r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/FriendlyDrummers • 3d ago
Discussion I'd genuinely take Wired more seriously if a single person came out to say Chorus reprimanded them for not following the contract
People were cited voicing concerns of the contract. That's fair. But, there is no one who has said they've been reprimanded for not following it.
The I Had It Pod, a couple of white women (who I adore), are featured on the homepage of Chorus. They are platformed and advertised on chorus.
These ladies have lambasted the DNC, often talked about Palestine and the genocide supporting Democrats, and call out Democrats for not supporting Mamdani.
They had Mamdani in their podcast.
They had Hasan, the biggest leftist influencer in the entire world, who famously hates liberals, on. They showered him with praise.
In what world is platforming and praising Hasan propaganda for the DNC? And there are more.
One influencer has said she does whatever she wants. She interviews whoever she wants, she's told people about her membership without letting chorus know, she publicly blasts the Democrat party. She wants Cory Booker fired. She calls out their support for Israel.
There is another influencer who calls out Zionist Democrats, who is also featured on the Chorus homepage.
None of this is "pushing the party line." Even if you have issues with David's coverage of the conflict and overall support for the DNC, he's been consistent about his tone for years. A program 6 weeks old has not effected his content whatsoever.
I just feel like this is so painfully obvious.
Disclaimer: this is not to debate the Palestinian conflict. Simply the accusations of calling Chorus a Zionist program, when the content creators are adamantly against Netanyahu.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 3d ago
Stop pushing this misinformation. Our man signed no contract, even MAGA Tim Pool said Parkman makes so much money the $8k would be insulting to him.
Not even Tim Pool thinks this is a real issue! All he does is pile on us.
So stop 🛑 now and focus on getting AOC as our candidate.
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u/rjrgjj 3d ago
When did people decide 8k a month is chump change? That’s a lot of money 😂
Anyway, it’s not a real issue, people are just trying to keep the controversy going because the article didn’t do much more than piss off the usual suspects. We’re getting “What do you guys think about this here Wired article” posts practically on the hour.
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u/A_Clockwork_Black 3d ago
🤣😂🤣😂100 k a year is Chump change now. David signed on the dotted line for that chump change and agreed to keep his lips sealed.🤐🤐🤐🤐
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u/X-Calm 3d ago
Nah, Newsom/Buttigieg 2028!
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u/EnvironmentalDrag501 3d ago
Ideas like this are going to be why the democrats lose again. Go rewatch the video of Buttigieg squirming when asked about Gaza
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u/A_Clockwork_Black 3d ago edited 3d ago
😂🤣😂🤣😂 c’mon take off your team Pakman hat for a moment. Tim Pool is your objective observer who should be trusted!? Why? Why should tim pool be considered an objective voice on this subject? Did you think about it before you wrote this? You do realize Tim Pool got caught doing the exact same thing David did right? Naturally he’s gonna say there’s nothing to see here. His opinion doesn’t confirm this is a nothing burger. It confirms the opposite. Why can’t you guys just acknowledge that Pakman has a small stain on his reputation now and just say “I don’t care, I still like his show and I’m gonna keep watching,” there’s no shame in that.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 3d ago
After Newsom became Trump 2.0 I just want the Dems to get together and support Trans rights and keep the boarders open.
Pakman supports both. What more do you need to understand?
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u/Life_Caterpillar9762 2d ago
How did Newsom become “trump 2.0?” Are you referring to the social media posts that are clearly mocking trump?
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u/blud97 2d ago
The contract definitely exists. The main argument from creators who have signed have said the parts of the contract the wired article focuses on aren’t enforced. Which still raises red flags because what happens if chorus does enforce the contract?
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
It’s not like it was a secret deal under the table. If you look at the content creators I’m pretty sure they labeled it as ‘paid promotion’ if you didn’t pay attention that’s not Pakmans fault.
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u/blud97 2d ago
Chorus wasn’t paying for specific videos. They had no reason to label videos paid promotions. David Pakman never did to my knowledge and he’s admitted to being involved. If he hadn’t signed a contract he would have just said this has nothing to do with him instead he’s defended himself and chorus so we know he works with them.
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u/Agile-Music-2295 2d ago
If your getting sponsor ship you have to declare it on YouTube their extremely strict.
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u/GrumbleTrainer 3d ago
It’s a bullshit hit piece from the left.
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u/oooranooo 3d ago
From the right, posing as left - likely paid.
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u/Life_Caterpillar9762 2d ago
Ostensibly and effectively the left though. The leftists we’re talking about and who defend Lorenz think she is on the left. I get what you’re saying, and it’s very possibly true, but it just adds more confusion.
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u/oooranooo 2d ago
Unfortunately, must be lent to the conversation nonetheless. I mean, if it’s going to be the next big deal, it’s best to recognize where it’s truly coming from.
Similar to the pre-election Russian propaganda- same hallmarks and methods being employed by the right - and hypocriticized to the absolute max.
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u/Always_Scheming 3d ago
Fake news you say? Hmmm :0
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Do you think fake news doesn't exist?
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u/cock-merchant 3d ago
Are you saying the Wired article is fake news?
Can you be specific? Which assertion(s) in the article are false?
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Saying "bullshit hit piece" =/= fake news.
I'm not saying it was fake news. But it's obviously a hit piece, which I think is filled with selective outrage and intentionally inflammatory rhetoric. Which is bullshit.
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u/rjrgjj 3d ago
Which is basically how fake news works. It’s grounded in some sort of defensible truth and the people defending it scream hysterically “prove it isn’t wrong! Prove no Haitian has ever eaten a dog or a cat or a pet in his or her life!”
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Do you know what yellow journalism is?
There is reporting, and then there is an op-ed that is intentionally fear mongering. It's hilarious you think this op-ed has journalistic integrity.
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u/MizukageQB 3d ago
They are hacks and grifters. They see the Democrats as more evil and corrupt than the GOP. Stop justifying or explaining yourself
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u/wade3690 2d ago
I haven't seen anyone dispute the facts of the article and Wired is a reputable news organization. I wish Pakman would go into the details of the reporting and dispute any of that.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 2d ago
It's yellow journalism. That in itself is unethical.
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u/wade3690 2d ago
It's accurate journalism and Wired has issued no corrections despite the backlash.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
His coverage of the Palestinian genocide is non-existent.
For months. He's been like that for months and months and months. Despite chorus existing for 6 weeks.
Almost like chorus
- Had no impact on his content
- Did not impact the people who call out Zionist Democrats by names all the time.
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u/xmorecowbellx 3d ago edited 3d ago
So after 10 years of being expressly anti-authoritarian and stating such countless times on the show, it took until a few months ago for you to realize he’s not for Marxism?
This is like somebody telling you they’re in PETA for a decade and then being shocked they are vegan.
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u/EnvironmentalDrag501 3d ago
Using authoritarianism as a synonym for the shadowy boogeyman of Marxism is so weak bro. Marxism is hardly an ideology, more a frame of analysis. People who want to find a better way of distributing wealth are not the ones who are plunging this country into authoritarianism, it’s weak democrats who are too scared to listen to the needs of their constituents because someone told them it’s Marxism to do so.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Lol you do have the Trump nickname mindset don't you
You can hate pakman. But you're proving my point 😂 His stances have been that since before 6 weeks ago. Chorus didn't change his tone, and it didn't change the tone of the podcast that had Hasan Piker on as they praised him.
David, maybe too liberal. Hasan, the most influential leftist in the entire world who hates liberals, supported by people in Chorus.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago edited 3d ago
You do realize Tory Lorenz is threatening to sue people, right? Like actively.
**Taylor, not Tory.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Typo. Taylor Lorenz.
Are you ok with her threats to sue people?
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Oh, so we're moving the goal post. Suddenly, "threatening to sue is like Trump" doesn't apply. Got it.
David didn't even threaten to sue. Did you watch the video? He said it would cost 6 figures and a year, with no guarantee of success. It's to address people telling him to sue.
You're just reciting talking points.
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u/Another-attempt42 3d ago
On that last point, to quote the kids.
Based and red pilled.
We should hate Marxists. Their ideology is authoritarian and their policies are horrible.
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u/Another-attempt42 3d ago
No, it's not "red scare".
MLs, tankies, etc... are inherently illiberal and undemocratic. That's why they don't believe in electoralism or fair elections.
In my system, if you want to run a communist party, you can. Go for it.
Under socialist/communist systems, you can't.
You, the electorat, can't be trusted with that burden, and it's "counter-revolutionary".
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u/Fluffy_Analysis_8300 3d ago
How could chorus exist for 6 weeks when there's a TikTok of David talking about them in 2024
https://www.tiktok.com/@davidpakmanshow/video/7439088346711723294
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u/oooranooo 3d ago
Who cares? The far-left and right voted (or didn’t) to sacrifice Gaza, knowingly. Why beat the dead horse? Both sides got what they wanted, either implicit or tacit.
Why make news of it? Everyone knows.
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u/Only8livesleft 3d ago
Can you provide some data on numbers of far leftists not voting and non leftists not voting?
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u/oooranooo 3d ago
I’m not going to provide the 2024 election stats and break them down for you.
“Can you provide numbers for people who don’t get counted?” You watched it happen, and want it explained to you.
I’ll say one very obvious thing - another that everyone knows. “GAZA GAZA GAZA.” - you want those numbers too?🙄
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u/Only8livesleft 3d ago
Here’s evidence showing the progressives and socialist vote the same as liberals. It’s the independents that don’t
https://socdoneleft.substack.com/p/socialists-will-overwhelmingly-vote
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u/oooranooo 2d ago
Yeah, show that to Michigan- I’m sure they’ll be happy to hear it.
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u/Only8livesleft 2d ago
Notice how you didn’t provide any evidence
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u/oooranooo 2d ago
It’s a disingenuous request. Like “Provide number of Trump Supporters who didn’t vote.” It’s a number greater than zero.
No time for stupid, if you don’t know, then you don’t. Don’t expect some person on Reddit to answer stupid questions.
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u/thehandsomelyraven 3d ago
i voted for Kamala Harris in the 2024 election but i don’t blame people who didn’t for her loss. as far as Gaza is concerned and the ongoing genocide, Harris made it very clear that there was no large foreign policy differences between biden and herself on israel. at the convention, she spoke to the need to find a two-state solution, which has been the democratic policy position since the 90s. there was no meaningful change being promised on Gaza and there’s no indication that what has come to pass would have happened any differently. perhaps, more pressure from the white house at this point, but it’s far too late.
polling shows that the genocide in Gaza has israel deeply unpopular with democratic voters. this was brewing prior to the election and it has only grown since.
much of the post mortem discussion and polling data shows that the economy was the most pressing issue for voters and that they viewed Trump stronger on the economy. obviously that’s stupid and most of the experts were telling us that his tariffs and other economic proposals would be disastrous, but Harris was not able to communicate an effective alternative. again, she defaulted to no meaningful difference in policy between herself and Biden.
the rhetorical strategy the democrats used the last election cycle failed. the “save democracy / defeat fascism” wasn’t compelling for people. “the economy is good, actually” wasn’t enough to convince people. and now, people are unhappy with the democratic response to what Trump, his admin, and republicans in congress are doing. if EVER there was a time for people to the left of the democratic party to vocally disagree and leverage whatever power they can to have the party adopt more socialist or socialist dem position, that time is now
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u/oooranooo 2d ago
Agree with the last paragraph wholeheartedly! The days of the milquetoast moderate needs to be put to death. Moderating with fascists leads to right-leaning centrism - which is where the bulk of the party is now.
Where the Harris loss is concerned, she was black, and she was a woman. Underestimating the nation’s underlying racism and sexism/misogyny in both parties was the death knell.
I didn’t find the Democratic message necessarily compelling, but didn’t feel it needed to be- they did a great job compared to the prior 80 years.
Pushing the nation into fascism came 100% from a politically unwise and uneducated electorate- and even a lot of them are regretting that vote.
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u/LiterallyNamedRyan 3d ago
He probably doesn't talk about Gaza because he knows people like you would prefer if Hamas drove Israelis into the sea.
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u/herewego199209 3d ago
I find it funny how you guys don't do this mental gymnastics for the Pool and Rubin shit or the TYT polymarket shit.
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u/DurtybOttLe 3d ago
Pool and rubin were being paid by a foreign adversarial government. literally no one would give a fuck if prageru was giving them money to produce videos.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
I've never cared about poly market. I don't care that TYT used it. Btw, David supports Cenk anyways.
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u/DerekB52 3d ago
It isnt that tyt used polymarket, its that they took a boatload of cash from them. Polymarket is an online gambling plarform backed by right wing mega donor Peter Thiel. You should ask why Thiel wanted to give TYT a bunch of money and why they were comfortable taking it.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
That's a fine criticism to have. But the implications were that I was inconsistent.
I don't care about polymarket. David doesn't seem to care since he still associates with Cenk. Whatever your opinions on it are, I'm consistent that I do not care.
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u/FoodandLiquor28 3d ago
All those people dramatically changed their views, some cases a total 180. What values or principles has Pakman gone back on?
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u/herewego199209 3d ago
What views have the TYT changed?
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u/FoodandLiquor28 3d ago
I guess from my limited perspective (I probably watched them regularly from 2016-2021), it's mostly Ana who has changed, didn't she basically have a why I left the left moment like 4 months ago? Cenk, I'm less sure of, I do feel like he's gotten more unhinged, but it's not necessarily what we are talking about or a hill I'd die on. Even if we put TYT aside, I think my point still stands; comparing BTC and Pakman to Pool, Dore, or Rubin isn't fair.
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u/Only8livesleft 3d ago
That doesn’t even need to be the case. We know the contract has clauses with restrictions based on wired and the influencer who shared a piece of her contract. The latter said they never enforced it. Having a contract saying you can’t do something is enough to influence you even if they don’t enforce it because they could enforce it at any point.
David’s content doesn’t need to change to be influenced. Influence can prevent you from changing existing positions. For instance not everyone thought it was genocide on day one, many more do now. And even if the didn’t occur, dark money can be used to promote certain content above others like astroturfing.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
What does the contract say?
It says nothing about enforcing support for Democrats. Nothing of the sort like that.
The problematic parts of the contract, which have been criticized in the article, was that it was restrictive in how people should talk about being associated with Chorus. Which was that they were to tell Chorus ahead of when it would be brought up.
You do know that Bernie took in dark money? Oh wait, let's not talk about that. We have to have selective outrage!
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u/xmorecowbellx 3d ago
Even if this enforcement existed in any real way, trying to take a creator to court would
- likely incur legal costs on themselves greater than the money paid to the creator in the first place
- eliminate their own credibility and effectiveness overnight
- destroy any chance of anybody else wanting to join
It’s so against the vibe of what any left leaning org would want to portray.
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u/volua09 3d ago
Just because they have not done it yet, does not mean they cannot do it in the future if it is in the contract… how do you guys not get this?
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago edited 3d ago
"How do you guys" not get that so many of these content creators lambast the DNC and not a single one has had an issue?
The evidence is there. Your argument is that the evidence "might eventually happen." Yikes
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u/Alf_PAWG 3d ago
obviously at least one of them had an issue if they're leaking the contract to WIRED.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
Had an issue as in: didn't get reprimanded.
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u/Alf_PAWG 3d ago
I mean, the actual argument was that "it's written in the contract". If Chorus or one of these content creators wants to say it's all on the up and up publish the contract (redacting sensitive information obviously) and show that chorus wasn't threatening to withhold money for admitting they were getting paid and all the other claims.
Or we can just wait for discovery and the contract will get published anyways.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
The article lists the issues with the contract. Why wouldn't they speak more on it if they had more issues with it?
The I Had It Pod is a very successful podcast that doesn't need the money. And considering how often they go after the DNC, while platforming Hasan, I seriously doubt they'd feel loyalty for Chorus or money.
If they threatened to withhold money, how come no one said that's happened?
I have a contract for work that I will be fired if I curse. I curse with my managers all the time. I'm willing to bet you've signed contracts with rules often ignored
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u/cock-merchant 3d ago
Haha are you saying it’s unlikely for the contract’s author to enforce the contract? Why have them sign it at all then? Why put that wording about not telling anyone about the 1630 Fund in there? Just random stuff to pad out the word count?
Either I’m super cynical or this sub is a little naive..
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
In my contract at work it says I will be fired for cursing. I curse with my managers every day.
Do you work? I can almost guarantee you that a contract you've signed for work isn't enforced completely. And if it is, you'd see SOMEONE face repercussions for not following the contract.
What I find so interesting about people debating this is that it solidifies that there really is no argument here. I thought there could be something of substance, but there really isn't.
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u/psly4mne 3d ago
Two questions - how do you pronounce AIPAC, and why would someone lie about knowing how to pronounce it?
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u/FriendlyDrummers 3d ago
I assume A-pac. Pretty sure it's a joke. But it also has nothing to do with the Wired article, but I suppose you can't really focus on an argument you refuse to acknowledge.
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u/cock-merchant 3d ago
The “he was joking!” angle would probably work better if that were Pakman’s actual cover story for why he messed it up.
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