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u/HotelPuzzleheaded654 1d ago

The one thing you can give Trump credit for is that he is very transparent about his corruption given it relies on his base being total morons.

They have this assumption everyone is corrupt but it’s okay if you don’t try to hide it.

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u/TacticlTwinkie 1d ago

That’s the thing. They are thoroughly convinced that the other side is already doing all these things. In their mind, they are just fighting fire with fire.

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

They're telling on themselves. They think everybody else is doing it because it's exactly what they'd do given the opportunity.

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u/Drolb 1d ago

It’s fucking wild how awful these people must be internally, and how horrible they must be to know and interact with.

Like it’s one thing to be cynical, I’m cynical a lot of the time

But to be so far off the scale of terrible people that you fully believe all people are bastards all the time and will always screw everyone over at every opportunity you’ve got to be a real piece of shit. I’m talking sloppy steaks level piece of shit.

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u/No-Mark4427 1d ago

The one thing I find most scary and most fascinating about most people, including myself, is how unbelievably easy it is for anyone to convince themselves that anything is true or OK. Even if it means they are a massive hypocrite, its super easy to simply switch that off and say 'nah its different for me'

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u/1-800PederastyNow 1d ago

I agree. Anyone that says they would never have been a Nazi is deluding themselves, there is nothing inhuman about Nazis and that's why they're so terrifying. With just the wrong upbringing...

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u/Senior-Albatross 1d ago

Nazis were quintessentially human, actually. That evil is within all of us was the lesson. Unfortunately, not wanting to acknowledge difficult truths and replacing them with nonsense is also within all of us.

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u/Canadian-Man-infj 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

Philosopher Hannah Arendt coined the term "banality of evil" and it's exactly what you're describing.

She found that they weren't "evil" necessarily and not even that intelligent; they were just obedient underlings doing what they were told to do...

In the end, they were just "doing their job."

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u/el_muchacho 1d ago edited 1d ago

Basically when society tells them something that was once unacceptable is now acceptable, most people don't think twice and it becomes their new normal. This is why propaganda channels like Fox are so dangerous. You can see the shift year after year towards fascism and what was inconceivable only a decade ago is now accepted and will eventually become the norm. What Nazism taught us is, there is no bottom to this process, even in a society we call "civilized".

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u/Lil_S_curve2 1d ago

My fucking father summed up.

I hate this ride.

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u/BuckThis86 1d ago

Nazism and fascism occur when fear and greed take the place of care and love

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u/Anxious-Depth-7983 18h ago

It takes place when sociopathic children are encouraged instead of disciplined. Phrases like "boys will be boys" come to mind. Or "that's just Trump being Trump."

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u/xpdx 1d ago

Nazi Germany was absolutely swimming in methamphetamine. Soldiers took it, housewives, police, bakers, and the fuhrer himself had quite the habit going too. Pervitin it was called, although Mr. Hitler got injections of the really good shit from his doctor.

Yes they were humans and all humans have the capacity for evil, but truckloads of meth sure does help push it over the top.

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u/SunyataHappens 1d ago

Millions of doses used during the Nazi blitzkrieg through Poland into France.

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u/overkill 23h ago

The book "Blitzed" by Norman Ohler is an excellent exploration of both of these subjects. The subtitle of it could be "Were the Nazis crank fueled meth heads?" and the answer is "largely, yes".

They even had meth laced chocolate called Hausfrauenschokolade for housewives so they could do their housework at super speeds.

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u/entropicdrift 23h ago

Yeah, good thing nobody's on meth or other stimulants for one of the most commonly diagnosed disorders in the US

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u/goldenstudent 23h ago

Valid, but from personal experience other stimulants don't have the same degenerative effects and if you have ADHD and take modern prescriptions correctly it pharmakinetically makes people "normal" not meth goblins.

🌈The more you know🌈

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u/s_4_evrysing 1d ago

Jesus what a hauntingly strong comment

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u/calgarspimphand 22h ago

As an engineer and a history buff, I always thought about what it would have been like for engineers at places like BMW or Krupp to keep working on weapons even after the Nazis had revealed their full evil. How could one do that?

And so I am now unemployed, because at this point in American history I refuse to continue working in the defense industry.

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u/Bakoro 1d ago

The actually scary thing is that the ideology might not be totally wrong, it's just that they have it twisted.

Look at the history of slavery: it was the law of many countries for centuries, yet the entire time there was a small group of people who fought against it on behalf of the slaves, for no other reason than they thought it was the right thing to do. A small group of people, promoting ethics and compassion, in spite of their whole society.

Look at all the movements and seligions that got started over millennia which basically said "let's stop being shitty to each other and just work together, and let people be."
And then they get ostracized and killed for that peaceful message.

Maybe some people just are born better. In all recorded nations, among all "races", across time, some small fraction of people just seem to be born better than everyone else, and they drag the whole world into a slightly less shitty direction.

Nazi shitheads are the other end of that spectrum, the people who think they are better, based on nothing, and use that as an excuse to lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and subjugate.

And all the people in the middle who just do whatever the closest person says to do.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 16h ago

Some people believe that "good" or "bad" is something you are, and others believe it is what you do.

If good is defined by what you do, then you need to do good things in order to be a good person. If good is simply something that you are, then no amount of bad deeds can take that away from you.

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u/Educational-Site4639 19h ago

You’re just ONE step away from having a breakthrough in admitting you have the inclination to default into “an asshole” setting when confronted with the notion of being hypocritical or contradictory. Your close! You can do it! 😉👍🏾

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But...

A lot of people are products of their environment.

Some people believe all people are bastards because everyone they've ever known has been a bastard.

It's not necessarily a MAGAT's fault they are the way they are. Maybe Dad beat him in the name of God, his older brother stole all his food, and the only media on ever was Fox news.

And then Introspection is hard, even for a lot of very smart people.

(Let me post-script this with 'Fuck all Republicans')

It's whatever's going on in our culture that's the carcinogen. MAGA's just a tumor that's metastisized.

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u/cantadmittoposting 1d ago

It's whatever's going on in our culture that's the carcinogen. MAGA's just a tumor that's metastisized.

yeah i think a lot about how ubiquitous peer to peer global communication (i.e. internet, social media) exposed existing cultural rot, versus how much of that rot was introduced by this reactionary right wing growth.

 

Prior to widespread internet, i think many of the "middle american conservative evangelicals" may have legitimately been unaware how outdated bigoted their whole culture basically was.

So they showed up to "the internet" and got absolutely inundated with all these supposedly awful or immoral cultures sort of openly just existing and posting, and got metaphorically punched in the face with a rejection of their insular religious bigotry.

 

So religious and conservative strategists of course jumped on that fear, and weaponized it, and also, via botnets and paid influencers and all that other jazz, recreated the safe space on social media networks by overloading algorithms with "safe" messaging.

so people like poor innocent grandma now logs on to facebook and thinks all is right with the world again because she sees AI generated croissant jesus instead of second cousin billy's pride parade photos from the big city. And the angry people get a whole tiktok algo convincing them they're "winning."

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u/mmlovin 1d ago

I’m starting to think the internet in general is a mistake. I mean, I’ve known that about social media for a while, but idk man the internet seems to have started to reverse humanity’s progress backward.

All scientific studies say humans are more lonely than ever, it’s a health crisis. That’s humans existing right now. All the studies say none of us like to online date, that we don’t know how to make friends without relying on social media. Like the majority of us would rather be talking to people in the coffee shop, but we aren’t cause we’re all on our phone in the coffee shop. It’s nuts to me. It’s actually changing our brain development.

Like I’m 34, I remember what it was like to have to be present in the real world all the time without a computer world to escape to. You HAD to be with people. & I’m lonely as shit & rely on the internet for socialization cause of depression.

Now what does is a lonely 34 year old look like 30 years from now? Someone who literally never had to have that human interaction to have relationships?

TLDR: The cons of the internet are getting really close to outweighing the pros & it’s being reflected society

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u/Ok-Primary6610 1d ago

The "time before the Internet" wasn't all gravy train. Some of us don't live around people where we fit in. As a geek, growing up in the late 80's and through the 90's had its rough moments. Now try being a POC, non religious, pansexual AND a geek. Pretty much everything that the right hates and "normal" people made fun of. Imagine how lonely that was before being able to find similar people online to talk to. Something to think about.

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u/Pseudonymico 1d ago

Disagree. It's all down to the shitty social media platforms, not the internet itself. It can be an absolute lifeline if you can't just get out of the house and keep up with the kind of social life you could manage as a relatively healthy 20-something or just a random student with no responsibilities. Overworked in a shitty job, stuck home looking after kids, disabled, elderly, moved away from your friends by life circumstances, a persecuted, isolated minority, or even just too damn introverted for it to be worth it to go out? The internet absolutely made all those things easier to keep socialised enough with before social media companies decided to ruin their products to make line go up.

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u/NiceTryWasabi 1d ago

That's the crazy part, with all of the power of information available at their fingertips, it's caused people to double down on their localized beliefs since clearly everyone else is crazy. There's no way that their entire life has been a farce.

Every openly MAGA person I've met has been the least traveled or diversified in their upbringing. They simply cannot accept that their lifelong opinions are wrong. There is no logic, just pure hatred for someone telling them that nana was a piece of shit.

There is a very strong correlation with big city's and democrats. Because they have legitimately known people of other colors and class that are good people. It flips the script real quick.

Farmer John who married his high school sweetheart and never moved out of the 5,000 person town can't even fathom anybody else being an equal. It's disgusting. The few who I grew up with that leaned right moved out to the country where nobody knows any better. And guess what? None of them have ever had a passport.

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u/Standard-Fail-434 1d ago

You mention the internet and right wing has used bot farms etc to push messaging. Are we doing that? If not, why not?

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u/TBANON_NSFW 1d ago

Its because they are addicts.

And Hate is their choice of drug.

Hating can literally release endorphins, dopamine and serotonin to deal with the stress that comes from how they perceive their world to be.

Fox news has spent decades dosing the people with daily sprinkles of hate. They create the stress first by presenting absurdly out of context if not totally fabricated viewpoints and issues, then follow those stress inducers with hateful rhetoric that allows the viewers to get both the urge and release in one sitting. Its why its something old people have on 24/7 in their homes. Not the millions of movies and tv episodes, but fox news running 24/7... ITs why young people flock to social media personalities and joe rogan. They do the same, they give them a series of stress inducers and then follow it up with the release through hating minorities and woke and socialism and dei and whatever acronym or group they decide is at fault at the moment.

And everyone enjoys a little hate. Have you ever watched a movie, or seen a game, or heard a song and just disliked it, like you cant understand why others would like it, or you watch segments on daily show or olivers show and get angry but also get a release from them making fun of these things and people, then you go online and read someone sharing that opinion or talk with your friends and they also agree it sucks, it feels good right. You feel justified you feel acknowledged you feel a little happy.... relaxed....

Now imagine that amped up to 1000.

BUT over time people become numb to the hate, it becomes normalized just like anything in excess would do.

UNTIL Trump came along and gave them a new level of amygdala hits like they were taking fent laced crack cocaine straight up their buttholes. And once they got that taste of that kind of high....

Ooooo boy, its like trying to convince your neighborhood crack addict with no teeth and rotting toes that he should stop hitting the pipe x 1000 because their crack is everywhere around them 24/7, its on the radio when they wake up and go to work, its around the office and during lunch breaks, its on their doctors waiting rooms, in their grocery stores, in their gyms, even when they hang out, they talk about how much they love their hate crack cocaine so much, they love to share and boof each others buttholes. They spend their nights before sleeping just taking another hit, so they can dream about their hate. Heck they even go to churches that preach that hate.

To help someone who is brainwashed and inside a cult, you need to take that person away from the cult first and foremost. But like i just wrote, they are surrounded by it everywhere. And with Fox News and Sinclair media owning almost all local news stations, and the rise of social media hate peddlers, its pretty much impossible to reach them.

Trump could literally rape a child on 5th ave in front of every news station and joe rogan and instagram social media influencers, and they would still vote for him next time and find a way to justify him raping a child in front of their eyes and in turn their voters agreeing and blaming the child or democrats or biden or obama.

Because they are addicts. They want their hit of hate no matter what.

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u/Lil_S_curve2 1d ago

Write a book.

Not because I'm talking shit, but because you have shit to say worth hearing.

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u/Anxious-Depth-7983 18h ago

Why else would they be trying to kill PBS, i.e., Sesame Street? Can't have too many children being taught not to continue being psychopaths and learning how to be compassionate. I wonder what was on in the Trump household while little Donnie was pulling the wings off of flies.

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u/DIRTYDOGG-1 1d ago

Good save there at the end ...cause for a moment there ....

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

Thank you for your contribution.

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u/Super_VisorJLaForge 1d ago

Was thinking the same....Excellent take thanks for the hit.

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u/Chrontius 1d ago

Some people believe all people are bastards because everyone they've ever known has been a bastard.

I was a misanthrope until college for a reason…

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u/Monty_Bentley 1d ago

Fred Trump has a lot to answer for.

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u/ToHallowMySleep 1d ago

This is easily studiednwithout going into guesswork or wishful thinking.

The main watershed was Reagan, under whom tons of protections were removed (e.g. the requirement of news outlets to give facts, not opinion) and the stage was set for the mega rich to start attaching themselves like ticks and sucking it dry.

This is just an acceleration of that.

There was a good link to a better comment than mine on this subject on r/bestof yesterday.

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u/Uristqwerty 23h ago

Empathy requires a mental model of other people. Social media gave people a way to self-select into cliques whose main source of training data about what others feel is each other repeating "Those people think...". Is it any wonder bigotry's so common these past few decades?

People are suffering from late-stage model collapse.

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u/Deadlymonkey 1d ago

I don’t think it’s that, I think it’s more so that their evaluation of themselves is incredibly high and this is a convenient explanation to justify why their views/values may not be as popular as they want to believe.

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u/dprism 1d ago

You are getting to the core of it. Projection is a specific psychological mechanism for people who lack empathy. Consider that such a person cannot understand how other people think, let alone that they could think differently. All they can do is project the way they think onto others.

Another important point is that the lack of empathy is a mental symptom that can spread, as it has in every cult and fascist/authoritarian state throughout history. Good luck out there.

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u/wfmbrian 1d ago

Hair all slicked back. Not mine, this is pushed back.

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u/JugdishSteinfeld 1d ago

Trump's is more pushed about than anything, what does that indicate?

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u/Bruins8763 1d ago

Sloppy steaks

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u/Sensitive-Orange7203 1d ago

I’ve interacted with so many of these people over the years. They’re not tortured internally, they’re perfectly happy.

Their general knowledge is so poor that they’re not able to connect the dots and see the big picture, plus they live in the moment and so they don’t really worry about the future of the country. They don’t have any anxiety about the state of the country or signs of rising fascism because this is all meaningless noise to them.

They don’t look inward and self-examine. They live shallow lives only thinking day by day. Work, leisure, friends, food, living in the moment. If they’re ever forced to think about a policy issue, they default to whatever their side says about it.

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u/wowaddict71 1d ago

There is a long history, scratch that, all throughout the history of humanity, there have been people like this. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we are willing to reach out to them, whilst they just want to wipe us from the face of the earth.

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u/waltwalt 1d ago

It's called a low-trust society and it's the last step before dissolution.

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u/dcrico20 1d ago

For the most part they've been told their entire lives that anybody left of Reagan has been doing this kind of shit.

The right has built a permission structure for this kind of authoritarian regime for decades through relentless agitprop while the media manufactured consent with relentless enlightened centrism, false equivalencies, and nuance poisoning.

And while this was happening, the Democratic party fully succumbed to corporate capture, leaving no actual opposition in Washington to fight this fascist takeover.

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u/ultimapanzer 1d ago

Yeah, it’s called projection. The “every accusation is a confession” idea is very much reality with these people. Everyone should be concerned by how often they accuse democrats of being pedophiles…

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u/a30dayfreetrial 1d ago

It's similar to when they accuse someone of "virtue signaling", as if it's just performative, because they don't have and can't imagine anyone having those virtues, and therefore no one does.

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u/Lyshavskilden 1d ago

This 100%. Trump will often blame others for what he has done himself or could imagine doing himself. Rigging election is one. He either done it in the past, and if not he is already planing for it in the future.

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u/dekadense 20h ago

It feels exactly like that ex girlfriend that kept accusing me of cheating on her only to find out that she was cheating on me...

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u/Oberon_Swanson 1d ago

That's why they're cool with Trump raping children.

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u/CiDevant 1d ago

Yes but for real.  They treat these things like farting.  Like Everyone does it but you don't talk about it in  public.  To them everyone is rasict but some people just deny it.

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u/skeptic9916 1d ago

A thief thinks everyone steals.

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u/FateUnusual 23h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/HeldnarRommar 1d ago

You see it with the whole gerrymandering debacle. Conservatives keep saying Dems have been gerrymandering for decades and do it more than conservatives when that’s not even remotely true and has zero basis in reality.

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u/RedditReader4031 1d ago

Search Tarrant County TX commissioner interview about redistricting maps. This clown says it with a straight face as if he’s the only correct one.

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u/ToastedWave 1d ago

It's even worse than that. Just go read the thread on r/conservative about Maxwell's comment about Trump. As soon as one of their own disagrees they completely disown them. Madness.

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u/HeldnarRommar 1d ago

Yeah that’s one of the tenants of a cult

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u/ausgoals 1d ago

It’s purposefully disingenuous.

Though it was amusing to watch people on Twitter ask Grok which party benefits most from gerrymandering and get annoyed when it replied that it was a mixed bag (and didn’t, actually, favor Democrats).

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u/Zalophusdvm 1d ago

Well…it doesn’t have ZERO basis in fact. It’s a twisted interpretation and an erroneous conclusion but there are a couple (literally 2) of democratic states just as guilty of it as the south.

https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/

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u/Bellamysghost 1d ago

Yeah that’s what the projection was for. The election lies, the baby killer/pedo accusations. They were prepping for this. If I accuse you of stealing from me in front of the family all week when I finally actually steal from you the family is gonna think im retaliating vs. just being a dick.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

I think “convinced” is the wrong word, here. They just hate black people and gay people. They don’t care what Trump does, long as Black people and Gay people are disenfranchised.

My coworker was listening to a crypto bro talking about the “[gay slurs]” ruining everything just an hour ago.

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u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago

They just hate. Full stop.

The Republican propaganda machine has tapped into that by giving them something to hate. Black people. Gay people. Immigrants. Anyone other than themselves. Anyone they are told to hate.

Even though the hatred is build on bullshit, the threat to those groups that it creates of thin air is very real and tangible. We can't not defend ourselves or our loved ones that are affected.

And so the filthy peasant class gets stuck fighting amongst themselves, even though many can clearly see the bullshit for what it' is, while the rich get richer. If I didn't hate it so much I'd say it's a pretty fucking brilliant strategy.

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u/Umutuku 1d ago

They aren't willing to challenge themselves in any way that leads to personal growth.

They still have that evolutionary desire to grow/risk/progress, but they're afraid of it.

The only way they can temporarily shake the feeling that they aren't getting better is by convincing themselves that other people are worse than them in ways that they aren't willing to risk validating.

They can't feel better about themselves so they have to feel unjustifiably worse about others in order to make themselves feel better relative to them.

Bigotry is the coward's narcotic.

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u/overlyambitiousgoat 1d ago

Pretty much.

I grew up in that rural conservative culture, and looking back on it now it's clear that my whole life in that space revolved around using hate to A) repair my own ego, and B) deepen relationships with other conservatives by bonding over our shared hatred of <insert out group>.

If you would have told me at the time that I was a hateful person, I would have sworn on a bible that you were absolutely wrong. But looking back now, it's very clear that my whole internal mental life orbited around a dense, black hole of hate and unresolved anger.

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u/broodkiller 1d ago

Perhaps the worst part is that the hate is just a means for self-enrichment for those peddling it. LBJ put it nicely and succinctly:

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

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u/Tall_Sir_4312 1d ago

Exactly what I have been saying. It doesn’t matter if they are uneducated or giving up public benefits or any of that. They are hate filled people and that is what moves them emotionally. To boot they are afraid of anything that challenges their hate filled views and they attack that too.

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1d ago

its absolutely wild how much of the left STILL doesn't understand this. We're literally more than a decade into trump and his fans spewing and loving bigotry and hatred, yet still there are large portions of the left who are still like..'man..i wonder what their motivation is. i'm sure going to college will fix them'

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u/SnooCompliments8967 1d ago

They have been told the "left" is doing what the right is currently doing for decades now - stealing freedom and government and building a fascist empire that's destroying the economoy for their special interests.

When you believe those are your enemies, then you deally don't care much about the moral character of the person fighting them. "Enemy of the enemy is my friend" and all that.

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u/ogbellaluna 1d ago

and women. they hate women, quite a lot.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

They do. But unfortunately, that includes a lot of women.

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u/ogbellaluna 1d ago

gender traitors.

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s not that simple. I know two separate people, neither of them racist or homophobic, and they’re both in favour of Trump because they are cynical. They make the “both sides” argument about everything. They believe all politicians are corrupt, so Trump is fine

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

I respect that you know these people. However, I didn’t know my coworker was a POS until 5 years after knowing him. I also know racists have a meme after Dragon Ball Z where they say they are “hiding their power level” by not saying bigoted shit in front of the wrong people.

So you’re probably right about those people. But I would be extremely cautious about anyone who voted for Trump being racist or homophobic.

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u/npc4lyfe 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is true. Everyone I know who is pro-Trump that I thought weren't racists, homophobes, or misogynists turned out to be at least 1 out of 3. This explains the feelings of being censored by the left because they've been self-censoring their hateful opinions all their lives because they (correctly) assume that a just society wouldn't tolerate them. Trump legitimizes their their low instinct to deeply mistrust people that are not like themselves, and if that's really true (it isn't), then everyone deep down is racist and sexist (they're not), so then why not just let white men take over (they already have, but they don't see it that way because they think they are the victims and by "take over" they really mean a full on fascist white ethnostate).

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago

Both things can be true. But it’s not just racist homophobes. This is what happens when the truth doesn’t matter. When podcasters are trusted over scientists and real journalists. Ignorance and fear will reign

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1d ago

But it’s not just racist homophobes.

That's the primary reason. There are other, overlapping circles sure, but the singular thread that ties the majority of trump support together is white supremacy. This has been studied, documented, peer reviewed many many times.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago

How do you explain people of color also voting for Trump? Trump and the republicans preach the gospel of hatred. They say it’s okay to not have any compassion for your fellow human beings. This appeals to many people for different reasons. Trump says screw your neighbour and screw the planet. Do what’s right for you.

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u/Actual__Wizard 1d ago edited 1d ago

The problem with that: It's right wing propaganda so, they're actually just tipping their hats about their political affiliation. Those are right wingers...

Most people understand that one party supports democracy (the concept of expanding government to everyone) and the other is conservative (the concept of only allowing a tiny group of people to have power in government.)

From that perspective alone, not many people should ever consider conservatism, because it's not designed to the suit the voters. It's designed to do the opposite...

It's two completely different things and right wingers like to pretend that's not true because it obfuscates the reality that conservatism is the polar opposite of democracy...

This is the position of conservatives: They have to lie about their political party because they know it's toxic... If they want to win, their choices are: Lying, cheating, and stealing, because they'll never win on their fundamentals because fundamentally, the party shouldn't exist. It's clearly cancer to modern productive societies... The whole purpose to it is preventing society from moving forwards while some rich douchebags line their pockets.

It basically only exists just to remind us that there is giant dickheads in the world that we need to watch out for... And there they are... They flipped everything upsidedown so they put a criminal in charge of free people and they're thinking that's a good idea because they'll make more money.

Like as if they've never read any one of the get rich quick scam books... It's so absurd, people fall for the dumbest tricks...

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u/BobbySpitOnMe 1d ago

I tried to bring up the blatant corruption to my family and they started what-abouting the Clintons’ speaker fees.

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u/MrSnarf26 1d ago

Yea republicans love it. We have “both sides”’d ourselves into fascism.

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u/Shirlenator 1d ago

And they think that anyone pointing out the corruption means they are hypocrites, too.

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u/Noblesseux 1d ago

A huge part of the conservative mentality is assuming that because they're terrible people, everyone else is too and thus anything they do is justified because you'd do it to them if you had a chance.

It's like the core thing behind all the great replacement stuff: "well we treated latino/black people poorly when we were in charge so they must intend to do the same thing to us".

It's the same thing with their ideas on welfare/healthcare: "well I'm lazy, selfish and unethical so I'd cheat the system if I thought I could get away with it, so other people must be doing that to".

Like a HUGE part of conservative policy is them refusing to realize that they're bad people.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

I miss the times when Obama launched a shitcoin to launder money

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u/Freud-Network 1d ago

That's funny because a California republican recently said that fighting fire with fire just burns everything down.

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u/TypeXer0 1d ago

100% their sociopathy is driven by the premise that everyone is as evil as them. They’re disgusting 

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

Its because conservatives fundamentally lack empathy. They literally cannot put themselves in someone else's shoes or imagine someone might have different motivations than their own. This is why every accusation is a confession. Anything a conservative accuses someone else of, its something theyve either done, are doing, plan to do, or would do if given the chance and since *they* would do it, they assume everyone else would too. After all, *they* are good, moral christian conservatives and if *they* would sink that low, imagine what the evil left would do. Not to mention the whole "god's will" thing that can excuse literally any behavior so long as its in service to "god's will".

Dangerously insane individuals.

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u/Nerd_bottom 1d ago

That's the point of all the wild and untrue accusations Republicans throw at everyone else: accuse your enemy of doing what you intend to do, or are doing, and then your brainwashed base just sees your crimes and corruption as normal because you've tricked them into believing the other side has been doing it all along.

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u/sulaymanf 1d ago

That’s part of the Reverse Cargo Cult:

Trump administration lies constantly but doesn’t even attempt to make it seem like they aren’t lying.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this kind of cynicism was referred to as the “reverse cargo cult” effect.

In a regular cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw, hoping for the same outcome. They don’t know the difference between a straw airstrip and a real one, they just want the cargo. In a reverse cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw. But there’s a twist:

When they build the straw airstrip, it isn’t because they are hoping for the same outcome. They know the difference, and know that because their airstrip is made of straw, it certainly won’t yield any cargo, but it serves another purpose. They don’t lie to the rubes and tell them that an airstrip made of straw will bring them cargo. That’s an easy lie to dismantle. Instead, what they do is make it clear that the airstrip is made of straw, and doesn’t work, but then tell you that the other guy’s airstrip doesn’t work either. They tell you that no airstrips yield cargo. The whole idea of cargo is a lie, and those fools, with their fancy airstrip made out of wood, concrete, and metal is just as wasteful and silly as one made of straw.

1980s Soviets knew that their government was lying to them about the strength and power of their society, the Communist Party couldn’t hide all of the dysfunctions people saw on a daily basis. This didn’t stop the Soviet leadership from lying. Instead, they just accused the West of being equally deceptive. “Sure, things might be bad here, but they are just as bad in America, and in America people are actually foolish enough to believe in the lie! Not like you, clever people. You get it. You know it is a lie.”

Trump’s supporters don’t care about being lied to. You can point out the lies until you’re blue in the face, but it makes no difference to them. Why? Because it is just a game to them. The media lies, bloggers lie, politicians lie, it’s just all a bunch of lies. Facts don’t matter because those are lies also. Those trolls on Twitter, 4Chan, T_D, etc. are just having a good laugh. They are congratulating each other for being so smart. We are fools for still believing in anything. There is no cargo, and probably never was.

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u/serger989 1d ago

Had a conversation with someone at my old work about this. He agreed that Trump was pretty crazy but still liked him because to him, whatever we knew the Republicans were doing, he figured what we didn't know about the Democrats was far worse. These people think the Dems are worse because of what they DON'T know the Dems are doing. They basically use their imagination to justify... everything.

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u/cursedfan 1d ago

That’s becuz Fox News has set these ppl up so that nothing trump could ever do wasn’t already “done” to him.

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u/mortalcoil1 22h ago

Cry-bully tactics.

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u/momlv 1d ago

I think they think they are doing this before we do, not that we’re already doing it. Serious mental gymnastics but it speaks to how scared and fearful they are. It’s sad and pathetic and also totally destroying the country.

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

The fucked part is that with a country this size and decades of history, it’s SO easy to find 2-3 examples of ANY behavior you’re seeking an example of… violent democrats refusing to follow laws, there is an example… lgbtq or trans commuting sexual assault will have a few as well. It’s so easy now to find examples of whatever you want. Republican does XYZ, Democrats does XYZ.

The issue is demonstrating they are isolated vs standard or norms. Human brains can’t seem to separate the two easily.

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u/kittymctacoyo 1d ago

This is their excuse for knowing their Rs are lying and spreading those lies for them. Every time I’ve asked they say it’s fine bcs it helps their cause and accuse us of “doing the same for years” and that they’re just finally catching up

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u/The_we1rd_one 1d ago

Ooooooohhh this acually explains so much

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u/ELLinversionista 1d ago

Imagine Kamala launching a shitcoin then rugpulling people. These people would probably ask for her head. But then she would never do that nor people buying the shitcoin since they don’t follow a cult leader and are not* dumbasses

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

Imagine if Kamala had been married 3 times with kids from all 3 different fathers?

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u/Hamonwrysangwich 1d ago

She didn't, and MAGA referred to she and Biden as "Joe and the Hoe" anyway.

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u/MadRaymer 1d ago

They didn't stop there. They were calling her Heels-up Harris, BJ queen, and a few other things I don't even feel comfortable typing out. There's zero evidence she "slept her way to the top" yet they believe it, because in the MAGA mind there's simply no other way a woman could achieve a position of power.

I think sometimes we forget that in addition to how openly racist much of America is, perhaps even more of it is openly sexist. There's no way to test this theory, but I think if Trump's 2024 opponent had been a black man with exactly the same qualifications Harris had, that opponent would have won (though probably just barely).

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u/Immediate-Repeat-201 1d ago

Its exactly this. MAGA women saying that she slept her way up is COPE because that's what they all had to do. I feel bad for them as fellow humans but holy shit yall fucked my country up.

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

Oh, we women are well aware of that, unfortunately.

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u/_BannedAcctSpeedrun_ 1d ago

Everyone knows the OG throat goat was Nancy Reagan.

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u/Papayaslice636 1d ago

Also the argument that women sleep their way to the top never made sense to me. If they could get to the highest positions of society, government, business, etc just by sucking and fucking a few guys (or a lot of guys) then women would be in charge of literally everything by now.

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u/Sorge74 1d ago

Not only did she sleep her way to the top, but she impressively did it while being ugly and maybe a biological man. (Hate it here, I don't think this)

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u/lonnie123 1d ago

I think there was something about her having a relationship with someone in the government while she was a prosecutor?? … but her role in politics was an elected role in CA so I’m not really sure sure how that helps get her votes anyway

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u/Zalophusdvm 1d ago

For full context it wasn’t just “someone in government.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-kamala-harrisandwillie-brownhad-a-relationshipover-adecadeafte-idUSKBN26Y2RJ/

But you’re right, she still had to get elected in her own right and they only dated briefly 30 years ago…it certainly wasn’t a case of “sleeping her way to the top.”

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u/Hopsblues 1d ago

Michelle received similar treatment.

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u/Zalophusdvm 1d ago

So, the insidious nature of this crap is that it is actually based on a kernel of truth.

Early in her career in public service KH DID date a much older VERY powerful, at the time, man in local San Francisco (where she started) and CA politics. Ie Willie Brown

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-kamala-harrisandwillie-brownhad-a-relationshipover-adecadeafte-idUSKBN26Y2RJ/

But, that was 30 years ago now. Even if we assume the worst and WB did help KH because of their relationship….that’s AT WORST, sleeping your way to the starting line…not the top. And, as you say, there’s absolutely no evidence for even THAT being true.

But she did date him…so it’s easy to spin people’s imagination up from there and feed them racist and misogynistic propaganda.

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u/ELLinversionista 1d ago

Trump is nowhere near the textbook morally good person. Also, calling someone a hoe shows exactly how these people treat women. Like I wouldn’t use that even for sex workers since it is such a demeaning word. Oh let’s not forget these people are protecting women’s sports. The Hypocrisy and Idiocy go hand in hand with these people.

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u/Corona-walrus 1d ago

Trump is actually the antichrist. Have you seen or heard that one yet? It's really quite compelling. He's the mortal incarnation of the explicit type of person we've been warned against following

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

It’s a definite possibility 

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u/GodSama 1d ago

And you have to ask yourself the moral standing of all the churches who support him.

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u/apathy420 1d ago

I tend to believe these people peaked in high school, because that is some shit angsty high schoolers would spout off. Having no real understanding of how the real world works but think they do, and are pissed off about everything.

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u/Hamonwrysangwich 23h ago

I don't know if I'd call it "peaked", more like their emotional development stopped at an early age. I went to school with a lot of these kind of people, and honestly if I hadn't left and gone to college there's a good chance I'd be like them, too. If you live in a mostly homogeneous small town for all of your life, that echo chamber becomes mighty loud.

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u/KaiserJustice 1d ago

Some who’s other parent was an immigrant who wasn’t a US citizen yet

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

Just like tRump?

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u/Notsurehowtoreact 1d ago

They straight up gave her shit for being "just a step-mother." They are ghouls. 

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

Isn’t Melania also a step mother?

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u/Notsurehowtoreact 1d ago

Marla Maples was too. 

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u/BabyStingrayJesus 1d ago

And one of those kids was conceived via extramarital affair.

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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago

And he wanted to have her aborted 

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u/Jrylryll 1d ago

She dated someone 30 years ago and they can’t get over it.

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u/3-DMan 22h ago

And repeatedly "joked" about dating her son

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u/MoonBatsRule 22h ago

I have had people tell me with a serious face that there is no way that Trump is grifting because he already is a billionaire, so he doesn't need the money.

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u/ELLinversionista 19h ago

Those people are stupid. Like it would be such a rare instance if a billionaire stopped trying to make more money. Like that’s how they became one in the first place. Human beings are never satisfied and never happy. You could be a billionaire and still envy the other super billionaire.

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u/RightClickSaveWorld 22h ago edited 22h ago

They blamed her for tricking people into thinking they were going to get a Beyonce concert. I've heard Centrists upset about that. Even though no such insinuation or expectation that a concert was happening.

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u/ColoRadBro69 1d ago

Kamala Harris is a serious person.  You expect things like ethics from her, a crypto scam would be frowned upon. 

Donald Trump isn't a serious person. The world holds him to a lower standard because he's a lower person. 

I'm not saying it's fair, I'm saying it's what's going on.

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u/discocrisco 1d ago

Trump’s entire shtick is turning corruption into a performance.

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u/Ok_Scale_4578 1d ago

“I’m smart”

With two words, trump took an entire electorate who railed against abuse of government entitlements and convinced them that like behaviors are ok as long as it benefits them. Then they raped the PPP program.

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u/SneakyDeaky123 1d ago

And also children.

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u/ramvorg 1d ago

Right!?!

It’s so obvious how trump is giving Maxwell a sweet ass deal for silence.

Everyone sees this, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFilterNews/s/JSMhgFqtZ5

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u/ThePimpImp 1d ago

I knew Intel was in dire straights, but this confirms it was so much worse than we thought. Kills the brand for me permanently though. Will be interesting to see if its saves the company or if it is just stay of execution.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

I find it funny. Trump somehow has the ability to get away with the blatant corruption and authoritarianism that Republicans have wanted to get away with for decades. George W Bush had to have a terrorist attack to even attempt this level of corruption.

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u/HotelPuzzleheaded654 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah they’ve basically let in a Trojan horse of authoritarianism but in this case the Trojan horse was made of glass.

There is no underpinning ideology beyond consolidating power and enriching himself, that’s why Trump seems to borrow from various political ideologies and the Republican Party is simply the vessel rather than the political principles/ideology.

Whole thing is so morally bankrupt in the most shameless way.

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u/monacelli 1d ago

The one thing you can give Trump credit for is that he is very transparent about his corruption

I'm thinking that's the actual play that he's running. He doesn't want to be one of the presidents that everybody forgets so he might as well go down in history for something that he's truly the best at.. He will be known as the best grifter/con man that the world has ever had to deal with and he gets to do whatever the fuck he wants in his twilight years while achieving this goal.

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u/Corona-walrus 1d ago

Remember your grandpa/grandma with dementia?

Now imagine they're a racist sleazy treasonous dictator with nearly unlimited power

That's what the rest of us get in narcissist's twilight years

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u/Ok_Series_4580 1d ago

I thought republicans HATED SOCIALISM?! /s

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u/koshgeo 1d ago

I know you're being sarcastic, but not really. They love socialism for the military, for example. There are plenty of things they love spending government money on, but then they pick and choose what they call "socialism".

Anything they don't like: socialism. Anything they do like, they never mention it.

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u/PlusScience3574 1d ago

They love socialism for the military

The military isn't socialism. Government spending isn't socialism.

Socialism is when the workers own the businesses and they keep the full value of their labor. Capitalism is when someone who doesn't work makes passive income by exploiting a worker.

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u/koshgeo 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm playing loose with the term in the same way that conservatives often do, which is to label anything paid for by taxpayers "socialism", and denigrate it on that basis.

Even in ostensibly capitalist systems with things like universal healthcare, it is often called "socialized" healthcare. Does that make the system overall "socialism"? [shrug] It depends on the definition. For example, in that situation it isn't exactly like the workers own the healthcare business and keep the full value of their labor, to use your definition. The employees are working and getting paid roughly at cost, products and services are still being bought and sold at some kind of profit (e.g., equipment and supplies), and people are paying into it collectively (via taxes). Many such systems often have a parallel private, for-profit, conventionally capitalist system.

Medicine is one element of a functioning society. How many elements do we have to tick off as government/collectively-funded before we start calling it "socialism"? It is merely that the public owns a business and keeps all the value from it? Is it some fraction of commerce in an economy that has to be that way?

Yes, there are more nuanced and correct meanings, and I am emphatically not saying your definition is wrong (sounds about right to me), but there is quite a wide range you could legitimately argue, and there are plenty of people who (mistakenly) start calling it "socialism" the moment the government is involved in anything. It is those extreme concepts that I am satirizing, which, if you applied them consistently, would mean that the government bought-and-paid-for military is "socialism".

I mean, we could decide that military defense is a private matter and people can hire military defense services on a for-profit basis if they wanted to, picking from multiple corporate options that might market their services to us. "Mom's Friendly Military Defense" versus "Big Daddy's Super Troopers" or whatever. Or maybe we could opt out of it and accept that such a person's territory might get invaded and their property forcibly taken because they didn't pay their military defense bill that month, but we generally decide not to do things that way for some reason.

I like to talk about the idea of "socialism" in this way because, clearly, when you get to the roots of it, society has decided that some things are worth collectively funding and managing. It is easier to talk about what that basis is, and where the lines should be drawn between public and private commerce, than allow conservatives to invoke a vague "socialism" boogeyman, which they can define however they want to exclude things they don't like.

Temporarily accepting their crude definition and calling the military "socialist" at least gets them thinking about what it really means. It also opens the door to talking about what should and shouldn't be taxpayer-funded, and what the principles should be, without getting hung up over the definition of the "socialism" term.

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u/DevelopedDevelopment 1d ago

I mean they always complain about government corruption, but corporate contracts literally work by providing a service as cheap as possible so everything extra the government gave you can be considered profit. Or better yet, the government stops providing that service so a company can sell you solutions directly, like healthcare.

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u/DickDover 1d ago

I mean, we always kinda knew this is how things were done but now we know this is how things are done because they just report it on the nightly news.

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u/Previous_Soil_5144 1d ago

Cynical fools

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u/conquer69 1d ago

but it’s okay if you don’t try to hide it.

They would be losing their minds if a democrat was openly corrupt.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

You are already doing them a favor by assuming they would be fair (they wouldn't) or that they are morons, which implies they don't know any better. They know very well what they are doing.

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u/carlgt64 9h ago

Yeah everything is “bothsiderism” and false equivalence with MAGA - that’s how they ignore real Epstein list awfulness with “well Biden sniffs kids’ hair.”

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u/Earth-Jupiter-Mars 1d ago

Honestly who knows, but I think part of the way we misunderstand MAGA is assuming they have assumptions.. that requires a portion of the brain to do something unassisted, idk if that’s part of the equation anymore ..

Like robots now, it’s all programming .. literally “we hate EVs”, “smaller govt”, “the left wants martial law” to “How much is the new Model Y?”, troops on the ground and personally tipping the govt via Tariffs!

Mind you, it’s only August, reprogrammed them in 6 months .. 🤣

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u/jax362 1d ago

They’re all just shitty people who get hard when they see one of their own be extra shitty

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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 1d ago

They have this assumption everyone is corrupt but it’s okay if you don’t try to hide it.

A part that's missing from this is that their assumption generally comes from shit Trump says. And Trump says it because that's exactly how a narcissist operates. They justify any action they know could be viewed as negative as just doing it because someone did it to them. Never mind any measure of nuance or anything.

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u/Rok-SFG 1d ago

They're so fucking brainwashed at this point, if he took a shit right in front of their face and told them to eat it, its good for them, without hesitation the majority of his base would of his base would gobble it up.

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u/Thormourn 1d ago

It's not an assumption. Every one of them is corrupt.

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u/AwayCatch8994 1d ago

His base worships a rapist and a pedo so the lowest of the low scum

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u/NeedleworkerSilver36 1d ago

I don’t remember that the only reason he’s getting away with any of this is because the Republican Congress Senate and house are allowing it to happen with no pushback! Pure and simple that’s the only reason this is happening otherwise he would’ve been impeached imprisoned and given a lobotomy by now!

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u/MsMarvelsProstate 1d ago

I've seen republicans interviewed about the horrible things republican politicians do and they say that they know it's bad, but at least the republicans are being honest about it unlike the democrats

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u/kent_eh 1d ago

It also relies on everyone else being passive and not interfere enough to stop him.

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u/Cool-Presentation538 1d ago

Republicans used to care about optics of nothing else, now the mask is off

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 1d ago

Trump is what all these poor morons think all rich people are like.

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u/Oberon_Swanson 1d ago

I think they know not everyone is as awful as they are, but they project their awfulness onto everyone else. I don't think they do it to justify their behaviour though, just get away with it. To them justifying something morally would be like an adult concerning themselves with staying off Santa's naughty list. They love that Trump is a fraud. They love that he raped children. That is why they trust him to enact the American Holocaust.

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u/icreatedausernameman 1d ago

he’s been a narsasistic scumbag all his life he just blames anything bad on someone else. Regardless of the transparency his maga base don’t know enough about what’s going on they’ll just buy whatever he wants to sell them.

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u/LivingDracula 1d ago

My favorite part of the entire regime is listening to Racist Karen Blondi talk about foreign threats, meanwhile she her self was a literal FARA registered foreign agent 😂

For those who don't know by now, Pam Bondi was a registered foreign agent of Qatar before representing Trump as a lawyer and defending him when he was found guilty of soliciting Ukraine of foreign intelligence on the Bidens 😂

She then got appointment to the head of the DOJ the specific organization that FARA was supposed to protect against foreign influence and in return the country offered Trump a jet for appointing their registered foreign agent as the head of our entire justice department 😂

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u/dansnexusone 1d ago

This is EXACTLY what my father-in-law said to me after he was re-elected. That it's somehow less bad if it's out in the open because everyone else is equally corrupt.

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u/ExplosiveBrown 1d ago

It relies on everyone being too complacent to do a damn thing but type into a keyboard. I’m guilty of it too

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u/Hugh-Manatee 1d ago

Or they never even encounter that claim from credible sources. The power of Fox, for example, isn’t just what they cover but what they don’t cover, omit, or reframe

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u/TricobaltGaming 1d ago

This is how it works in Russia, that's going great for them as we can all see.

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u/FlamingoFlamboyance 1d ago

The problem is that even his base that isn’t retarded, like my father who just only watches Fox News, is completely uninformed or misinformed. My Dad thinks Trumps tarrifs will solve our deficit because Trump said so. My Dad isn’t stupid, he’s just getting bad and sensational information and it’s literally making him a hateful old man.

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u/darkfires 1d ago

Yeah ok we’re all faded af, but really… China is where it is because that system chooses people who can pick the winners, no? Anyone feeling Intel is the company that should be setting a new precedent?

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u/KwisatzHaderach94 1d ago

it's become abundantly clear why he loves the uneducated...

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u/StopForcibleTransfer 1d ago

Trump is likely buying it to put pressure on INTEL to install eaves dropping software via ME / Microcode on every INTEL chip made since 2008. Likely not a coincidence that he did it the day after meeting with PUTIN. Just so happened PUTIN passed a law at the same time requiring every Russian to install a gov’t backdoor on their phones. Kind of makes sense right?

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u/TiredOfBeingTired28 1d ago

Not even total morons. Good trained dogs that their team can do no wrong, other team is the devil and do no right. And trump is their team so he do no wrong.

For if he did they might have to say they were wrong about him and would sooner see the end of all that is America than deal with the nanosecond of being wrong.

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u/Hillbilly_Boozer 1d ago

Well that and Republicans being just as corrupt and morally bankrupt otherwise Trump would have been long impeached. They approve of all of this. 

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u/LoneWolf_890 1d ago

I totally agree. It seems like he has stopped giving fucks ever since he got re-elected. Mostly, the corrupted politicians try to play it safe by laying low with their corruptions but Trump does the complete opposite. He gets attention and somehow uses it to build upon his power which might not be what people want, but it nevertheless is what they're getting.

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u/notmyreddit34 1d ago

It’s the underlying corruption that they don’t mention or the stories that do come out and get buried by the lead story for 24hours, those are the things that bother me. His base doesn’t question, what is he doing behind closed doors, what about the meetings we don’t know about, the deals we don’t know about, the influence that is bought via Mar a Lago membership, etc.

They say, “he is exposing DC corruption that we knew was there” and that is good enough for them, he feeds them just enough to make sure they don’t get hungry enough to snap at him. He is Scar from Lion King, I hope to see the day he doesn’t have anymore scraps the satiate their appetites while his kingdom burns around him.

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u/E-2theRescue 1d ago

They absolutely don't believe everyone is corrupt.

They only believe the left and "RINOs" (excommunicated cultists) are corrupt. That's it.

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u/Extension-Lab-6963 1d ago

He’s a scumbag but he’s an honest scumbag; honest is relative in this context.

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u/Ghiren 1d ago

...it relies on his base being total morons.

They have yet to disprove this idea. In fact, they reinforce it with every decision he makes.

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u/redyellowblue5031 1d ago

Start around 49 minutes. He literally discussed how he openly bribed for favors to most of the folks on stage.

And because he said that, he’s somehow the one you should trust to…not…be corrupt?

Right.

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u/sup_lea 1d ago

Shame had long been declared unconstitutional.

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u/Environmental-Bug358 1d ago

Lol, stop calling them his base and label them what they actually are: Americans. 

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u/Veedran 1d ago

How is this corruption? Corruption would be bailing out the company with free money because of bribes under the table. This is him using the fact we already gave Intel 5 bil in 2022 and 3 bil in 2024 so by making that be in exhange for shares in the company it gives a way for the US government to get that money back. Am I missing something?

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u/Cututul 1d ago

Not saying that he is not corrupt, he is, but how is the Intel thing an example of that?

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u/AverageLiberalJoe 1d ago

They dont believe in corruption. Its a different thing. They believe in a tiered society. Its not corruption when the people who are 'supposed to be in charge' are doing it. Laws and morals and rules are for the people who are 'supposed to be ruled'.

This is why Trump is a champion to them.

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u/Bigthinker1985 1d ago

His base? I think it’s more than half the population. It’s almost as if it’s like, not hiding it is saying this is ‘normal’. Compared with gaslighting where is like no you’re crazy we’re not doing that.

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u/sailphish 1d ago

It’s sad but true. Most of the MAGA types I know are completely OK with it. They don’t care about cheating as long as you are winning, and they still believe Trump is winning for them (hint… he’s not).

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u/postinganxiety 23h ago

There’s also a decent amount of denial. I was arguing with a Trumper irl recently and he called me a liar for saying Trump was selling watches, then defended the plane gift because “he’s giving it to the US”!

But yes, when they are backed into a corner they will usually say corruption is ok because everybody does it.

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u/Pinkybleu 21h ago

Why hide it when it was already confirmed he got immunity from everything as president?

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u/milelongpipe 19h ago

Plus, it’s ok if the liberals are the ones who suffer.

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u/Stop_The_Crazy 16h ago

I give him credit for tapping into stupid. He did that more effectively than anyone could have imagined.

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u/MelkorTheMighty 11h ago

Yes be like Gavin and hide it

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