r/thesopranos • u/rombus-zombus • 20h ago
[Episode Discussion] Was Tony really going to kill Vito?
What if Tony was trying to lure Vito somewhere else to get some Johnny Cakes action? Is this a valid theory, what do you guys think?
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u/MeanGeneSimmons1 20h ago
In the deleted scene, when Sil and Tony talk to Vito on the phone from Vito's wife's house, they made it seem like they were seriously considering letting him back in, telling him to have a kid, which is why in the scene you saw with Vito and his family when the kids are skating, Vito tells Marie that they should have another kid, and that was after Tony suggested it, I feel they should've left that scene in
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u/Sad-Illustrator-8847 19h ago
makes you wonder if they were serious about it being safe for Vito. Or tell him lies to lure him back so he can get whacked and restore peace with Phil
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u/LostVyKyng 19h ago
Dang. Would love to see that scene.
Wildly evil (and totally in character) to insist someone bring a child into the world even you know, at least in the back of your mind, you’ll eventually kill the babies father. Yeesh.
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u/thatoneguy650 19h ago
I was curious too, here it is
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u/LostVyKyng 19h ago
Thanks. God I love deleted scenes. Like getting 2 minutes of a new episode I’ve never seen before. 🥲
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u/MeanGeneSimmons1 18h ago
Here is another deleted scene where Phil comes to visit Marie after she clearly was with Vito and the family.. this is the scene they allude to when Phil tells Tony he visited Marie and he could tell she had seen him.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9qAZsjY5dQ&ab_channel=FriendsOfOurs
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u/LostVyKyng 18h ago
If that scene made it into the final cut, “This time of year, ya gotta keep up with ya vitamin C” seems like the kind of pointless line that ends up quoted 30x a day in this sub lol.
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u/Free_Caterpillar_223 20h ago
He ordered to be whacked, but. Tony would do anything for 200000 bucks
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u/BatmanBrah 20h ago
It was definitely on the cards but not guaranteed. If Phil had played his cards right he may have been able to get Tony to kill Vito. And by that, I mean he would've had to play out the problem over a period of time, imply he might have to take action, really whittle Tony down over weeks making him worry Phil is going to do it himself, have Phil put business stuff between NY & NJ on hold while it's a problem, make Tony deal with the festering grumbling of his frustrated crew, while also never being disrespectful enough to Tony to make him tell Phil to eat shit out of spite.
But Tony wouldn't kill Vito if Tony's crew didn't mostly want him gone. A boss who disposes of a successful capo, (who's in good standing apart from the big issue), due to the protests of a boss from another family who's only 'harm' is familial association to the guy, who the rest of the crew didn't want to be disposed, that's going to be very disruptive to the loyalty to the boss potentially.
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u/brickmason256 19h ago
Yes, he was definitely going to, he told him to meet him at the mall the next day, then Phil did it that night
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u/GroundbreakingDoor61 16h ago
Yes. Tony's hand was forced on multiple occasions to go against his personal wishes to preserve his hold on power. He probably wanted Vito still earning but out of sight and out of mind; but like Tony B. it simply became untenable.
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u/StainedDelicates 16h ago
If everyone else hadn’t made such a big deal about it, Tony would probably have let his best earner live.
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u/TYSON_KCV 20h ago
He was, he told Sil to put Carlo in charge of the hit but Phil got to him before Carlo could.