r/sports • u/Forward-Answer-4407 • 1d ago
Rugby Union Rugby player banned for 32 weeks after telling female referee to ‘get your baps out’
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/rugby-player-banned-telling-female-080100080.html1.4k
u/slapshots1515 1d ago
When I reffed hockey, we were always told there was a difference between “fuck this” and “fuck you.” You’d give a decent amount of latitude for just complaining about a call until it dragged on, but once it becomes personal it has to end.
Telling a woman ref “show us your boobs”, well…
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u/Redpin Toronto Raptors 1d ago
So instead of "show us your boobs," "show us those boobs," got it!
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u/Dweebil 1d ago
Why be specific? Show us boobs.
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u/Ishidan01 1d ago
We are trained never to imply ownership.
Always "those boobs". Never "your boobs".
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u/HealMeBr0 1d ago
the ol' Captain Falcon
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u/FuzzyKaleidoscopes 1d ago
Nah it’s more like “I like boobs” vs “show me your boobs” and honestly I get the difference
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u/hndjbsfrjesus 1d ago
Baseball has a similar culture, but it's best to let the coach do the talking so a key player isn't tossed. In the hundreds of games I played or attended, there is a 100% ejection rate if the ref is called a cocksucker. Perhaps that will change with a shift to acceptance of sex positivity. A catcher on the opposing team snuck one past by saying cork smoker because it made the ump laugh.
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u/Flipz100 1d ago
This is really crazy with Rugby because anyone who isn’t a captain talking with the red can get you a quick yellow card.
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u/slapshots1515 1d ago
There’s not an official captaincy in baseball in the same way. There are captains, but it’s just a sign of respect. Hockey actually does have the same thing with two assistants and the ref can refuse to talk to anyone who isn’t a captain
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u/Fluffychipmonk1 1d ago
It’s my goto for rec softball when I got an issue with a call. Can confirm.
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u/pataglop 1d ago
Anyone who played rugby knows NOT to talk to the ref unless your captain calls us and gives you the approval.
It's been drilled into our brains from our first games at 5 or 6 yo.
That dude is an idiot. Punishment is fair.
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u/maxperception55 1d ago
Ok and?
wtf are "baps"!
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u/Jetztinberlin 1d ago
You could always read the dozens of comments that have already answered that question 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Kthirtyone 1d ago
"Of course it’s company policy never to, imply ownership in the event of [boobs]... always use the indefinite article [some boobs], never your [boobs]."
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u/ExpiredPilot 1d ago
When I first learned to umpire my boss said the same thing.
Complain about calls all you want from the sideline. Complain about umpires from the parking lot
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u/dbell San Francisco 49ers 1d ago
If you don't think the words "get your baps out" will be coming out of my mouth in the next 48 hours, you crazy.
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u/DRKAYIGN 1d ago
I'm already trying to find a way I can nonchalantly drop it into a conversation with my husband.
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u/KennyMoose32 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is a random story but my wife and I have known each other since college. One time we were at a party, pretty low key type of thing.
All of a sudden this girl stands up and says “I’m gonna dump em out” and pulls her shirt down. Her friends quickly went to help her/put her to bed.
However, I have never stopped saying “dump em out” whenever I can to my wife
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u/asvalken 1d ago
My brother's 5'1" Weed Jesus friend who couch surfed with us for two years just said literally whatever was on his mind.
"Knockers" became "honkers" became "blouse clowns".
So he's high as hell, drunk as fuck, the lights are on but nobody's home kind of wasted, and he looks at brother's girlfriend, and makes a 'come here' motion at her.
"Clown me."
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u/thelochteedge 1d ago
My wife and I binged Dexter: Resurrection yesterday and the phrase “sorry to droop your chub” was said by Neil Patrick Harris and I keep chuckling when I think about it and want to use it regularly now.
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u/psychadelicbreakfast 1d ago
No one knows what it means, but it gets the people going!
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u/campbelljac92 10h ago
Baps are big round bread rolls that could under incredibly poor lighting be mistaken for a tit.
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u/SPEK2120 1d ago
while watching one of his club’s matches… said that he was “intoxicated” at the time and “had no real explanation for why he shouted the phrase at the match official”.
Even when you’re not on the clock, getting hammered around your employers/colleagues is not a wise decision.
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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy Rugby United New York 1d ago
Not defending him but this is an amateur rugby club. He’s basically a frat brother.
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u/killerfrenchy Montreal Canadiens 1d ago
Ohhhh ok, so it's rugby beer league. This story makes so much mkre sense now. Thanks lol
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u/Paldasan 1d ago
Oh, you need to be careful there using the word league around the word rugby, because while you might be thinking along the lines of it just being similar to a minor league or a bowling league use there are two similar but different sports that use the word rugby. Rugby Union tends to go by rugby for short and it's 130 year old spin off Rugby League which goes by league for short.
This incident involved Rugby Union and not Rugby League, if you want to specify it being a relatively low profile regional competition you can just call it club rugby. The full time paid professional level competition rugby also played by clubs is more often called by the name of the competition.2
u/Morningrise12 1d ago
Union > League
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u/PokemonGoing 1d ago
Union < League
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u/SleepWouldBeNice Toronto Arrows 23h ago
League is what union players play to warm up
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u/GoldenSheep95 23h ago
Union forwards are all 20 stone tubs of lard so not sure how that would work
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u/jeuatreize 22h ago
Funnily enough, no union players could really keep up in a game of league.
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u/Marksd9 19h ago
And league players would get folded in a scrum and get confused by anything more complex than a spin pass.
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u/jeuatreize 13h ago
Lol. I love how union has poached how many coaches to go across? While no union coaches could make it in league. If you know anything about both sports you'd know the whole modern game of rugby union shapes in both attack and defence all came from League. There's literally books written on it.
Union is so slow that they try to market it as more strategic which is a lie.
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
Ah, the ol' "I was just drunk " excuse for sexual harassment.
I'd hate to imagine his conduct at a club or pub
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u/Sensitivevirmin 1d ago edited 1d ago
….can some one explain what this translates to in English please?
Edit: not everyone speaks UK or Aussie Slang
Some people are Canadian and are a breed of dumb onto its self…sorry
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u/Forward-Answer-4407 1d ago
A bap in the UK is a soft round roll but is also slang for women's breasts.
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u/Impossible-Shine4660 1d ago edited 1d ago
In the us a bap is a diddy bop nawmean?
Jesus. Guess yall didn’t nawmean
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u/KeyDangerous 1d ago
I want downvotes too
In ‘MURICAN, bap is wordplay on cap 🧢 (bloods switch c’s with b’s because bool), which is slang for lying / bullshitting, talking out of your ass - trying to look cool.
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u/St3voevo 1d ago
Show us ya melons
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u/Sensitivevirmin 1d ago
Ah ok yeah that would be offensive to say.
Thanks you in Canadian raises glass of Maple syrup
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u/Justnobodyfqwl 1d ago
Yelling "get your tits out!" at a coworker, in front of cameras, thousands of people, and her parents.
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u/americagiveup 1d ago
It’s an amateur rugby match with a handful of spectators.
Not excusable and deserves his ban, but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick thinking there’s thousands of fans and the ref is his coworker.
Rugby also has a big respect the ref culture, it’s a big no no to abuse the ref, never mind sexist abuse
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u/ShamanicTribesOnAcid 1d ago edited 1d ago
Rugby also has a big respect the ref culture
holy hell reddit I can only laugh so much
25 D-1 Caps. Refs are f'n clowns. Only got tossed once.
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u/OddNothic 1d ago
A “bap” is A soft bread roll that is often dusted with flour and eaten for breakfast, used as slang it refers to a woman’s breasts.
A “prop” is a forward position in a rugby lineup. There are loosehead and tighthead props. I’m unfamiliar with this particular player, but based in the comments, I’d say he is more of a loose-head prop.
For the rest of the article, you should be able to use cognates to sort it out.
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u/Kozeyekan_ 1d ago
Guy gets 32 weeks suspension. Ref is angry sits down for lunch after game. Pulls out two ham and cheese baps she packed earlier. "Oh..."
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u/Alternative_Dealer32 1d ago
It’s already in English.
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u/jjayzx 1d ago
Some would even go on to say it is the most English even.
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u/possyishero 1d ago
I'll also add the cases I'd have ever heard of "baps" used in this way was old timey 1920's American show accent like those used in Private Eye Radio Thrillers or movies. So this is the first I'm realizing the origin is British and not American in nature.
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u/RUSnowcone 1d ago edited 1d ago
For those who don’t know… the Rugby ref is called “the Sir” or “Ma’am”….and you don’t talk back ever . Let alone yell at them.
Parents, coaches , kids. It doesn’t matter they will throw you out in a second….this is not the sport for arguing with the officials.
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u/f0rtytw0 23h ago
The Refs are practically coaches on the field as well. They will explain clearly what you did that was wrong, and what you should be doing instead.
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u/zorionek0 1d ago
“Mr. Official, I respectfully disagree!”
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u/acdameli 1d ago
I don’t know if I’d have had the balls to even disagree respectfully. I was taught you “Yes sir/ma’am”ed, sucked it up, and played harder.
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u/PsychoticSandwich 1d ago
The first lesson I taught my son when he started playing organized sports: It's the ref's game and they're allowing you to play.
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u/below_and_above 1d ago
Great start. The game isn’t for the parents. The game isn’t for the audience. The game is about the players abiding by the rules until one wins in fair sport, and the ref can delegate some of their power to the captains to keep the peace, but is the ultimate authority.
If there were no fans, the sport would continue. But if there were no refs, the game couldn’t begin.
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u/Particular_Night_360 1d ago
There’s a point where that rule stops becoming a rule. Had a group of refs that would try to instigate fights playing hockey. Watched a teammate take an offsetting penalty with the other team. Both players told him to shut the fuck up then sat in separate boxes talking shit and laughing together for two minutes.
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u/rendumguy 1d ago
Idk if it's cause of the nasty political climate or what but what's with all the sexual harassment in sports news recently?
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u/slapshots1515 1d ago
This isn’t particularly new. There’s more focus on it, which brings it to light more.
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u/Blechhotsauce Chicago Cubs 1d ago
And there are many more women participating in sports leagues, especially reffing and coaching.
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u/possyishero 1d ago edited 19h ago
I mean, it's certainly not helpful to it given the political climate, but it's also more a case that:
* Sports Leagues are now finally hiring women to fill these roles, meaning certain insults hurled at officials will come across differently
* These types of cases are now not being ignored as "just boys being boys" and are being reported/penalized more frequently in ways that we're hearing about it.
* Media Companies/Social Media have shown all parties that these topics are things that will get views. So news places will report on it, and people will be interested in spreading it. This is both on those condemning the action, and those that think it's funny. There are also people that may actually want to do something similar themselves to get attention. You'll find an army of loud defenders regardless, unfortunately.
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u/Narwhallmaster 1d ago
I think it is a sign of society becoming less tolerant of it and calling out people more.
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u/dan_v_ploeg Carolina Panthers 1d ago
You really think shit talking in sports, however over the line, is a new thing?
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u/Florida_clam_diver 1d ago
Nah it’s just people started paying attention when it happened to a women’s league. Sports matches have been absolute cesspools for garbage human activity for decades
Racism, homophobia, and xenophobia are all commonplace at sports matches across the world.
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u/Major-Thom 1d ago
In many sports, the refs are your typical refs that will allow an impressive amount of verbal abuse before penalizing.
In rugby, the refs are judge-jury-executioner. Anything short of “sir/ma’am” you’re getting a 10-yard penalty and loss of possession at best. I’ve been on the losing side of easily winnable matches because my teammates are loudmouth idiots. This is one of those loud mouth idiots.
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u/acdameli 1d ago
Seriously this is one of the dumbest things you can do to your team mates. I’ve played with guys who’d take you to task for making shitty comments like that.
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u/tehnoodnub 1d ago
Meanwhile an Australian rules player got a pathetic four weeks for calling an opponent a ‘fa**ot’.
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
I don't think we actually know what he said, do we?
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u/tehnoodnub 10h ago
Some of the media outlets reported on what they believed was the slur used but no, nobody has confirmed it as far as I’m aware.
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u/BeefSupremeTA 1d ago
He was watching from the sidelines, this wasn't in game. He was pissed on the touch line
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u/kittiesandcocks 1d ago
I assume that’s quite the insult in countries that play Rugby other than on collegiate intramural teams
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u/67Macavelli91 Atlanta Braves 1d ago
What's the world coming to when you can no longer be a sexist, piece of shit without getting called out?
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u/DrMangosteen 1d ago
We don't know he's sexist, he might have meant bacon baps, as in she should get in the kitchen and make them some bacon baps. Oh wait
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u/rookie-mistake Winnipeg Jets 1d ago
seems like everyone handled it well. sounds like he immediately realized he fucked up too, which is honestly better than I'd expect in a lot of cases like this
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u/karlpoppins 1d ago
32 weeks is quite excessive. Sure it was an inappropriate and sexist comment, but it amounts to little more than being mean. You don't ban someone for half a year because they said something mean. Still, what the hell was the guy thinking?!
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u/Trumpsabaldcuck 1d ago
It seems like this is a small club/amateur game. This is not big time sports where they have plenty of money to pay for referees and other people needed to make the game happen. The ref in this game is making very little money (or perhaps nothing at all). People that play small club/amateur sports need to show nothing but respect for the people that make their games possible.
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
There is no man-splaining required.
And now you're the one being sexist.
The comment you're responding to was disgraceful but has nothing to do with mansplaining.
Throwing that term at everything you don't like makes a mockery of it.
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u/karlpoppins 1d ago
You're not addressing what I said. You repeated the first part of my comment just to accuse me of "mansplaining"?! Then you proceeded to say something meaningful but skipped the most important part: what regular bans look like for offenses against referees regardless of sex - offenses of non-discriminatory nature. The third part is just a blank statement - why would a sexist comment warrant a ban longer than a year?! Is sexism in rugby such an issue that they have to give out extreme bans to prevent it?
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
You're right.
They should give light sentences, wait for it to become a problem, then give the harsh sentences. /s
Smh
offenses of non-discriminatory nature.
Not really relevant
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u/ToxicBTCMaximalist 1d ago edited 1d ago
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Edit: I don't understand why I'm getting downvotes, but I also don't understand the words that were said.
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u/IJustWorkHere000c 1d ago
Women: “Women belong in men’s sports!!!”
Also women: get offended by men being men during men’s sports
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
Wow. So, it's the woman's fault for sexual harassment by simply being there. . You're a terrible, terrible person and no woman is safe around you.
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u/acdameli 1d ago
Dafuq you on about? Your statement implies that there are times and placed where sexually harassing someone is okay. I’m worried about women being alone with you.
BEYOND that indefensible position…
- She’s a REF.
- Replace the word Women in your statement with another visible minority and see if you can defend it.
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u/ripcity7077 New Jersey Devils 1d ago
I told my fiancé that I was gonna bap her last night
Then I curved my hand inward and lightly tapped her leg six times , ran off , came back and peaked around the corner at her then tapped her a couple more times
I had no idea bap meant boob tho… TIL.
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u/Live_Guidance7199 1d ago
How does this suspension compare to others? What are you getting if you punch someone (on or off field) or get a DUI or something?
Because basically a year (42+4 weeks initially) seems like a lot. Do they give lifetime bans for jaywalking?
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
How the fuck do you jaywalk on a footy field?
God there's some nonsense posted
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u/TanAllOvaJanAllOva 1d ago
In most sports, sexual harassment results in lengthy bans and/or being waived. In the NBA, the Spurs cut a lottery pick for sexually harassing a team therapist. Mel Tucker, former football coach of Michigan State, was fired for sexually harassing a woman. So no, this isn’t the same as “jaywalking”.
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u/Live_Guidance7199 1d ago
You just pointed to hundreds of occurrences of CRIMINAL behavior and they resulted in a 4 game suspension and no punishment whatsoever from the ruling body respectively.
So I guess you agree that a year seems wild when every other punishment for full blown crimes is a couple games or less. Thanks!
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u/TanAllOvaJanAllOva 1d ago
Sexual harassment is not a criminal offense, in the U.S. anyway. Can’t speak on every country.
Nothing I referenced had a 4 game suspension.
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u/Live_Guidance7199 1d ago
Josh Primo was doing the pecilopter to the team shrink. That's a crime. He got a 4 game suspension for it.
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u/CapnBloodbeard 10h ago
What other sports do is irrelevant. Not sure what you think you're achieving by pointing out weak sentences in other sports
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u/Live_Guidance7199 6h ago
I didn't ask what other sports do, I asked what this league does. Other commenter brought up other sports and unintentionally pointed out that full blown sexual assault gets a mere 4 games in other sports.
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u/Theonlykd Edmonton Oilers 1d ago
I heard an ex pro athlete tell a story one time:
Athlete: hey ref, can you give me a penalty for thinking something?
Ref:….. no.
Athlete: well, I think you’re fucking awful today.