r/thesopranos • u/AmphibianOwn1448 • 1d ago
[Serious Discussion Only] If there was a theoretical afterlife in the sopranos, do you think Adriana would’ve forgiven Chris for his role in her death?
Asking because despite the shit Christopher did to Adriana, whether it was beating her, killing her dog, and god knows all the other shit and abuse he put her through…Adriana always forgave Chris and continue to genuinely love him.
But do you think there was a limit to this forgiveness and that Adriana would have stopped caring for Chris if she knew about his part in her death? May sound like a stupid question but Adriana seems like the type of person to forgive Chris and think that he had no choice but to kill her, she might even blame herself for what happened by blaming herself for becoming a rat in the first place.
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u/Heel_Worker982 1d ago
The most fascinating thing about the Catholic vision of the afterlife is that time ceases to have meaning and you have total knowledge of the universe as it is. Adriana knows who she is and she knows who Chrissy is. There's no need for "forgiveness" because she got judged on her own merits or demerits, as Chrissy will be.
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
Where should i look if I was interested in learning about the Catholic Church's specific "current canon" for things like the afterlife?
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u/B3atingUU 1d ago
The bible is a good starting point but stuff gets retconned or clarified by the Pope every once in a while. For example, Pope Benedict XVI said some years back that purgatory is more of an act/state of being than an actual place.
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
Was that during a Papal Infallibility period? Bc if not, we should probably recognize that he could have made a mistake 👆
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u/pryingopen 1d ago
“The Bible” is the joke answer, but I believe the Catechism of the Catholic Church is what you’re looking for
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
that's correct, & thank you for the formal terminology!, I can probably get started on this from here
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u/Small-Explorer7025 1d ago
The Bible
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
reprinted from another comment of mine, with permission:
Nah, nah; I mean the Catholics specifically: like, what is Paulie scared of that he wouldn't be if he were a Presbyterian?
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u/localsonlynokooks 8h ago
It’s called Canon law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law_of_the_Catholic_Church
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u/Ok_Educator7875 1d ago
I remember Revelations 7:12. “And i looked. As he opened the sixth seal, and behold there was a great earthquake-“. Whatever happened there….
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
Nah, nah; I mean the Catholics specifically: like, what is Paulie scared of that he wouldn't be if he were a Presbyterian?
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u/Ok_Educator7875 1d ago
Judgement Day
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
"Nobody go 'til The God say so / You got a second or more to run for the door" ?
(kidding; you're talking about the Rapture, I believe)
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u/polymorphic_hippo 1d ago
Adriana being Adriana, I'm sure she'd forgive him on sight.
This is a great post, OP. I've not seen anyone else ask this question.
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u/ProfessionalDot8419 1d ago
She was willing to rat him out to the FBI and also, she knows what the consequences are if she gets caught.
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u/DangerousEye1235 1d ago
It's heavily implied that Catholicism is canonically true in the Soprano's universe. It's also heavily implied by Carmela's Paris dream that Adrianna went to heaven (because otherwise she wouldn't have found Cosette because animals presumably don't go to hell or purgatory.)
In Catholicism, those in heaven share in the beatific vision, meaning they can essentially watch the goings-on of those still in the mortal universe, but through the perfected lens of God's grace and righteousness (which is how I've had it explained to me, at least.) So, in death Ade was able to understand both her own nature and Chris's in a much fuller and more profound way. So, she was able to clearly see what Chris truly was; an evil, self-absorbed sociopath just like all the rest of the guys in this thing of ours. She could finally understand and accept how truly irredeemable he was, how he brought his own suffering on himself, and how he has no one but himself to blame for his eternal damnation.
Basically, forgiveness or lack thereof would be a moot point. Chris made his bed, so he can sleep in it, and both he and Adrianna would finally, fully understand that.
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u/IUsedToBeRasAlGhul 1d ago
Ignoring the implications of Carmela’s dream in Paris as Adrianna’s afterlife…honestly, maybe. Adrianna genuinely believed in Chris and loved him, so in a hypothetical afterlife, I could see her coming around to forgiving him just like all the other abuses. Especially if she saw how his life went and ended afterwards.
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u/alpha_rat_fight_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
If she knew how little he cared about her death, I doubt it.
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u/IUsedToBeRasAlGhul 1d ago
Chris spends all of S6 self-destructing over his efforts to cope with getting Adrianna killed, to the point it’s a huge part of his eventual relapse. You sure you’re not someone’s mentally feeble uncle?
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u/alpha_rat_fight_ 1d ago
I’m one of the ducks from S1, at best.
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u/IUsedToBeRasAlGhul 1d ago
Maybe try to hit the books at slip and fall school, see if you can’t get those grades up without your mom banging the guidance counselor.
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
tbh, if you're aware firsthand of the existence of an afterlife, your death itself is gonna be of greatly diminished significance in your mind...so probably, yeah; it'd be like forgiving a grade school friend for the last playground fight, in the scope of eternity.
...unless you're in Hell, in which case you're just as mad about dying as w/o an afterlife (if not moreso\, but forgiveness would presumably be moot at that point.)
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u/eatajerk-pal 1d ago
In the theoretical afterlife we’re to assume exists in the universe of the show, Christopher goes to hell. So they won’t meet in the afterlife. Which is the appropriate outcome.
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u/Sad-Illustrator-8847 1d ago
she would be too busy helping Danielle out of her wet clothes to pay attention to Chris
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u/ToonMasterRace 1d ago
1.) The afterlife (and hell) are very much real places in the Sopranos, it's not up for debate
2.) Chris isn't going to the same place Aide is
3.) If he did, she'd forgive him and they'd go back into the abusive relationship
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 21h ago
She forgave him bashing her face in over and over, she forgave him about little Cosette, she forgave his repeated infidelity and recurring falling off the wagon, she knew he was a killer and a thug because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
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u/Loud-Vegetable-8885 1d ago
Nah. They'd both be in hell. When he got there, she'd be playing dice with Mikey Palmice and the roman soldiers. They'd be gooners subscribed to her only fans, and Christopher would be her Onlyfans photographer. She'd also have diarrhoea forever, his smelly valentine!
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u/schlomoweinstein 10h ago
You would be amazed at the frequency abused women go back to their abusers.
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u/anongirl55 4h ago
I don't know about Adriana, but I won't ever forgive him, lol. Her death disturbed me more than anything else I have ever seen on TV or film.
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u/PorkyWallace 1d ago
She would blame herself and forgive him. They would reunite in the afterlife, where she would get her semi-colon replaced with a colon, and Chris would have his spleen, Gene.