I feel like there is an irony here

[u/nosleepypills]

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[u/DisastrousRope2565]

no, you dont understand, obama did the good war crimes

[u/al-qatala → u/DisastrousRope2565]

All American war crimes are good war crimes /s

[u/al-qatala → u/[deleted]]

LMAO

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[u/nosleepypills → u/DisastrousRope2565]

Nice pfp. I'm watching thru Evangelion rn for the first time.

[u/DisastrousRope2565 → u/nosleepypills]

awesome sauce, what episode are you on?

[u/nosleepypills → u/DisastrousRope2565]

Just finished episode 20. I got the last six episodes, and the movie

[u/DisastrousRope2565 → u/nosleepypills]

Hope youre emotionally prepared, its quite the trial in this latter section

[u/nosleepypills → u/DisastrousRope2565]

Bring it on

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[u/DisastrousRope2565 → u/[deleted]]

to not engage in wars that destabilize the region and kill countless innocents, right?

[u/Moist-Cantaloupe-740 → u/DisastrousRope2565]

I was talking about individual drone strikes, not regime change war.

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[u/al-qatala → u/[deleted]]

Explain to me how and why do you think so

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[u/nosleepypills]

Didn't Obama like, drone-strike innocent people, allow the godawful and unnecessary war on terror to continue, and support the state of isreal and all of its war crimes?

Or am I tripping and thinking of another guy?

[u/ShroedingersCatgirl → u/nosleepypills]

No that was Obama's evil twin brother, Obama (they have the same name)

[u/cat-l0n → u/ShroedingersCatgirl]

Great, now not only do we have to find Obama’s last name, but we also have to find Obama’s last name

[u/gtdurand → u/nosleepypills]

Making the drone strike the most visible implement of foreign policy & molding JSOC in the shadow army it is after being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize sure is something. If I were irony poisoned, I'd say that's comedy gold.

I also remember continually mentioning the decommissioning of Guantanamo (at least the prison) in numerous state of the union addresses, yet it was renovated for further use during his administration. Because transparency & habeas corpus are such a drag, you know?

[u/Legal-Hunt-93 → u/gtdurand]

To be fair, which American president that got a nobel prize didn't commit war crimes? It's a tradition at this point.

[u/Reasonable-Story-209 → u/nosleepypills]

Not tripping and I would say it would probably be quite a challenge to find a u.s president who hasn't committed multiple war crimes during their time in the u.s imperial throne

[u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

im convinced liberals jack off to a picture of this guy

[u/DisastrousRope2565 → u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

"Did you see Obama talked about how his gay professor inspired him??" they say,

meanwhile Obama didnt support gay marriage until like, 2012, even Joe Biden publicly supported it before him lol

[u/[deleted] → u/DisastrousRope2565]

Joe Biden is unironically more left wing than obama in pretty much every single aspect. Obama had a bit lower casualty rate but it was also due to direct us involvement so that's the only debatable thing

[u/MeterologistOupost31 → u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

Stains on his tan suit

[u/Material-Garbage7074 → u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

Putin?

[u/Seaflapflap42 → u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

I'm worried they could be so enamored by the idea of him having a third term that they'll give trump the 2/3 majority that he needs to legally have a third term.

[u/aSocialistGamer]

If you reverse the roles you could frame this photo very differently. You could praise Putin for his defiant body language and eye contact in the face of Obama’s aggressive posturing. “Putin stares down a war criminal”

Both are war criminals and they both sucked. But Obama had good vibes so most Americans don’t see him that way.

[u/fofom8 → u/aSocialistGamer]

Wouldn't it be "stares up"?

[u/aSocialistGamer → u/fofom8]

LOL you’re right. I was actually thinking about writing it that way but I thought it took away from the argument I was trying to make about framing 😂

[u/Flucuise → u/fofom8]

There is a 7" height difference lol

[u/Sw1561 → u/aSocialistGamer]

I agree but even with Obama's war crimes wouldn't he be the less war criminal of the two war criminals? Like, especially now that Putin started a full scale war. (I'm willing to be disproven on this)

[u/aSocialistGamer → u/Sw1561]

You’re right. Putin is probably the worse war criminal in terms of immediate, overt violence. But we rarely account for the massive, indirect suffering caused by U.S. policies. Obama’s drone strikes, coups, and sanctions fueled famine, displacement, and destabilization affecting tens of millions across the Global South, while maintaining the neocolonialist capitalist system that entrenches global inequality. All Presidents maintain this system of inequality. If Obama were a western adversary, this record would be condemned and framed as monstrous.

Comparing war criminality depends on what you value, immediate devastation or long-term structural harm. Statistically, Putin caused more direct deaths in Ukraine through bombs and violence, while Obama caused slower, widespread suffering across multiple regions through diplomacy, sanctions, and drone strikes. Both leaders deserve criticism and moral outrage. But in the West, that outrage often feels selective.

[u/Sw1561 → u/aSocialistGamer]

Yes, nicely said. Putin also is one of the main direct culprits of the recent global rise of the far right (he's not the sole reason it's happening of course) and actively working to overthrow liberalism... and replace it with an even more fascistic and openly exploitative world order than the current one. That ears him at least a few more points on the "suffering causers" scale.

Also I'd consider actively seeking to do bad shit (invading a country for no fucking reason) is worse than not stopping the bad shit that was already in motion (although ofc he fully could've done that, and he should've). (Maybe I'm forgetting one or more instances of Obama doing worse shit but I'm not American so I don't know that much about what he did in office)

[u/DS_Stift007]

Two war criminals meeting

[u/DELT4RED]

Seven wars. Drone strikes.

[u/Zode1218]

Putin stares down a war criminal

[u/nosleepypills → u/Zode1218]

They should kiss

[u/DumbFish94]

War criminal (liberal) stares down war criminal (reactionary)

[u/SyriaMyLovemyhabibti]

OOOO DAM IT YOU POSTED IT FIRST BEFORE ME 💔💔💔

[u/Banewolf]

Plot Twist: Both are War Criminals. In fact many US Presidents were War Criminals and should stand Trial in the Hague!

[u/Spiritual_Ad_7776]

He’s literally looking down at Putin. Man’s tall.

[u/ShaggytheGr9 → u/Spiritual_Ad_7776]

Putin is very short

[u/dair_spb → u/ShaggytheGr9]

He's average for his generation here in Russia, 173cm.

[u/Legal-Hunt-93]

My war criminal is better than your war criminal, infidel

[u/yellowgold01]

Obama was a good war criminal, so he doesn’t count, though. Forget all his drone strikes and his intervention in Libya, reintroducing large-scale slavery, though.

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

Just saying the country is recovering, and the western Libyan one is the most based Arab government, especially when it comes to Palestine

[u/yellowgold01 → u/mo_al_amir]

It’s good that the country is recovering, but the devastation would have never happened without regime change. It can still be felt today due to infrastructural inadequacies like the collapse of the Derna Dam.

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

The thing is, the new government is very dangerous for other Arab regimes like the UAE and Egypt, if it succeeded it would mean their end as well, that's they support the zoinist warlord haftar who caused the second war in 2014

[u/yellowgold01 → u/mo_al_amir]

Are you referencing the GNU? In my understanding, it’s backed by the US, the EU, and broader West. I am not sure how it’s a threat.

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

They used to support Haftar then after he lost back in 2020, they made ties, other Arab nations hate them, especially Egypt

[u/yellowgold01 → u/mo_al_amir]

So which government are you saying is a threat to other Arab regimes?

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

GNU used to give asylum to political opposition from Egypt and Syrja, that's why they made sure to support Haftar, both even send thousands of soldiers to help

[u/yellowgold01 → u/mo_al_amir]

But which government is the threat to Arab regimes you are talking about? GNU, Haftar?

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

GNU, but they are trying to better their relationship with them

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Gdp growth arguments cannot apply to socialist society and the working class

[u/yellowgold01 → u/[deleted]]

GDP growth doesn’t mean anything. The actual HDI has not returned to 2010 levels, and the country is still in chaos. The country’s GDP is also lower than it was in 2010.

[u/mo_al_amir → u/yellowgold01]

Maybe because it's recovering? It's still has the potential to go back to 2010

[u/yellowgold01 → u/mo_al_amir]

And that devastation wouldn’t have happened without Obama. I am not saying there been no recovery, but the country still has a long way to go.

[u/entrophy_maker]

I always liked watching Putin and Obama fist fight, like in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBwtEQQ9qd0

[u/Legal-Hunt-93 → u/entrophy_maker]

Dude you just made my day lmaaao

[u/entrophy_maker → u/Legal-Hunt-93]

[u/dude_im_box]

"Obama stares down-" OF COURSE! HE'S TALLER

[u/BohemianMade]

Obama and Putin are both staring down a war criminal.

[u/YourphobiaMyfetish]

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[u/anvinh]

How can he be bad ? They gave him the nobel prize just like Kissinger they must be great people no ?

[u/nosleepypills → u/anvinh]

They gave kissinger a Nobel peace prize? Damn, it really is a worthless prize

[u/mo_al_amir → u/nosleepypills]

Also that Burmese women who was committing a genocide

[u/VanlalruataDE]

[u/ybriKirbo]

Im sure Obama has looked in the mirror before

[u/Kittybee548]

Putin stares down a war criminal

[u/Hettyc_Tracyn]

So…

2 war criminals have a staring contest?

[u/MonsterkillWow]

At this point, I'm not even sure who is worse. Has Putin even actually killed more? I think you'd have to add it up. Obama did give our people a basic healthcare plan. But Putin did similar good things for his people. So, yeah. Not sure which war criminal is worse. I think if you add up all the deaths in Libya, Syria, Iraq operations after 2008, and elsewhere under Obama, I am not sure whether his bodycount exceeds Putin's or not in the wars in Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine. 

I think Putin is probably worse simply because you have to consider the good Obama did with foreign food and medical aid.

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[u/ElPatitoNegro → u/[deleted]]

So you're fine with Putin ?

[u/ElPatitoNegro → u/[deleted]]

You're supporting him by saying he's not a war criminal, which is absolutely disgusting.

[u/RandonAhhh_Italian → u/[deleted]]

idk why but it doesn't let me answer on your comment but, did i ever say the invasion was justified? This war is NATO's AND Russia's fault altogether. As i said, i think regimes like Russia are a necessary evil to prevent further expansion of Western imperialism, we can't do much about it ourselves since we don't have an army.

To end this discussion: yes Italy has a lot of fascists, but not nearly as much as eastern european countries, we also have a lot of communists, socialists and leftists in general. Tho i have to admit that the italian left is not nearly as leftist as i would wan't it to be and is sometimes laughable at.

[u/al-qatala → u/RandonAhhh_Italian]

It's still a stupid idea to deny Putin's war crimes and capitalist money-making regime

You can critically support Russia without denying that Russia's government is shit as well. Your arguments should be explaining that Ukraine is worse (which they are, a government literally overtaken by nationalists and nazis with CIA help since 2014 that bombed Russian civilians and attempted to erase Russian history and language from its territories, all that lead to this war in the first place), not that Russia is somehow good.

[u/ElPatitoNegro → u/RandonAhhh_Italian]

You're just an expensive parrot really.

[u/ElPatitoNegro → u/[deleted]]

There are more fascists in your home country Italy than in Ukraine, would it justify an invasion by Russia?

Current Russia is a fascist shithole by any standards. Your take is hypocritical and this kind of edgyness is nothing but a plague to leftism. But hey, fascism is good as it's against the USA. "But I chose this stance because I'm fed up with western propaganda" No, you did because you are an edgy teenager and don't really care about what's happening in the real world. Those are YOUR words, not anybody else's fault. Disgusting really.

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Isn't he also aggressively expanding his empire?

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