/binarypie 2d ago
1. Box Slide
You weren't stacked on the entrance to the box slide so as soon as you started sliding you just fell down. Put your weight over the center of your board like you were doing a squat in the gym.
2. Jump
Your weight was in the back seat. This made you a passenger and nothing you could do from that point on could save you from that fall. Your speed was also a bit faster than the jump was probably designed for so that compression also sucked on top of being off balance.
3. Triangle Box
Exact same problem as the first box. You were heavy on your heal side and so once you started sliding there was nothing left to do but fall.
4. Rail Slide
More heal side weight on the approach and so when you got onto the rail you started to slide out into a front-side slide and eventually off the rail as your rotation continued.
5. Up Down Down
You were too slow on this one and just kind of slid off the rail. You were a little better than the others here in terms of stacked position.
6. Sliding into your friend
This should have never happened. When you threw on the brakes you were expecting the board to do all the work being in so high a body position. This caused you to loose your edge and slip out onto your butt and thus destroying your friend.
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u/Shad0XDTTV 2d ago
Damn.. these people are cool af
Actually, I'm being serious. Regardless of the fall shots, they're out there doing it. Having fun and learning. I couldn't help thinking they were cool even as they fell
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u/X15T 1d ago
In response to all the “get a lesson” stuff.
Learning to carve and ride an in-line edge is the first step of many, otherwise you’ll hit a progression ceiling pretty quick or get an injury which will hinder you further. Riding switch is also a big part of it.
You don’t need to necessarily be riding IN the park to build skills needed for success in the park. Park skills and tricks result from application of good fundamentals in your riding. The same way writing poetry or novels is just an application of proper writing skills.
Taking a park lesson can help you understand things like proper approach, setup turns and basics of trick development, but without proper fundamental riding skills it will just be information rather than something to be actually applied.
A good starting point would be to learning to carve, ollie and land with a proper edge set as well as ride with a flat board as this is good foundation of all riding. This can then be applied to a park/jib setting as well as develop your freeride skills.
Your bravery is something you have going for you, so as you get better at the foundation of snowboarding you will be less held back when it comes to being able to send it when you’re ready. Good luck and happy shredding!!
As far as credibility of my advice. I’m a head coach of a fairly successful competitive freestyle snowboard team and have 14 years of coaching and teaching experience from beginners up to the REV tour level.
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u/Clear-Tradition-3607 2d ago
It's true but downvoted for being a poser
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u/SendyMcSendFace Instructor | Tahoe 2d ago
Dude she’s in the park eating shit because she wants to get better. That’s about as far from a poser as you can be. She’s just a beginner. You were new once; be nice.
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u/-Pauciloquent 2d ago
Hey that's my local mountain. Shitty snow this past season but I love that place.
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u/shes_breakin_up_capt 2d ago edited 2d ago
Wow was watching this clip a moment before this post, Taevis has the answer key:
https://youtu.be/3JJz0slua-4?si=uRjb3-DAbr08BBsl
Btw, most honest title in ages respect haha👊
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u/yikesnotyikes Standard Uninc + Astro Fullwrap 1d ago
Everyone’s already had good pointers.
I congratulate you for hucking it out there but just get comfortable on the board first. You won’t improve either one trying to hit features without knowing how or why your board isn’t doing what you want it to.
Learn your board, then you both learn the tricks.
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u/spacemanvt 1d ago
It seems as though you need to become a better overall boarder before heading to the park.
however if you want to eat shit constantly then do you.
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u/_mrsfudge 2d ago
eat shit or die hungry