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u/TacticlTwinkie 1d ago

That’s the thing. They are thoroughly convinced that the other side is already doing all these things. In their mind, they are just fighting fire with fire.

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

They're telling on themselves. They think everybody else is doing it because it's exactly what they'd do given the opportunity.

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u/Drolb 1d ago

It’s fucking wild how awful these people must be internally, and how horrible they must be to know and interact with.

Like it’s one thing to be cynical, I’m cynical a lot of the time

But to be so far off the scale of terrible people that you fully believe all people are bastards all the time and will always screw everyone over at every opportunity you’ve got to be a real piece of shit. I’m talking sloppy steaks level piece of shit.

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u/No-Mark4427 1d ago

The one thing I find most scary and most fascinating about most people, including myself, is how unbelievably easy it is for anyone to convince themselves that anything is true or OK. Even if it means they are a massive hypocrite, its super easy to simply switch that off and say 'nah its different for me'

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u/1-800PederastyNow 1d ago

I agree. Anyone that says they would never have been a Nazi is deluding themselves, there is nothing inhuman about Nazis and that's why they're so terrifying. With just the wrong upbringing...

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u/Senior-Albatross 1d ago

Nazis were quintessentially human, actually. That evil is within all of us was the lesson. Unfortunately, not wanting to acknowledge difficult truths and replacing them with nonsense is also within all of us.

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u/Canadian-Man-infj 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

Philosopher Hannah Arendt coined the term "banality of evil" and it's exactly what you're describing.

She found that they weren't "evil" necessarily and not even that intelligent; they were just obedient underlings doing what they were told to do...

In the end, they were just "doing their job."

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u/el_muchacho 1d ago edited 1d ago

Basically when society tells them something that was once unacceptable is now acceptable, most people don't think twice and it becomes their new normal. This is why propaganda channels like Fox are so dangerous. You can see the shift year after year towards fascism and what was inconceivable only a decade ago is now accepted and will eventually become the norm. What Nazism taught us is, there is no bottom to this process, even in a society we call "civilized".

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u/Lil_S_curve2 1d ago

My fucking father summed up.

I hate this ride.

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u/ComprehensiveSoft27 1h ago

Ew he was fucking when he said that?

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u/BuckThis86 1d ago

Nazism and fascism occur when fear and greed take the place of care and love

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u/Anxious-Depth-7983 18h ago

It takes place when sociopathic children are encouraged instead of disciplined. Phrases like "boys will be boys" come to mind. Or "that's just Trump being Trump."

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u/xpdx 1d ago

Nazi Germany was absolutely swimming in methamphetamine. Soldiers took it, housewives, police, bakers, and the fuhrer himself had quite the habit going too. Pervitin it was called, although Mr. Hitler got injections of the really good shit from his doctor.

Yes they were humans and all humans have the capacity for evil, but truckloads of meth sure does help push it over the top.

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u/SunyataHappens 1d ago

Millions of doses used during the Nazi blitzkrieg through Poland into France.

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u/overkill 23h ago

The book "Blitzed" by Norman Ohler is an excellent exploration of both of these subjects. The subtitle of it could be "Were the Nazis crank fueled meth heads?" and the answer is "largely, yes".

They even had meth laced chocolate called Hausfrauenschokolade for housewives so they could do their housework at super speeds.

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u/entropicdrift 23h ago

Yeah, good thing nobody's on meth or other stimulants for one of the most commonly diagnosed disorders in the US

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u/goldenstudent 23h ago

Valid, but from personal experience other stimulants don't have the same degenerative effects and if you have ADHD and take modern prescriptions correctly it pharmakinetically makes people "normal" not meth goblins.

🌈The more you know🌈

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u/s_4_evrysing 1d ago

Jesus what a hauntingly strong comment

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u/Martial_Brother_Wei 1d ago

That evil is within all of us

speak for yourself and yourself only, thanks.

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u/calgarspimphand 22h ago

As an engineer and a history buff, I always thought about what it would have been like for engineers at places like BMW or Krupp to keep working on weapons even after the Nazis had revealed their full evil. How could one do that?

And so I am now unemployed, because at this point in American history I refuse to continue working in the defense industry.

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u/Bakoro 1d ago

The actually scary thing is that the ideology might not be totally wrong, it's just that they have it twisted.

Look at the history of slavery: it was the law of many countries for centuries, yet the entire time there was a small group of people who fought against it on behalf of the slaves, for no other reason than they thought it was the right thing to do. A small group of people, promoting ethics and compassion, in spite of their whole society.

Look at all the movements and seligions that got started over millennia which basically said "let's stop being shitty to each other and just work together, and let people be."
And then they get ostracized and killed for that peaceful message.

Maybe some people just are born better. In all recorded nations, among all "races", across time, some small fraction of people just seem to be born better than everyone else, and they drag the whole world into a slightly less shitty direction.

Nazi shitheads are the other end of that spectrum, the people who think they are better, based on nothing, and use that as an excuse to lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and subjugate.

And all the people in the middle who just do whatever the closest person says to do.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 16h ago

Some people believe that "good" or "bad" is something you are, and others believe it is what you do.

If good is defined by what you do, then you need to do good things in order to be a good person. If good is simply something that you are, then no amount of bad deeds can take that away from you.

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u/Bakoro 13h ago

Most people have goodness and badness inside.
Having it doesn't mean you are it.

There are no "good people" who continually and willingly conduct evil deeds.
Nobody is good because the merely have thoughts of selflessness and charity.
Someone who never acts out their worst inner thoughts and impulses isn't evil for having the thoughts and impulses, they're just in possession of an evil aspect.

Good people don't go along with evil out of convenience or self-interest.
Good people do good things when there is no reward for doing it, even if it costs them something.
Even in situations where they are under threat of violence, good people either stand up to evil people anyway, or they find ways to continually undermine evil.

People who have greatness in them are proactive in their efforts, and are able to convince other people to do the same.

If you only do good things when it's easy, convenient, and/or free, that doesn't make you a particularly good person, you're just an average schlub who isn't actively evil. That's most people. Most people just go along to get along, and like to think of themselves as being "good people" just because they aren't aggressively evil.

It's not just about "good" or "bad" though, I'm saying that maybe some people are just objectively better humans who are extremely effective at being whoever they are, good or bad.

There are people are born into an inequitable system who don't accept inequity, slavery, vapid bigotry, or short-term-only thinking, who are able to set successfully balance their self-interest against the well-being of others in a sustainable way, and who are able to motivate others to do good.

We have sociopaths and narcissists who are excessively self-interested, and who go out of their way to hurt people.
Why couldn't there be people on the opposite end of the spectrum who have the best qualities of humanity in abundance, and that compels them to action?

That's an uncomfortable proposition, because we love the story that "anybody can be a hero" and "anybody could be great".
Historically, it sure as hell seems like movements coalesce around individual figures and then collapse when those people are gone.
It sure as hell seems like society is consistently being moved by small groups of unusuallly effective people, for good and ill.

I don't think anyone wants to entertain the idea that we're all side characters in a narrative that is being driven by people who have a "main character" trait.

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u/Educational-Site4639 19h ago

You’re just ONE step away from having a breakthrough in admitting you have the inclination to default into “an asshole” setting when confronted with the notion of being hypocritical or contradictory. Your close! You can do it! 😉👍🏾

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u/DavidL21599 1d ago

I love the simplicity and irony of your comment…Bravo!

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you wholeheartedly. But...

A lot of people are products of their environment.

Some people believe all people are bastards because everyone they've ever known has been a bastard.

It's not necessarily a MAGAT's fault they are the way they are. Maybe Dad beat him in the name of God, his older brother stole all his food, and the only media on ever was Fox news.

And then Introspection is hard, even for a lot of very smart people.

(Let me post-script this with 'Fuck all Republicans')

It's whatever's going on in our culture that's the carcinogen. MAGA's just a tumor that's metastisized.

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u/cantadmittoposting 1d ago

It's whatever's going on in our culture that's the carcinogen. MAGA's just a tumor that's metastisized.

yeah i think a lot about how ubiquitous peer to peer global communication (i.e. internet, social media) exposed existing cultural rot, versus how much of that rot was introduced by this reactionary right wing growth.

 

Prior to widespread internet, i think many of the "middle american conservative evangelicals" may have legitimately been unaware how outdated bigoted their whole culture basically was.

So they showed up to "the internet" and got absolutely inundated with all these supposedly awful or immoral cultures sort of openly just existing and posting, and got metaphorically punched in the face with a rejection of their insular religious bigotry.

 

So religious and conservative strategists of course jumped on that fear, and weaponized it, and also, via botnets and paid influencers and all that other jazz, recreated the safe space on social media networks by overloading algorithms with "safe" messaging.

so people like poor innocent grandma now logs on to facebook and thinks all is right with the world again because she sees AI generated croissant jesus instead of second cousin billy's pride parade photos from the big city. And the angry people get a whole tiktok algo convincing them they're "winning."

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u/mmlovin 1d ago

I’m starting to think the internet in general is a mistake. I mean, I’ve known that about social media for a while, but idk man the internet seems to have started to reverse humanity’s progress backward.

All scientific studies say humans are more lonely than ever, it’s a health crisis. That’s humans existing right now. All the studies say none of us like to online date, that we don’t know how to make friends without relying on social media. Like the majority of us would rather be talking to people in the coffee shop, but we aren’t cause we’re all on our phone in the coffee shop. It’s nuts to me. It’s actually changing our brain development.

Like I’m 34, I remember what it was like to have to be present in the real world all the time without a computer world to escape to. You HAD to be with people. & I’m lonely as shit & rely on the internet for socialization cause of depression.

Now what does is a lonely 34 year old look like 30 years from now? Someone who literally never had to have that human interaction to have relationships?

TLDR: The cons of the internet are getting really close to outweighing the pros & it’s being reflected society

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u/Ok-Primary6610 1d ago

The "time before the Internet" wasn't all gravy train. Some of us don't live around people where we fit in. As a geek, growing up in the late 80's and through the 90's had its rough moments. Now try being a POC, non religious, pansexual AND a geek. Pretty much everything that the right hates and "normal" people made fun of. Imagine how lonely that was before being able to find similar people online to talk to. Something to think about.

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u/Pseudonymico 1d ago

Disagree. It's all down to the shitty social media platforms, not the internet itself. It can be an absolute lifeline if you can't just get out of the house and keep up with the kind of social life you could manage as a relatively healthy 20-something or just a random student with no responsibilities. Overworked in a shitty job, stuck home looking after kids, disabled, elderly, moved away from your friends by life circumstances, a persecuted, isolated minority, or even just too damn introverted for it to be worth it to go out? The internet absolutely made all those things easier to keep socialised enough with before social media companies decided to ruin their products to make line go up.

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u/mmlovin 1d ago edited 1d ago

Like I said, there are absolutely pros. I don’t mean to sound cold hearted, but the cons have now outnumbered them.

It also gives suicidal people advice on how to kill themselves. They even can be encouraged by online strangers. Or someone previously completely happy can be driven to suicide by online bullying. It enables lonely people’s behavior, & even spreads it to people not lonely. There were ways for people like you are describing to interact with the world, with phones & snail mail. But the reality is they are in the minority. The cons have now infected the majority of the population. It’s actually begun to make society worse.

The internet used to make people more informed, everything you wanna know at your fingertips. You can take free online college courses, you can learn skills like art & carpentry & mechanics. You can even learn a new language. You can be an expert on current events. Now it brings criminals together like pedophiles. Now child pornography is shared around the world, & will never be eradicated. Those victims are permanently on the internet.

But now it’s turned the truth into being subjective & having the “facts” you want to believe confirmed by others. A big chunk of the population now lives in an alternate reality. It used to be we all agree on a set of facts, & the debate was how to solve problems. Now we are actually arguing about what is true. AI is going to make all of this even worse. Like, SO much worse we can’t even imagine it right now. It’s gonna be like the damage caused by the creation of the nuclear bomb. The internet has ceased to make society better, it’s all downhill from here.

I used to think if Trump is ever gone, things will calm down. But..it won’t. Why would it? The mindset is already entrenched. Each administration is going to get more & more extreme. The wedge is going to get wider & wider. How could we possibly fix this?? One side is not going to just come back to reality.

It’s just so sad. The ones in control are not reflective of most of us. Most of us want to get along & have our leaders just compromise & admit when they are wrong. Act like the human beings they are when no audience is watching. But it just doesn’t wind up that way. & it won’t.

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u/Pseudonymico 1d ago

It's disturbing how the impractical fantasy you seem to prefer is, "sacrifice a bunch of regular people including the one you're directly replying to" as opposed to, "stop like 8 guys from making everyone's life worse so they can keep feeling like big men."

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u/mmlovin 1d ago

Huh? What 8 guys? I was talking about a giving philosophical opinion about the internet & how human nature has warped a tool that should have advanced us overall as a society. Now it’s doing the opposite. In an ideal world, no one would have to rely on the internet to have social connections. But that’s impossible, so we have to go by what helps the majority overall. Thats my opinion.

& I think the internet, overall, has become a negative influence. It’s deteriorating every facet of society. It’s sounds like your opinion is different. I’m part of that group btw, I don’t have any friends lol & the internet has enabled me to isolate myself from the world. I even gave you a list of reasons of why it also harms the same people in that group.

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u/NiceTryWasabi 1d ago

That's the crazy part, with all of the power of information available at their fingertips, it's caused people to double down on their localized beliefs since clearly everyone else is crazy. There's no way that their entire life has been a farce.

Every openly MAGA person I've met has been the least traveled or diversified in their upbringing. They simply cannot accept that their lifelong opinions are wrong. There is no logic, just pure hatred for someone telling them that nana was a piece of shit.

There is a very strong correlation with big city's and democrats. Because they have legitimately known people of other colors and class that are good people. It flips the script real quick.

Farmer John who married his high school sweetheart and never moved out of the 5,000 person town can't even fathom anybody else being an equal. It's disgusting. The few who I grew up with that leaned right moved out to the country where nobody knows any better. And guess what? None of them have ever had a passport.

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u/Standard-Fail-434 1d ago

You mention the internet and right wing has used bot farms etc to push messaging. Are we doing that? If not, why not?

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u/TBANON_NSFW 1d ago

Its because they are addicts.

And Hate is their choice of drug.

Hating can literally release endorphins, dopamine and serotonin to deal with the stress that comes from how they perceive their world to be.

Fox news has spent decades dosing the people with daily sprinkles of hate. They create the stress first by presenting absurdly out of context if not totally fabricated viewpoints and issues, then follow those stress inducers with hateful rhetoric that allows the viewers to get both the urge and release in one sitting. Its why its something old people have on 24/7 in their homes. Not the millions of movies and tv episodes, but fox news running 24/7... ITs why young people flock to social media personalities and joe rogan. They do the same, they give them a series of stress inducers and then follow it up with the release through hating minorities and woke and socialism and dei and whatever acronym or group they decide is at fault at the moment.

And everyone enjoys a little hate. Have you ever watched a movie, or seen a game, or heard a song and just disliked it, like you cant understand why others would like it, or you watch segments on daily show or olivers show and get angry but also get a release from them making fun of these things and people, then you go online and read someone sharing that opinion or talk with your friends and they also agree it sucks, it feels good right. You feel justified you feel acknowledged you feel a little happy.... relaxed....

Now imagine that amped up to 1000.

BUT over time people become numb to the hate, it becomes normalized just like anything in excess would do.

UNTIL Trump came along and gave them a new level of amygdala hits like they were taking fent laced crack cocaine straight up their buttholes. And once they got that taste of that kind of high....

Ooooo boy, its like trying to convince your neighborhood crack addict with no teeth and rotting toes that he should stop hitting the pipe x 1000 because their crack is everywhere around them 24/7, its on the radio when they wake up and go to work, its around the office and during lunch breaks, its on their doctors waiting rooms, in their grocery stores, in their gyms, even when they hang out, they talk about how much they love their hate crack cocaine so much, they love to share and boof each others buttholes. They spend their nights before sleeping just taking another hit, so they can dream about their hate. Heck they even go to churches that preach that hate.

To help someone who is brainwashed and inside a cult, you need to take that person away from the cult first and foremost. But like i just wrote, they are surrounded by it everywhere. And with Fox News and Sinclair media owning almost all local news stations, and the rise of social media hate peddlers, its pretty much impossible to reach them.

Trump could literally rape a child on 5th ave in front of every news station and joe rogan and instagram social media influencers, and they would still vote for him next time and find a way to justify him raping a child in front of their eyes and in turn their voters agreeing and blaming the child or democrats or biden or obama.

Because they are addicts. They want their hit of hate no matter what.

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u/Lil_S_curve2 1d ago

Write a book.

Not because I'm talking shit, but because you have shit to say worth hearing.

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u/Anxious-Depth-7983 18h ago

Why else would they be trying to kill PBS, i.e., Sesame Street? Can't have too many children being taught not to continue being psychopaths and learning how to be compassionate. I wonder what was on in the Trump household while little Donnie was pulling the wings off of flies.

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u/NiceTryWasabi 1d ago

Gave you an up vote, but you've got to tone it down a little bit or your point will get lost in the mess. The most outspoken opinions filled with name calling shenanigans and extremism shut my brain off to the point I couldn't even read your entire post.

Just dial that notch back to an 8.

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u/TBANON_NSFW 1d ago

you a bot? where the fuck is the namecalling? actually never mind not gonna waste time with bots. blocked.

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u/DIRTYDOGG-1 1d ago

Good save there at the end ...cause for a moment there ....

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u/crankisaurusrex 1d ago

Thank you for your contribution.

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u/Super_VisorJLaForge 1d ago

Was thinking the same....Excellent take thanks for the hit.

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u/Chrontius 1d ago

Some people believe all people are bastards because everyone they've ever known has been a bastard.

I was a misanthrope until college for a reason…

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u/Monty_Bentley 1d ago

Fred Trump has a lot to answer for.

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u/ToHallowMySleep 1d ago

This is easily studiednwithout going into guesswork or wishful thinking.

The main watershed was Reagan, under whom tons of protections were removed (e.g. the requirement of news outlets to give facts, not opinion) and the stage was set for the mega rich to start attaching themselves like ticks and sucking it dry.

This is just an acceleration of that.

There was a good link to a better comment than mine on this subject on r/bestof yesterday.

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u/Uristqwerty 1d ago

Empathy requires a mental model of other people. Social media gave people a way to self-select into cliques whose main source of training data about what others feel is each other repeating "Those people think...". Is it any wonder bigotry's so common these past few decades?

People are suffering from late-stage model collapse.

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u/Valdotain_1 1d ago

It’s telling that most of these people being products of their environment are religious church goers, a questionable upbringing.

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u/Deadlymonkey 1d ago

I don’t think it’s that, I think it’s more so that their evaluation of themselves is incredibly high and this is a convenient explanation to justify why their views/values may not be as popular as they want to believe.

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u/npc4lyfe 1d ago

This is correct.

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u/el_muchacho 1d ago

More like they need to convince themselves that what they know is wrong and want to do is okay because the other side does it (it doesn't).

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u/dprism 1d ago

You are getting to the core of it. Projection is a specific psychological mechanism for people who lack empathy. Consider that such a person cannot understand how other people think, let alone that they could think differently. All they can do is project the way they think onto others.

Another important point is that the lack of empathy is a mental symptom that can spread, as it has in every cult and fascist/authoritarian state throughout history. Good luck out there.

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u/wfmbrian 1d ago

Hair all slicked back. Not mine, this is pushed back.

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u/JugdishSteinfeld 1d ago

Trump's is more pushed about than anything, what does that indicate?

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u/Bruins8763 1d ago

Sloppy steaks

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u/Sensitive-Orange7203 1d ago

I’ve interacted with so many of these people over the years. They’re not tortured internally, they’re perfectly happy.

Their general knowledge is so poor that they’re not able to connect the dots and see the big picture, plus they live in the moment and so they don’t really worry about the future of the country. They don’t have any anxiety about the state of the country or signs of rising fascism because this is all meaningless noise to them.

They don’t look inward and self-examine. They live shallow lives only thinking day by day. Work, leisure, friends, food, living in the moment. If they’re ever forced to think about a policy issue, they default to whatever their side says about it.

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u/wowaddict71 1d ago

There is a long history, scratch that, all throughout the history of humanity, there have been people like this. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we are willing to reach out to them, whilst they just want to wipe us from the face of the earth.

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u/waltwalt 1d ago

It's called a low-trust society and it's the last step before dissolution.

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u/HighburyOnStrand 1d ago

Like it’s one thing to be cynical, I’m cynical a lot of the time

The word you are looking for is venal.

There's a wide gap between cynical and venal.

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u/templethot 1d ago

I’m worried the American electorate thinks people can’t change

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u/VoidOmatic 1d ago

If you look at dumbasses like Charles Manson they literally think like that. They thought that if they killed Sharon Tate we would all finally stop pretending to be nice law abiding people and we would just all go out and kill each other and burn everything down.

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1d ago

It’s fucking wild how awful these people must be internally, and how horrible they must be to know and interact with.

dont worry, all the geniuses on reddit have assured me that as soon as these people go to college, they'll be completely different.

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u/ogbellaluna 1d ago

these people are absolutely miserable; and rather than taking stock and trying to get themselves and their lives sorted, they blame their inadequacy and misery on everyone else.

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u/I_Boof_Fent 1d ago

Probably have spiked hair, itty bitty jeans, eating chicken spaghetti at Chicolini's

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u/prarie33 1d ago

There are only 2 types of people to a politician: tools and enemies. Read "The Prince" by Machievelli- been this way a long long time

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u/Bakoro 1d ago

Just look at the geographics and demographics. These shitty people are clustered together, so, yeah, most of the people they know are awful, horrible people. They make a terrible place to live and make each other miserable, and then spin the tale that everywhere else must be worse, because clearly they can't be the problem.

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u/Gloober_ 1d ago

One of my coworkers was convinced our state lottery tax was more than enough to fund our education system every year. I pulled up the stats and showed that it could only fund a single semester with the revenue the tax has generated since being implemented (it's been at it for several years now).

Her solution was to spend even less on education.

We live in Mississippi. And she wants to spend even less on education than we already do.

She also believes that we don't need federal funding (welfare funded by blue states) or state income taxes. Around 66% of the state's budget comes from those two things. Not according to her.

I can't fathom being so stupid. So inexplicably, irredeemably dumb.

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u/Niceromancer 1d ago

It is incredibly wild how awful these people are.

They defend pedofiles as long as those pedofiles stroke their egos.  Or are in preordained positions of power

And no I'm not talking about trump.

When a local pastor is caught fucking kids a significant portion of their conservative base will just flat out refuse to accept it.  Even when it's their own kids.

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u/monstroustemptation 1d ago

It’s why when I go grocery shopping in WV I feel disgusted by my peers in there shopping with me. I have RBF to the moon and back. Everyone else looks just as miserable honestly

Like why is a 12 pack of soda 11 bucks. Fuck that. Haven’t bought a 12 pack in months

I know it’s bad but we’ve switched to 2 liters and we don’t drink as much pop now because of that :)

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u/dereksalerno 22h ago

Glass house? White Ferrari? Live for New Year’s Eve?

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u/xporkchopxx 20h ago

they suck and they know it. instead of figuring it out they do all this bullshit

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u/ComprehensiveSoft27 1h ago

Trump Steaks

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u/littlesisterofthesun 1d ago

They can't stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water though.

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u/psylomatika 1d ago

Didn’t you watch house of cards? lol fktco

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u/Beautiful-Web1532 1d ago

Putting ketchup on an overcooked steak kind of evil.

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u/dcrico20 1d ago

For the most part they've been told their entire lives that anybody left of Reagan has been doing this kind of shit.

The right has built a permission structure for this kind of authoritarian regime for decades through relentless agitprop while the media manufactured consent with relentless enlightened centrism, false equivalencies, and nuance poisoning.

And while this was happening, the Democratic party fully succumbed to corporate capture, leaving no actual opposition in Washington to fight this fascist takeover.

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u/ultimapanzer 1d ago

Yeah, it’s called projection. The “every accusation is a confession” idea is very much reality with these people. Everyone should be concerned by how often they accuse democrats of being pedophiles…

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u/a30dayfreetrial 1d ago

It's similar to when they accuse someone of "virtue signaling", as if it's just performative, because they don't have and can't imagine anyone having those virtues, and therefore no one does.

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u/Lyshavskilden 1d ago

This 100%. Trump will often blame others for what he has done himself or could imagine doing himself. Rigging election is one. He either done it in the past, and if not he is already planing for it in the future.

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u/dekadense 20h ago

It feels exactly like that ex girlfriend that kept accusing me of cheating on her only to find out that she was cheating on me...

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u/Oberon_Swanson 1d ago

That's why they're cool with Trump raping children.

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u/CiDevant 1d ago

Yes but for real.  They treat these things like farting.  Like Everyone does it but you don't talk about it in  public.  To them everyone is rasict but some people just deny it.

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u/skeptic9916 1d ago

A thief thinks everyone steals.

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u/FateUnusual 23h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/caligirl_ksay 1d ago

Exactly. Horrible people think all people are horrible. When someone tells you that everyone cheats it’s because they cheat, not because they know everyone.

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u/Fearithil 1d ago

Trump and his team only offer "simple" solutions to complex problems they don't understand.

Can't find a job?

It's because of the woke or the immigrants. Or You're discriminated against because you're white, and ultimately, it's the others who are racist. Or Immigrants steal jobs and eat dogs.

Are you sick? Vaccines cause a form of HIV...

The United States must reaffirm its greatness ?

We're going to shit on our allies and impose taxes everywhere to make it clear who's boss (while it will impact the lives of every American, especially the weakest)

Everything is simplistic to an extreme.

With logic like this, we're going to manipulate the masses.

Find ways to overcome the fears and anxieties fueled by influencers like Rogan and Fox News.

The goal is to seize power and, behind it, make money.

This is the primary goal for Trump and his troops. It's easy to see how the ideology of MAGA leaders ultimately serves their wallets.

To ease their consciences, they pretend to be fervent believers, while the leaders pushing for these repressive laws have only one goal: fewer rights and more money for the rich.

This is also why the Epstein case was initially pushed to the forefront.

Democrats are pedophiles. Another easy solution to win votes.

Ultimately, once in power, they impact those involved, or those who support the MAGA movement financially, or judges, and they will then go back on their words and bury the Epstein case.

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u/satanscondiments 1d ago

"I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero."
-Penn Jillette

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u/Transporter5000 1d ago

They think everybody else is doing it because Trump has been laying the groundwork for years by telling them that everybody else is doing it.

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u/CupcakeWizardz 1d ago

Do…do you not think democrats do all the same stuff? Like, look at the current election in NYC. Cuomo and trump are straight up collaborating right now—and all congressmen have the same sponsors. They all lobby against the same exact people, do all the same insider trading (generally speaking.) and send all the same missiles to the Middle East.

Granted, I absolutely think democrats are overall better. But come on, it’s all the same game to most of these people

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u/HeldnarRommar 1d ago

You see it with the whole gerrymandering debacle. Conservatives keep saying Dems have been gerrymandering for decades and do it more than conservatives when that’s not even remotely true and has zero basis in reality.

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u/RedditReader4031 1d ago

Search Tarrant County TX commissioner interview about redistricting maps. This clown says it with a straight face as if he’s the only correct one.

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u/ToastedWave 1d ago

It's even worse than that. Just go read the thread on r/conservative about Maxwell's comment about Trump. As soon as one of their own disagrees they completely disown them. Madness.

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u/HeldnarRommar 1d ago

Yeah that’s one of the tenants of a cult

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u/ausgoals 1d ago

It’s purposefully disingenuous.

Though it was amusing to watch people on Twitter ask Grok which party benefits most from gerrymandering and get annoyed when it replied that it was a mixed bag (and didn’t, actually, favor Democrats).

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u/Zalophusdvm 1d ago

Well…it doesn’t have ZERO basis in fact. It’s a twisted interpretation and an erroneous conclusion but there are a couple (literally 2) of democratic states just as guilty of it as the south.

https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/

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u/HeldnarRommar 1d ago

They like to use Massachussets as an example because they have a decent amount of registered republicans and no GOP representative. But they fundamentally understand districts are just based on population but also population density. There are no dense Republican areas in Massachusetts that could make a district for republicans without looking like a ridiculous snake.

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u/Zalophusdvm 22h ago

I’m a little surprised there isn’t one in Western Mass to be honest. But I’m inclined to trust my own source so 🤷

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u/HeldnarRommar 22h ago

I think Springfield being the main population center in the district makes it impossible for western Massachusetts to be a strong red, although I know a good deal of small towns lean red out there, it’s just not enough

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u/Zalophusdvm 20h ago

Ya, that all certainly makes sense. Plus the colleges out there probably make even the small towns not so uniform themselves

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u/ackermann 1d ago

Eh, the R’s are worse, but California and Illinois aren’t too far behind Texas for gerrymandering:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/i3r4tSz6tu

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u/Shrike79 1d ago

California has an independent commission that draws their maps with public input. Republican gerrymandering has given them a +13 seat advantage, this isn’t a both sides are bad issue.

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u/Conscious_Level_4715 1d ago

Really should we compare popular vote?

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u/Bellamysghost 1d ago

Yeah that’s what the projection was for. The election lies, the baby killer/pedo accusations. They were prepping for this. If I accuse you of stealing from me in front of the family all week when I finally actually steal from you the family is gonna think im retaliating vs. just being a dick.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

I think “convinced” is the wrong word, here. They just hate black people and gay people. They don’t care what Trump does, long as Black people and Gay people are disenfranchised.

My coworker was listening to a crypto bro talking about the “[gay slurs]” ruining everything just an hour ago.

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u/Silver-Bread4668 1d ago

They just hate. Full stop.

The Republican propaganda machine has tapped into that by giving them something to hate. Black people. Gay people. Immigrants. Anyone other than themselves. Anyone they are told to hate.

Even though the hatred is build on bullshit, the threat to those groups that it creates of thin air is very real and tangible. We can't not defend ourselves or our loved ones that are affected.

And so the filthy peasant class gets stuck fighting amongst themselves, even though many can clearly see the bullshit for what it' is, while the rich get richer. If I didn't hate it so much I'd say it's a pretty fucking brilliant strategy.

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u/Umutuku 1d ago

They aren't willing to challenge themselves in any way that leads to personal growth.

They still have that evolutionary desire to grow/risk/progress, but they're afraid of it.

The only way they can temporarily shake the feeling that they aren't getting better is by convincing themselves that other people are worse than them in ways that they aren't willing to risk validating.

They can't feel better about themselves so they have to feel unjustifiably worse about others in order to make themselves feel better relative to them.

Bigotry is the coward's narcotic.

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u/overlyambitiousgoat 1d ago

Pretty much.

I grew up in that rural conservative culture, and looking back on it now it's clear that my whole life in that space revolved around using hate to A) repair my own ego, and B) deepen relationships with other conservatives by bonding over our shared hatred of <insert out group>.

If you would have told me at the time that I was a hateful person, I would have sworn on a bible that you were absolutely wrong. But looking back now, it's very clear that my whole internal mental life orbited around a dense, black hole of hate and unresolved anger.

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u/broodkiller 1d ago

Perhaps the worst part is that the hate is just a means for self-enrichment for those peddling it. LBJ put it nicely and succinctly:

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

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u/the_ai_wizard 1d ago

Brother, you voted Biden. I dont think your discernment is worth much.

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u/fonistoastes 1d ago

no one cares what you think

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u/LuminalOrb 1d ago

Someone just broke down how the root of conservative reactionary thought is hate and you mention Biden? In what way did anyone who voted for Biden do it to "own the conservatives" or holding a flag up for hatred?

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u/Tall_Sir_4312 1d ago

Exactly what I have been saying. It doesn’t matter if they are uneducated or giving up public benefits or any of that. They are hate filled people and that is what moves them emotionally. To boot they are afraid of anything that challenges their hate filled views and they attack that too.

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1d ago

its absolutely wild how much of the left STILL doesn't understand this. We're literally more than a decade into trump and his fans spewing and loving bigotry and hatred, yet still there are large portions of the left who are still like..'man..i wonder what their motivation is. i'm sure going to college will fix them'

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u/SnooCompliments8967 1d ago

They have been told the "left" is doing what the right is currently doing for decades now - stealing freedom and government and building a fascist empire that's destroying the economoy for their special interests.

When you believe those are your enemies, then you deally don't care much about the moral character of the person fighting them. "Enemy of the enemy is my friend" and all that.

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u/ogbellaluna 1d ago

and women. they hate women, quite a lot.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

They do. But unfortunately, that includes a lot of women.

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u/ogbellaluna 1d ago

gender traitors.

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s not that simple. I know two separate people, neither of them racist or homophobic, and they’re both in favour of Trump because they are cynical. They make the “both sides” argument about everything. They believe all politicians are corrupt, so Trump is fine

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u/Simple-Pea8805 1d ago

I respect that you know these people. However, I didn’t know my coworker was a POS until 5 years after knowing him. I also know racists have a meme after Dragon Ball Z where they say they are “hiding their power level” by not saying bigoted shit in front of the wrong people.

So you’re probably right about those people. But I would be extremely cautious about anyone who voted for Trump being racist or homophobic.

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u/npc4lyfe 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is true. Everyone I know who is pro-Trump that I thought weren't racists, homophobes, or misogynists turned out to be at least 1 out of 3. This explains the feelings of being censored by the left because they've been self-censoring their hateful opinions all their lives because they (correctly) assume that a just society wouldn't tolerate them. Trump legitimizes their their low instinct to deeply mistrust people that are not like themselves, and if that's really true (it isn't), then everyone deep down is racist and sexist (they're not), so then why not just let white men take over (they already have, but they don't see it that way because they think they are the victims and by "take over" they really mean a full on fascist white ethnostate).

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago

Both things can be true. But it’s not just racist homophobes. This is what happens when the truth doesn’t matter. When podcasters are trusted over scientists and real journalists. Ignorance and fear will reign

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 1d ago

But it’s not just racist homophobes.

That's the primary reason. There are other, overlapping circles sure, but the singular thread that ties the majority of trump support together is white supremacy. This has been studied, documented, peer reviewed many many times.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

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u/ilikepizza2much 1d ago

How do you explain people of color also voting for Trump? Trump and the republicans preach the gospel of hatred. They say it’s okay to not have any compassion for your fellow human beings. This appeals to many people for different reasons. Trump says screw your neighbour and screw the planet. Do what’s right for you.

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u/Actual__Wizard 1d ago edited 1d ago

The problem with that: It's right wing propaganda so, they're actually just tipping their hats about their political affiliation. Those are right wingers...

Most people understand that one party supports democracy (the concept of expanding government to everyone) and the other is conservative (the concept of only allowing a tiny group of people to have power in government.)

From that perspective alone, not many people should ever consider conservatism, because it's not designed to the suit the voters. It's designed to do the opposite...

It's two completely different things and right wingers like to pretend that's not true because it obfuscates the reality that conservatism is the polar opposite of democracy...

This is the position of conservatives: They have to lie about their political party because they know it's toxic... If they want to win, their choices are: Lying, cheating, and stealing, because they'll never win on their fundamentals because fundamentally, the party shouldn't exist. It's clearly cancer to modern productive societies... The whole purpose to it is preventing society from moving forwards while some rich douchebags line their pockets.

It basically only exists just to remind us that there is giant dickheads in the world that we need to watch out for... And there they are... They flipped everything upsidedown so they put a criminal in charge of free people and they're thinking that's a good idea because they'll make more money.

Like as if they've never read any one of the get rich quick scam books... It's so absurd, people fall for the dumbest tricks...

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u/HuckleberryTiny5 1d ago

neither of them racist or homophobic

Or so you believe.

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u/Wizzle-Stick 1d ago

They believe all politicians are corrupt, so Trump is fine

i think most politicans are either corrupt or can be corrupted. the days of integrity are done because so much shit is on the table. that being said, fuck trump and what the repubs have become. if the dems are still corrupt, they are less corrupt than the repubs or are just better at keeping it hidden. repubs are just on the pole for everyone to see dancing for their dollar.

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u/BobbySpitOnMe 1d ago

I tried to bring up the blatant corruption to my family and they started what-abouting the Clintons’ speaker fees.

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u/MrSnarf26 1d ago

Yea republicans love it. We have “both sides”’d ourselves into fascism.

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u/Shirlenator 1d ago

And they think that anyone pointing out the corruption means they are hypocrites, too.

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u/Noblesseux 1d ago

A huge part of the conservative mentality is assuming that because they're terrible people, everyone else is too and thus anything they do is justified because you'd do it to them if you had a chance.

It's like the core thing behind all the great replacement stuff: "well we treated latino/black people poorly when we were in charge so they must intend to do the same thing to us".

It's the same thing with their ideas on welfare/healthcare: "well I'm lazy, selfish and unethical so I'd cheat the system if I thought I could get away with it, so other people must be doing that to".

Like a HUGE part of conservative policy is them refusing to realize that they're bad people.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

I miss the times when Obama launched a shitcoin to launder money

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u/Freud-Network 1d ago

That's funny because a California republican recently said that fighting fire with fire just burns everything down.

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u/TypeXer0 1d ago

100% their sociopathy is driven by the premise that everyone is as evil as them. They’re disgusting 

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u/Global_Crew3968 1d ago

Its because conservatives fundamentally lack empathy. They literally cannot put themselves in someone else's shoes or imagine someone might have different motivations than their own. This is why every accusation is a confession. Anything a conservative accuses someone else of, its something theyve either done, are doing, plan to do, or would do if given the chance and since *they* would do it, they assume everyone else would too. After all, *they* are good, moral christian conservatives and if *they* would sink that low, imagine what the evil left would do. Not to mention the whole "god's will" thing that can excuse literally any behavior so long as its in service to "god's will".

Dangerously insane individuals.

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u/Nerd_bottom 1d ago

That's the point of all the wild and untrue accusations Republicans throw at everyone else: accuse your enemy of doing what you intend to do, or are doing, and then your brainwashed base just sees your crimes and corruption as normal because you've tricked them into believing the other side has been doing it all along.

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u/sulaymanf 1d ago

That’s part of the Reverse Cargo Cult:

Trump administration lies constantly but doesn’t even attempt to make it seem like they aren’t lying.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this kind of cynicism was referred to as the “reverse cargo cult” effect.

In a regular cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw, hoping for the same outcome. They don’t know the difference between a straw airstrip and a real one, they just want the cargo. In a reverse cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw. But there’s a twist:

When they build the straw airstrip, it isn’t because they are hoping for the same outcome. They know the difference, and know that because their airstrip is made of straw, it certainly won’t yield any cargo, but it serves another purpose. They don’t lie to the rubes and tell them that an airstrip made of straw will bring them cargo. That’s an easy lie to dismantle. Instead, what they do is make it clear that the airstrip is made of straw, and doesn’t work, but then tell you that the other guy’s airstrip doesn’t work either. They tell you that no airstrips yield cargo. The whole idea of cargo is a lie, and those fools, with their fancy airstrip made out of wood, concrete, and metal is just as wasteful and silly as one made of straw.

1980s Soviets knew that their government was lying to them about the strength and power of their society, the Communist Party couldn’t hide all of the dysfunctions people saw on a daily basis. This didn’t stop the Soviet leadership from lying. Instead, they just accused the West of being equally deceptive. “Sure, things might be bad here, but they are just as bad in America, and in America people are actually foolish enough to believe in the lie! Not like you, clever people. You get it. You know it is a lie.”

Trump’s supporters don’t care about being lied to. You can point out the lies until you’re blue in the face, but it makes no difference to them. Why? Because it is just a game to them. The media lies, bloggers lie, politicians lie, it’s just all a bunch of lies. Facts don’t matter because those are lies also. Those trolls on Twitter, 4Chan, T_D, etc. are just having a good laugh. They are congratulating each other for being so smart. We are fools for still believing in anything. There is no cargo, and probably never was.

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u/serger989 1d ago

Had a conversation with someone at my old work about this. He agreed that Trump was pretty crazy but still liked him because to him, whatever we knew the Republicans were doing, he figured what we didn't know about the Democrats was far worse. These people think the Dems are worse because of what they DON'T know the Dems are doing. They basically use their imagination to justify... everything.

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u/cursedfan 1d ago

That’s becuz Fox News has set these ppl up so that nothing trump could ever do wasn’t already “done” to him.

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u/mortalcoil1 22h ago

Cry-bully tactics.

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u/momlv 1d ago

I think they think they are doing this before we do, not that we’re already doing it. Serious mental gymnastics but it speaks to how scared and fearful they are. It’s sad and pathetic and also totally destroying the country.

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 1d ago

The fucked part is that with a country this size and decades of history, it’s SO easy to find 2-3 examples of ANY behavior you’re seeking an example of… violent democrats refusing to follow laws, there is an example… lgbtq or trans commuting sexual assault will have a few as well. It’s so easy now to find examples of whatever you want. Republican does XYZ, Democrats does XYZ.

The issue is demonstrating they are isolated vs standard or norms. Human brains can’t seem to separate the two easily.

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u/kittymctacoyo 1d ago

This is their excuse for knowing their Rs are lying and spreading those lies for them. Every time I’ve asked they say it’s fine bcs it helps their cause and accuse us of “doing the same for years” and that they’re just finally catching up

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u/The_we1rd_one 1d ago

Ooooooohhh this acually explains so much

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u/Expensive-Site-2292 1d ago

I overheard someone at a restaurant last week say “All politicians do this. Trump is just the first one who is open with it”.

I keep seeing articles about his approval ratings tanking and even some on the right are turning on him… but I just don’t see that at all at least where I live.

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u/Devrol 1d ago

Seems like the other side are doing a bit of insider trading, and Trump is too busy with proper corrupt corruption to do any of that 

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 22h ago

And this is why Dems think they need to be squeaky clean. To draw a contrast. But in the end the Republican voters will believe what they want, regardless.

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u/Perunov 19h ago

"If we did it for our Banker friends, why can't we do it for our Intel friends? Let's do it!" mentality

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u/Irr3l3ph4nt 1d ago

Lets be real, I'm not a fan of Republicans but Democrats do this too, just in a less brazen and systematic way. They simply have the common sense of keeping their official leaders out of it.

What's astounding to me is how Trump monetizes his presidency and base like he's a greedy influencer. That's the part that has never been seen before.

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u/No_R3sp3ct 1d ago

Both sides are corrupt. Always will be, just gotta pick the lesser corrupt ones

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u/JRAP555 1d ago

Because they are. Democrats republicans they all lie cheat steal and are corrupt. If you weren’t, people wouldn’t vote for you.

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7207 1d ago

Oh the fucking irony