r/unOrdinary • u/Shamoose_ • Jul 09 '25
DISCUSSION I think Remi was the most normal person at Wellston đ
Her worst crime was being naive.
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer Jul 09 '25
She wasn't normal at all, especially by the standards of their world. How many high rankers have we seen who are capable of empathy from the start?
Like the majority of the high ranks have degraded and mistreated someone weaker than them at some point and even then our whole main cast is abnormal in the sense that they learned to be better, most others don't. Their world's normal is just being ass to others.
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u/SanguineRoseMun Jul 09 '25
Correct, and for that we can thank John, he is a huge wake up call for the high tiers (besides Zeke but theres reasons for that) He treats them the way Low tiers get treated and that is what gets them to gain perspective. (Well that and the Vigilante Arcs)
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u/justmeallalong Jul 09 '25
Remi was always chill, she was raised that way. She just had a dead brother to deal with.
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u/SanguineRoseMun Jul 09 '25
Ye but she still wouldn't have realized just how consistently bad things were. Definitely chill but not the goat without Joker John
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u/MysteriousStrategy86 Jul 09 '25
"Normality" is defined by the standard of one's environment, by UnO standard, she's the least normal.
In fact if you think about it there is no such thing as "most normal", because being "the most" at anything is already something special.
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u/YourTreeGuy Jul 09 '25
Tbh Iâm leaning more towards Isen but I see the vision
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Jul 09 '25
Isen was also a dick and broke Johnâs wrist
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u/CurrentMoodIsDying Jul 09 '25
Which, unfortunately, makes him very normal for the world that he lives in.
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u/Van-Poodie Jul 09 '25
From what we see of the high tiers, she's absolutely the most chill, I think there's very little room to argue that. Even still she's entirely apathetic to the oppression of the lower tiers unless it's right in front of her face.
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u/Retloclive Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25
Her worst crime was being naive.
Actually, Remi's worst crime is her being massively biased towards her terrible friends. She'll go to great lengths to call out John and other lesser bullies for their wrong-doings. Yet she doesn't hold her close friends, Arlo, Blyke, and Isen, to the same standards. Just glosses over their horrible actions as if they never happened.
It was especially rage-inducing when John straight up told Remi how those 3 wronged him during their private conversation, yet rather than Remi confronting her friends about how messed up they acted, she did absolutely nothing with such crucial information that could have helped calm down the situation. She expects John to get along with them, yet she doesn't call out or hold her friends accountable for how they wronged John? That is so messed up. She's basically just ordering John to get along with his bullies while said bullies are let off the hook. No questions asked. Absolutely horrible thing to do to someone.
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u/namethatisntaken Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25
UnOrdinary is one of those series that punishes you for thinking too hard about the character writing. On one hand, you really are supposed to buy that Remi was just too sheltered/grieving to properly look at the world around. On the other hand, the fact that she has zero issue with her friends engaging with the very abuses she finds horrendous is just weird.
Even in this thread, the arguments defending her either say she is too busy grieving early on, which doesn't address her blindness to her friends actions, or that she doesn't have a moral obligation to help others, which would already concede her not being a naive girl who didn't do anything wrong.
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 10 '25
Uru said she knows her friends changed and stuff like that. Idr exactly the words but basically she wonât ever hold a grudge against them
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
You do remember how her first thought after finding John was Joker was to ambush and force him to use his ability.
Also its more willful ignorance rather then being naive she noted John was roughed up and saw his reaction ignored it, she saw Sera hurt and all the articles posting about her ability lost, knew Zeke and others went after her and also saw Sera in the infirmary yet again ignore it all never even checking up on her. Even when Isen says Arlo provoked John she just ignores that bit, same with when John brings up what her friends did she just brushes it off.
While Remi is one of the better characters she is far from the most normal person at Wellston that belongs to Evie, Roland or some other low tier. None of the higher ranks are normal.
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u/N-ShadowFrog Ability: Bacteria Manipulation Jul 09 '25
Think you're mixing up good and normal. Still agree Remi isn't a normal person in the Wellston world, that's probably more someone like Meili or Ventus. But its pretty normal for people to ignore issues that don't directly affect them.
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
I don't think its normal to ignore the issues of people you know. John is one thing since she only knew him as Sera's friend. However Sera at least can be considered one of her friends and some she is close to especially when she knows Sera has been targeted and harmed several times.
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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th Team Ember Jul 09 '25
She wasn't purposely ignoring, she has showed concern when sera was injured and visited the hospital. She was griefing and was super focused on finding her brothers killer, she had an obsession with that.
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
Nope she still ended up ignoring it, she visited Isen when he was in the infirmary not Sera. She made no follow up nor even acted despite the article spread around school nor the fact she knew Zeke and others targeted Sera.
Her grief does not excuse her also a good deal of these things happen after they stop being vigilantes so it wouldn't distract her. There were just that many obvious signs that Sera was suffering and in trouble that it would be impossible for Remi to ignore unless she chose to. She was aware what Sera was going through did nothing which is willful ignorance on her part.
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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th Team Ember Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25
Wrong, Chp 91 and 92. Sera was limping, Remi saw her and helped her to the infirmary.
I dont recall, but which chapter showed that Remi knew about the article on seraphina and actively ignored it?
She's a human being, but you people expect her to be perfect and put her grief aside? But when it comes to John all the shit he did is excused because he wasn't in the right headspace huh? Lmfao
Google :
Wilful ignorance, also known as willful blindness, is the intentional avoidance of knowledge or information that would make someone aware of a situation or the consequences of their actions. It's not simply lacking knowledge, but actively choosing not to know, often to avoid responsibility or unpleasant consequences.
You're telling me she was aware of the fucked up things but chose to ignore it? Thats your main point?
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
And after that chapter Remi makes not follow up.
Also the article was spread all around school and was talked about all over, yet Remi didn't notice it that alone would be willful ignorance. Let alone the fact Blyke did help Sera one time so he would have obviously mentioned it. Also confirmed later in 176 that she aware of what Zeke did to Sera after she lost her ability, but Remi did not once check or make sure stuff like that didn't happen again. Her obsession or vigilante activates doesn't change the fact that she heard about or saw enough to know what was happening yet decided to ignore it.
Also by the time Sera got kidnapped by mid tiers Remi and the gang were done as vigilantes, yet no follow up on her part to find out what happened or even check up on Sera after seeing her injured. Not even a realisation of all the things she knew/heard, but did nothing about before.
Exactly Remi knew about everything or at aware and saw the signs but ends up ignoring which would only happen by choice when things relating to Sera happen several time across a matter of days.
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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th Team Ember Jul 09 '25
The narrative never shows Remi reacting to the article this is an assumption you are making.
The article was published while Remi was distracted (dealing with Volcan/EMBER). And we have no proof of whether Blyke or Isen saw those articles or told Remi about it.
Remi does act when directly confronted with injustice (e.g., helping low-tiers pre-series). If sheâd seen the article, sheâd likely have intervened. And that's a fact in line with her character unlike your assumption.
Absence of evidence â evidence of ignorance. The story doesnât prove she knew.
Remi didnât check on Sera after her kidnapping because Sera isolated herself deliberately. After her kidnapping, Sera avoids everyone (even John, briefly). Remi couldnât check on her because Sera ghosted the school.
By this point, Johnâs rampage was consuming Remiâs attention.
So, if anything, this was a failure of prioritization, not willful neglect. As you claim.
Willful ignorance requires intent. Remiâs failures stem from privilege-blindness, not malice. The story shows her learning and changing (Safe House, admitting fault), which contradicts "willful" denial.
Key moments (like the article) have no proof she knew. Assumptions â canon.You're conflating negligence with active disregard. Remi was a flawed leader, but she always helped when she saw injustice in front of her.
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
She would have know about it either way, her missing it at all is only proof of wilful ignorance cause they were plastered and talked about all over the whole school.
Distraction isn't an excuse and wouldn't prevent her from seeing a crowed looking at the article or hearing the gossip. Blyke would have mentioned Sera got attacked and Isen did mention what happened in the news room with becoming head of the newspaper.
Remi only acted when she couldn't ignore things, she took note that John was roughed up and his reaction to mistaking her for someone else just screams he was being bullied yet Remi ended up ignoring it.
Sera isolating herself doesn't prevent Remi from checking up on her or making sure she is ok and won't be bothered or attacked from now. Also you are wrong on that point it shows Sera going and attending school even after what happened and hanging around with John, it never shows her isolating herself after the mid tiers kidnapped her.
Remi still ignored that Sera got seriously hurt and she is one of her friends. Remi only paid attention to Jokers rampage due to him going after Isen one of her friends yet doesn't do the same for Sera.
Its willful ignorance on her part its impossible for her to not be aware of what was happening to Sera unless she chose to ignore the obvious signs that she couldn't have missed.
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u/N-ShadowFrog Ability: Bacteria Manipulation Jul 09 '25
Wouldn't really consider Remi and Sera friends before Safe House. Like they liked the other but didn't really seem the acquainted beyond what you'd expect of the two highest ranking girls in the school.
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 09 '25
They were acquittances and close enough for Remi to thank her for filling in. Sera was also the reason Remi was allowed to chose Blyke as Jack. At the very least Sera is someone she knows and not a stranger.
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
A lot of these are incredibly dumb points, she doesnât owe anyone anything
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 09 '25
That point doesnât work for Remi. She is the schoolâs Queen so she has a responsibility
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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th Team Ember Jul 09 '25
She was griefing the loss of her brother and was super focused on finding his killer. Besides its not like she didn't took responsibility when the problems were brought to her attention
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 09 '25
Iâm not saying she didnât have good reasons for not acting sooner so I do understand why she didnât
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
They know this, many people have said this to them, itâs just not a good enough reason for them
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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th Team Ember Jul 09 '25
It's funny how they try their hardest to vilify her saying she's willfully ignorant, as if she she chooses to ignore issues when in reality she's always shown to address any injustice that she comes across.
Like they really believe she was aware of all the bullying in wellston but chose to ignore it. That's their main argument. Surface level comprehension, and these dudes be saying shit like "bad writting" as if they're fucking genius story tellers lmfao
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
Exactly, like she isnât a kid who can get preoccupied with other things, and she never had to do anything but she always choose to, she always tryâs to help and look on the bright side, but the she gets called ânaiveâ for it, kinda canât win.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
funny how you remi owes nothing to no one, but meanwhile you believe john owes everything to everyone lol
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
She is a 16 year old girl she doesnât have a responsibility to other 16 year olds, especially when dealing with her brothers death
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 09 '25
She is the Queen of Wellston, when she took that title she gained responsibility. Age doesnât matter in this situation. Asslo was around her age when he became King and with that he gained a responsibility to keep the hierarchy in check.
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
Yes age does matter, as much as you wish it doesnât, her being âqueenâ doesnât matter when sheâs still mentally Ă child, sheâs not equipped and deff not obligated to be responsible over hundreds of teenagers.
Also who gaf bout arlo, idrc if arlo was principal at 16, one anedoctal exmaple doesnât change the fact that mentally a child is not able to handle such responsibility
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 09 '25
No age doesnât. They raise them to deal with the responsibility of their titles. When Remi took up that position as Queen she gained with it the responsibility of every student in Wellston. She knows it and makes it clear in her conversation with John that they (the royals) have a responsibility and obligation to protect the students. Blyke as Jack and King has a responsibility and obligation to the students despite being a child. As a protector of the students, a responsibility he took when he became Jack and King of Wellston. You donât like it or agree but thatâs how their world operates.
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
Yes age does matter, many people inverse have noted that they donât trust teens to be all that responsible, and i never said i donât like it, and no they donât, as children they have no responsibility or obligation over other people, the school is responsible for the students, the principal and staff, not other students.
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 09 '25
You are arguing against it therefore you donât like or agree with it. The Principal and the staff donât step in so who is left? The kids. They know what their responsibilities are and they know they have an obligation despite being kids because if they donât do anything then who will. It shouldnât be them but until change actually happens they have to set the example. Remi and her friends choose to take up that responsibility as Royals.
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u/JessieLocke Jul 09 '25
Nope, conversations are more nuanced than that, try again. And nođ if the principal and staff donât step in itâs not automatically up to the kids that makes no sense, that doesnât automatically make them have any obligation towards each other, no one owes anyone anything.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar_6957 Jul 09 '25
No, she was a dreamer and follower of her brotherâs dream. Her best friend and partner (as royals) Arlo respected Ray and admire him. No way Arlo would let all that Ray work for (his legacy) get destroyed right? Yeah there some fights but the Royals taking care of it right? Johnâs a cripple/zero but he start all the fights so he isnât the problem right? Remi is knows what the world expects of her but believes Ray made a difference, if it wasnât for Ray and her mom teaching her that ranks donât matter would she be this ânormalâ or would she be as mean as Arlo? Stuck up like early sera? Or as Iâll temper like Blyke and Isen was with John?
But at the end the teaching are ingrained in her so much that even seeing the cops, teachers and learning about John past and how Wellston treated him she still not giving up but she did made a hard decision and left Blyke and Atlo behind to survive another day. So she is growing
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u/gsk0000 Jul 09 '25
I think it was Isen. He had good survival instincts. He's still the voice of reason among the Wellston gang
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u/DHMC-Reddit Jul 10 '25
She's about as normal as a super privileged rich kid in our real world.
Lucky to be born to a powerful (rich) family, goes to the best school, is very nice to people (this is very common with rich kids in school), and is completely oblivious to the poorer kids' suffering (poverty).
On the off chance that she discovers that suffering, she thinks it can't be as bad as they say, "what's a banana cost, like only $40 bucks?" and tries to white knight the whole situation.
And then after that she sort of became just your typical superhero with tragic background vibes ever since.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25
I can give 3 reasons she isn't the most normal, but one of the most morally grey characters in the story
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u/JMeisterJ Jul 10 '25
No. Remis WORST crime, was getting a woman killed and never giving her a second thought and reflecting on it. Blyke and Isen did
And if we REALLY want to get into it with Remi. Its not naivety, its full on offensive obliviousness. I can definitely forgive her being out of it when Rei died for a bit, but... we have evidence to show she was like this before. John gets made fun of and harassed right infront of her in episode 1, not only that, she's friends with Blyke and Isen, who were there when John was exposed on his first day. Im sorry but if word about sera fighting arlo broke out there is no way that news didn't either. She knew what John was going through. If she was really as close to arlo as were supposed to believe NOW... She should've had more knowledge of how Arlo was also running the school.
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 10 '25
I totally forgot she was there in the class with him in the first episode đ
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u/vengarlof Jul 10 '25
(Looks at comments)
I think Remi fans are the least normal people in our society
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 10 '25
What makes you say that?
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u/Isen-SleepWithSocks No.1 Isen simp đ Jul 09 '25
normal by our standards, yes
not by the unoverse's tho
\gasp* new word! UNOVERSE I LIKE IT