Is Zelensky writing handwritten notes to the families of every Ukrainian soldier who has died? Because Bush did. Not criticizing Zelensky, he's doing an awesome job and is busy elsewhere, but these shit comparisons and trying to drag US politics into EVERYTHING help no one.
Trying to get POTUS on the ground inside New Orleans would not have remotely made sense from a logistics standpoint. Massive resources from a situation that needed them elsewhere.
I am sorry that I lied about starting a war, and now your son or daughter is dead. Please accept my lame ass apology as I continue to personally profit from this war.
"I would also like to apologize for the generational trauma we trained him to apply to the citizens of another culture and country. We conditioned him to dehumanize the enemy, and your son's may fight wars started by the aftershocks of this one." But hey at least he wrote letters!
Is that supposed to make Bush gallant? He presided over the deaths of nearly a quarter million people in his false wars, suspended rights, tortured people, and pushed mass surveillance. Maybe he should start writing letters to the many Iraqis and Afghans who died in his wars, it might take a few decades to get through.
Exactly, those resources needed to go to the pockets of all the utility companies that then charged all the newly homeless exorbitant equipment damage fees and other amazing money pocketing schemes the Bush administration didn't give a fuck about
Bush is literally Putin to Iraq if we compare these scenarios. I'm so sick of that fucking monster who half destroyed the united states and fully destroyed many others have his history in any way whitewashed. Yes yes I know trump and Putin are both bad.
You're arguing it was Ukraine who invaded Russia in 2014 and then withdrew and agreed to certain cease fire stipulations that they then breached constantly? Because that would be the comparison if you wanted to try to make it, which you shouldn't, because it's dumb. The Invasion of Iraq was a continuation of Gulf War 1, which was a war of aggression that Iraq started. Failing to meet the cease fire agreement for Gulf War 1 was the casus belli for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
I am simply not going to engage with someone who is such a moral and intellectual sinkhole that they believe what the United States do to the people of Iraq was justified. You're literally a monster if you're going to try to play word games in which the US was the hero there.
That is so messed up. I made zero statements about how wise the war was or its objectives. I stated comparing Ukraine to Iraq and Zelensky to Saddam is madness and literally spits on Ukraine.
But moral and intellectual sinkhole? The US liberated Iraq from Saddam, an autocratic maniac that makes Putler look good, after he started an aggressive war, lost, and then violated darn near every term of the ceasefire agreement. Almost the entire body count in Iraq wasn't cause by the war itself, but from the internal Sunni-Shiite civil war that removing the power at the top ultimately ignited.
Comparing that situation to Ukraine, or the US' actions trying to keep the peace to Russia, is just fucked up beyond all belief.
Ooh okay I didn't realize those deaths weren't because of america- just due to concequences from our actions! That's so different! What a good, nuanced view of the situation. Also really glad to hear we replaced that big mean autocrat! We should do that in every country! What's awesome is now Iraq has a stable democracy ran by non corrupt, good people. Jesus are you even thinking about what you write? That's a long way to say you think what america did was both moral and justified. You just justified it now, so don't deny it.
Of course it matters. If it didn't matter, you might a well condemn Ukraine for Russian deaths. Or blame the US for German civilian deaths CAUSED by Russians since we provided the Russians with weapons. After all, only the final numbers matter, nothing in between!
You have no moral compass whatsoever if your version of morality just sums up to your preferences for "good guys" and "bad guys" and none of the underlying reasons, behavior, or actions during a conflict mean shit.
You're literally saying George bush was a good guy because Putin is worse. Try to at least not be hypocritical if you're going to maintain this ethical path in life.
I actually don't think Bush was a particularly bad dude. His biggest flaw when it came to Iraq was overestimating the ability of Islamic areas to adopt "western" style values like secularism and democracy, which predictably ended poorly.
At any rate, I never said Bush was a good guy because Putin was worse. It doesn't surprise me that you made up yet another lie to cap off your long string of them in this conversation.
"I actually don't think bush was a particularly bad dude." And we have come full circle to you having no identifiable sense of ethics, or you are just critically ignorant of the facts. I can now refuse to interact with you, as was my initial impression, because if that's your outlook in 2022, there's really no helping you.
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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '22 edited Apr 04 '22
Is Zelensky writing handwritten notes to the families of every Ukrainian soldier who has died? Because Bush did. Not criticizing Zelensky, he's doing an awesome job and is busy elsewhere, but these shit comparisons and trying to drag US politics into EVERYTHING help no one.
Trying to get POTUS on the ground inside New Orleans would not have remotely made sense from a logistics standpoint. Massive resources from a situation that needed them elsewhere.