Against my better judgment, I took a few minutes to look at the top submissions.
Right now it is a mainly complaining about women, doing exactly what they are complaining about-making it all about women. Nothing about building themselves up or action they could be taking to support fathers. Nothing about how to address the issues that affect men. Nope, mostly complaints about women.
It offend me when during Father's Day, some women in social media will make it about them by mentioning women who raised children by themselves. If single Fathers did the same during mother's day could you imagine the backlash?
Even in father's day, it's still all about mothers.
Rant: I see all these single mothers taking credit during Father's Day but I've never once seen a single father take credit during Mother's Day. Ugh.
Google forgets to make Father's Day about women
YouTube Spotlight wasn't shy about posting a Mother's Day video, but where is the Father's Day video?
Then there are THREE posts complaining about women man-spreading! Three! Is this the real issue plaguing men?
The one thread about prostate cancer awareness hasn't even received any comments after hours of being up. Same with "The Difference A Dad Makes." Yet women manspreading garnered 530 on one thread alone!
And the top posts are no better:
The top post of all time! is you guessed it! About feminism:
Not about how to help men. Not about how to organize or take action. But a childish post about getting banned from a feminism subreddit. That's super helpful to men everywhere.
Two is making fun of woman.
Three is also invoking women: "Apparently Homelessness is only a Problem if you are a Woman."
Four is about a woman getting smacked down by a judge.
Five is also comparing the situation to women's situations.
Six is a tabloid clickbait complaining about women.
Seven is a factually inaccurate article that has been debunked.
Eight is a very real concern. But all it is one example from a blog site, not MM as it seems to imply, and it is a complaint about women without any discussion on why this happens or how we can address it. Just complaining about women.
Nine is about false accusations. Also a real issue. But again, no discussion on tackling the issue. Just complaining about women.
Ten is also a real issue. But it's lecturing women. It's not really helping anyone, and it does not help address the issue. It's just more complaining about women.
No threads about how to achieve their goals. No threads about how to take action. No threads to talk about why the state of the world is what it is. It's mostly complaining about and comparing everything to women.
And you seriously expect anyone to believe this sub is not anti-women and anti-feminism? Seriously? What is it then?
holy shit you are a fruit cake. you have to work really hard to twist the subs into what you are claiming they are. like the submission about homelessness that links to the article pushing to help women who are homeless when the ad itself points out they are only 25% of the homeless population. i'd love to hear your sexist explanation on why its important to give extra help and attention to the smaller group of homeless just because they are women. or the judge who tells the mother the father is equally important and the kid doesn't belong solely to the mother, isn't a judge "smacking down" a woman, its a judge acting in a way not enough do, and highlighting the equal value of fathers.
you are part of the problem.
i'm not wasting any more time on you. have a nice life. :D
Wow, thanks for taking the time. You presented him with exactly what he recommended I look at, and he had nothing to refute you except resorting to ad hom and calling you a fruit cake. Bravo. When they have nothing but insults left, you know they can't argue against your position.
He was just putting words in my mouth and strawmanning me the whole time he was talking to me, too. I finally just called him on it, and he went silent. Now I see it was in order to respond to your much better reply.
other than the fact that you are, sure. whose the one that twists valid concerns into bullshit to suit their agenda? oh thats right, thats you dipstick.
you have to work really hard to twist the subs into what you are claiming they are. like the submission about homelessness that links to the article pushing to help women who are homeless when the ad itself points out they are only 25% of the homeless population. i'd love to hear your sexist explanation on why its important to give extra help and attention to the smaller group of homeless just because they are women. or the judge who tells the mother the father is equally important and the kid doesn't belong solely to the mother, isn't a judge "smacking down" a woman, its a judge acting in a way not enough do, and highlighting the equal value of fathers.
i gave two easy example of the twisting of real gender based issues into non-valid nonsense being the focus of the submission.
i don't want to be right on the internet. it holds about as much value to me as a gold medal in the special olympics. i just want people to stop pushing the propaganda that MRA's are just women hating dipshits with no valid issues men face.
And I agree with both of those situations you have named.
The conversation here is about the MRA subreddit, though, and the way the massive, vast majority of the members within it behave. There's no twisting going on here. I even said very early on in our conversation, let me find the exact quote...
Lemme level with you: I probably am for every issue you could bring up that is supposedly "MRA" but the toxic movement and its members are where my beef lies.
My points have never been about feminism, or about valid men's issues. My points have always been about this toxic movement called "MRA" and the people who self-identify (I shudder to imagine doing so) as "MRA" unironically.
The other person here was also arguing the same thing, but you're like... on a completely different page. You're trying to argue that because one or two decent posts happen, amidst the sea of garbage that the other guy so quickly was able to link, that it makes it all good. Well, it doesn't.
The "MRA" movement online, so far as I can see, is just anti-feminist. They don't represent me, a man, who would like to see equality of sexes. They just represent, by and large, an angry population of men on the internet who feel attacked and want to lash out.
Also, a gold medal in the special olympics holds an incredible amount of value.
Also, many MRAs are indeed women hating dipshits. Many others are misled idealists following the idealogs.
You wanna do something positive for men? Then do it. Stop whining.
The conversation here is about the MRA subreddit, though, and the way the massive, vast majority of the members within it behave. There's no twisting going on here.
it was specifically in relation to the poster who you praised, who twisted all the submissions into nonsense, completely ignoring their actual purpose.
You're trying to argue that because one or two decent posts happen, amidst the sea of garbage that the other guy so quickly was able to link, that it makes it all good.
every one of that posters interpretations was twisting the actual submissions. it was just one or two i addressed. it was pretty obvious even a point by point refutation of the mental gymnastics they were going through would be ineffective.
The "MRA" movement online, so far as I can see, is just anti-feminist. They don't represent me, a man, who would like to see equality of sexes. They just represent, by and large, an angry population of men on the internet who feel attacked and want to lash out.
because you don't actually interact with them and just push the propaganda you've been given.
You wanna do something positive for men? Then do it. Stop whining.
don't make silly assumptions about what i do or don't do. if you weren't so convinced about your incorrect stereotyping of what MRA's are and are not, you wouldn't fall into such an obvious mistake.
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u/sequestration Jun 19 '17
Against my better judgment, I took a few minutes to look at the top submissions.
Right now it is a mainly complaining about women, doing exactly what they are complaining about-making it all about women. Nothing about building themselves up or action they could be taking to support fathers. Nothing about how to address the issues that affect men. Nope, mostly complaints about women.
It offend me when during Father's Day, some women in social media will make it about them by mentioning women who raised children by themselves. If single Fathers did the same during mother's day could you imagine the backlash?
Even in father's day, it's still all about mothers.
Rant: I see all these single mothers taking credit during Father's Day but I've never once seen a single father take credit during Mother's Day. Ugh.
Google forgets to make Father's Day about women
YouTube Spotlight wasn't shy about posting a Mother's Day video, but where is the Father's Day video?
Then there are THREE posts complaining about women man-spreading! Three! Is this the real issue plaguing men?
The one thread about prostate cancer awareness hasn't even received any comments after hours of being up. Same with "The Difference A Dad Makes." Yet women manspreading garnered 530 on one thread alone!
And the top posts are no better:
The top post of all time! is you guessed it! About feminism:
Not about how to help men. Not about how to organize or take action. But a childish post about getting banned from a feminism subreddit. That's super helpful to men everywhere.
Two is making fun of woman.
Three is also invoking women: "Apparently Homelessness is only a Problem if you are a Woman."
Four is about a woman getting smacked down by a judge.
Five is also comparing the situation to women's situations.
Six is a tabloid clickbait complaining about women.
Seven is a factually inaccurate article that has been debunked.
Eight is a very real concern. But all it is one example from a blog site, not MM as it seems to imply, and it is a complaint about women without any discussion on why this happens or how we can address it. Just complaining about women.
Nine is about false accusations. Also a real issue. But again, no discussion on tackling the issue. Just complaining about women.
Ten is also a real issue. But it's lecturing women. It's not really helping anyone, and it does not help address the issue. It's just more complaining about women.
No threads about how to achieve their goals. No threads about how to take action. No threads to talk about why the state of the world is what it is. It's mostly complaining about and comparing everything to women.
And you seriously expect anyone to believe this sub is not anti-women and anti-feminism? Seriously? What is it then?