r/unOrdinary • u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John • Jul 12 '25
DISCUSSION I know this is Late, but wasn't this the perfect time for remi to call out her friends, just like she called out john on his hypocrisy
I honestly thought she was going to get angry at isen, blyke and especially arlo for what they did to john and for not following rei's orders, but instead she defended them and said they stopped now didn't they. Like that is not the best approach, especially to someone like john who is mentally ill lol
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u/Jdoggokussj2 John's Bestest Buddy Jul 12 '25
yeah same it seems like the narrative was switched from john doing to them what was done to him to john was just unhinged
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
i'm on my reread arc getting prepared for season 3 and i'm finally noticing some of what those john fans were saying, like don't get me wrong john is still wrong, but the lack of accountability from the royals makes them look just as bad as john
what was even the point of this conversation if remi is not going to admit that the friends she hangs out with are bullies
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 12 '25
That is a good question. One that unfortunately will never be answered in series since Uru just decided to move on from it. All we have as an explanation is from Uru herself since someone asked her why Remi hadn’t said anything to them and it was something along the lines of “she knows they feel bad and they are becoming better” or something like that. I don’t quite remember how it went but it was something along that.
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u/DarkShadowBlaze Team John Jul 12 '25
Thank you seeing someone speak up about this always brings a tear to my eye.
Honestly her hypocrisy attuited is the main reason John never trusts her cause she only gives empty words. Like seriously she tells him to trust Arlo and the others and work with them right after he got done telling her how they wronged him.
Remi just didn't care what John went through nor how he felt about what happened and just wanted to brush aside the wrongs her friends did and pretend everything was alright.
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u/Lukastace Jul 12 '25
Because not a single character in the narrative has actually sympathised with John other than Sera and William. Not too sure what Uru's been cooking there but it's likely due to the fact that she needed to keep John villainized during this arc
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u/Limeoos Jul 12 '25
Well That's because Remi has never bothered with calling out people for things that they did in the past, unless it's part of something that they're doing in the present
If she sees (let's say) Isen forcing low tiers to do his work(not that he would) she would call him out
But if it was something he would've done in the past but wouldn't do in the present she wouldn't call him out for it
There's also examples of her not calling John out for things
For example in their first argument, she didn't confronted him(atleast not initially) about him brutalizing Juni, Zeke, and her friends
she wanted the Violence to stop, sure
But she wasn't going "I want a good reason and a proper apology, for hurting my friends" or anything like that
Then in season 2 she never calls out John for saying her brother can go to Hell(granted John didn’t know who her brother was or that he was dead) nor for hospitalizing her and Blyke
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
she did still call him out on those things tho?? she never did that for arlo. blyke and isen
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u/Limeoos Jul 12 '25
I mean she's brought it up sure, but as far as I remember, never in a "I'm calling you out for it" kinda way
It's either been to express that she's aware of what John's been doing, or as an immediate response to something that John is saying
If you give me some chapter numbers to look at that would help
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
150-152 and 155 also 237
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u/Limeoos Jul 12 '25
150-152
The only thing she really calls out here, is what she saw as him being hypocritical
I mean ok I guess she did call him out on his violence
But
1.it was a current issue that he was causing
2.it was less of confrontinial "you got some explaining to do" and more of sympathetic "I want to know why you're doing this, so I can see if we can end this without violence and so I can see if you need help with any issues that might of drove you to do this"
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I assume you mean 154?
And she was calling him out for something that he was doing at that moment
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She wasn't really calling him out here, she was just stating a fact, that the students are scared of him
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
thats still calling him out tho she should have done the same to the others but didn't, do you have any chapters to prove that??
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u/Limeoos Jul 12 '25
thats still calling him out tho
For a problem that he was actively causing,
again if it's something that he did in the past, that's he's not currently doing right now or has nothing to do with what's happening right now, she won't really say anything
she should have done the same to the others but didn't, do you have any chapters to prove that??
Actually I do
In chapter 79 she calls out Arlo for using his powers to force 2 Agwin students to apologize
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
that's not what arlo did to john, thats a different situation, also what about blyke and isen, any chapters for those when remi calls them out for their actions for what they did to john
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u/Limeoos Jul 13 '25
that's not what arlo did to john, thats a different situation,
But it still applies here
She was calling him out for a problem that he was actively causing at that moment,
It's the same with John, he was actively trying to throw the school into a panic when she first confronted him
Why she didn't call out Arlo for the Ambush?
The same reason she never confronted John over hospitalizing her and Blyke, or attacking the safe house
And no Remi telling John that "we can't let you on this trip, because people are scared of you" is not her calling him out, she's just stating a fact that she thinks John needs to be aware of
also what about blyke
Never did anything thats really worth calling out
and isen,
Everything he did to John, happened a long time ago, and he already got beaten to a pulp, and was then beaten up again later,
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25
that can't apply there though, john wasn't there it was the agwin students and yes isen and blyke did do bad things to john he says in the same chapter of the post i dropped in chapter 150 and 151, also they all defended arlo after what he did to john making them just as bad
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u/JMeisterJ Jul 13 '25
The only person who she should've confront was Arlo, maybe Isen. At the end of the day Blyke didn't actually threaten johns life, Blyke had a stupid moment of anger, which John was also guilty of, because someone hit his friend. And he let it go. He also tried to apologize.
Isen was looking into John for Arlo, and when he realized why, he actually tried to keep John calm, John didn't accept it, but isen was sincere in trying to help him.
Arlos tranagressions are by far the worst. This is why I often say, Uru kinda just swept Arlos issues under the rug to say," hey John is the problem now, dont focus on what Arlo did." And it really does go un talked about for over a season, Sera calls it stupid and uncalled for and.... no, what blyke did, stupid and uncalled, isen, stupid and uncalled for. And yes im going to say this, what zeke does on a daily basis is stupid and uncalled for. But if you actually pay attention to the things arlos done, you will see he has a pattern of doing this. John wasn't the first person, im serious, reread the series, and I MEAN IT when I say PAY ATTENTION to how uru writes him and you'll see "oh god... Uru wait."
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25
the famous unordinary reviewer understands, glad youre a big fan but not afraid of giving criticisms
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u/Responsible-Net7401 Jul 13 '25
That's why I loved it when Arlo lost everything, his beliefs, his ideals, the person he admired, "his aunt," the trust of his friends, and now even his mind, everything he fought for was a lie, just as John made it clear to him.
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u/JMeisterJ Jul 13 '25
Arlos whole theme as a character seems to be about loss in general, its something he continuously faces and I want to make a video about him and that theme.
And to be fair to him, the things Arlo fought for were not a lie entirely. Yes it seems his motivation were based on lies he was told, but who arlo is (now) is still someone who believed the best in the bureau cause he was raised in it and thats not his fault. Also don't forget, there are some in the bureau who are good. Kassandra truly believes she's doing the right thing and she is, and she's now trying to expose the lies she's been shown. Victor was also someone who wanted to do good, unfortunately he had to get away from the bureau to be able to try and fix society... to varying degrees of success...
And yes im going to say this.... Keon is a DICK! There is no doubt about. This guy is a piece of shit who is okay abusing children... cause hes been taught hes doing the right thing. We have no choice but to believe Keon when he says he doesn't have any info on ember cause its not his department, and from what we have seen, he did seem to genuinely be pleased with the "progress" he saw in John at Wellston. I'll be honest, I do not think Keon will be down with what he sees in blykes mind. Until we see how he reacts to blykes memories of the authorities being ember we cant really call him a villain. He very could be, but we cant say for certain yet.
But all of this is to say, what Arlo believed in isn't a lie. Because Arlo wants the bureau to become what he believes it should be.
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u/NavySeagull Jul 12 '25
By the time this happens John has already ambushed Blyke and Isen on separate occasions and beaten them unconscious, plus an additional beating for Isen which led to her having this talk with him. The idea that she would blow up on Isen for hurting John way less severely than John's been hurting others or Blyke for being a big meanie or whatever is inherently ridiculous.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
so basically she defends that her friends are no better, but only criticizes john , if that's something to glaze, then you are actually admitting john is right,notice i mentioned john is also wrong
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u/NavySeagull Jul 12 '25
I cannot for the life of me figure out how you came to the conclusion that I'm saying John is right or that Isen and Blyke are just as bad as he is.
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u/NewManager5051 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 14 '25
This is the complaint I have about the story, I would have at least liked a quick question from Remi to Arlo, Byle, and Isen about what they did to John. I feel like they never really closed that, even if it was just a few quick dialogues. But I think the reason is that Uru-chan was extremely exhausted drawing season 1, she said so herself in a statement.
The only thing I can imagine to justify why she didn't ask is that it wasn't the right time when they were going to have the most important fight at school, plus Remi didn't have the courage to break her idealized image of her best friends, More so when I came from receiving a bucket of cold water from John.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 14 '25
it shouldn't even be that hard to be honest, she can even make a side story of them apologizing to john. 1 or 2 chapters of something so simple shouldn't be hard
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u/Awrybop3 Jul 12 '25
This has already been discussed a lot but I say that it is because Remi had the thought of giving a second chance, plus he knew that they regretted what they did. And in case this is taken as hypocrisy, John's case was different, because he refused when they were trying to help, and yes, John had good reasons.
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
plus he knew that they regretted what they did.
She didn’t know any of that, she just assumed this. I don’t have an issue with Remi being quick to forgive or giving people second chances, but that only works if she actually sees them take responsibility, reflect, and apologize. And in this case, she didn’t.
With Blyke, it’s understandable. She was there during the warning shot incident and knew the full context, it wasn’t that bad anyway. But with Arlo and Isen, it’s a completely different story. They did really messed-up things, and Remi had no real indication that they felt any remorse. With Arlo, all she saw was that he looked defeated which, for all she knew, could’ve just been because John was fighting back and hitting him were it hurts, not because Arlo actually regretted his actions. And despite everything, Remi never truly confronts him, even though what he did was borderline disgusting.
Isen is even worse. He never reflects, not even internally, unlike Arlo. Instead, he makes excuses or shifts the blame onto John. And still, Remi lets him off the hook. There were so many opportunities here for intresting character interactions, but they were just glossed over.
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u/NavySeagull Jul 12 '25
What messed up things does Isen do?
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
break johns wrist, pretend to be his friend and pry into his past
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u/NavySeagull Jul 12 '25
break johns wrist
Yep, that does happen, but considering the average level of violence at Wellston and the things John himself gets up to later I just can't see this as something that needs any deeper atonement than saying he's sorry (which he does, John rejects it because he thinks Isen is doing it for the wrong reasons) and not doing it again (he never does it again).
pretend to be his friend
This doesn't happen, it's something Arlo does.
pry into his past
This is something that John personally hates Isen for, but Isen isn't really in the wrong for doing it.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
defending isen for his wrongdoings but not john kinda weird imo and in chapter 132 its revealed isen was pretending to be johns friend
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u/NavySeagull Jul 12 '25
...Isen isn't even in chapter 132, dude. You are looking at a scene where John is angry and lashing out at everyone and taking his words as gospel. Except you're not even doing that right, because he's not saying Isen pretended to be his friend, just that he only started acting nice to him after realizing how strong John was.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
that's the same thing, he's pretending to be john's friend, same context, its called manipulation buddy
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u/BruhBorne-70 Jera's No.1 Glazer Jul 13 '25 edited Jul 13 '25
Manipulating someone into an interview, digging into their personal life without their permission to get a juicy article out of their past, about which they are obviously very insecure about and then breaking their wrist while smiling and belittling them.
The problem with Isen is, the guy only changed his tune because of fear of John's level. It's pretty clear he does not regret a thing that he did, the guy never reflects on his actions.
His apology is pretty much an excuse and a half assed attempt to get on John's good side (he calls breaking John's wrist unintentional when he was literally smiling while at it), he was never genuinely sorry which John sees through and the apology would have never came had John been weaker than him, hell Isen would have even published that article about John's level if he could have without any regard for how John felt about it if he had been weaker.
Isen was a deeply selfish person and he should have been called out for it by Remi since she had such a saintly image of her fellow high rankers in her mind but that never happens.
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u/Thin-Break-7183 Ability: Aura Master Lvl: 10 Jul 12 '25
Only two people were trying to help out of the kindness of their hearts. Blyke and Remi. Isen only wanted to help John to keep on his good side, Asslo was to much of an asshole for anyone to think he really wanted to help John which he made clear at times he didn’t. So John refusing their help was smart. Asslo and Isen I mean.
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u/Awrybop3 Jul 12 '25
Even so, they wanted to help despite their intentions, that was not my point, in the end you gave me the reason that John did have his reasons.
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 12 '25
the whole point of my post is proving that this never happened though???
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u/Awrybop3 Jul 13 '25
And I explained why it didn't happen
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u/Business_Scratch_791 Team John Jul 13 '25
no you didn't
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u/Retloclive Jul 12 '25 edited Jul 12 '25
The more I thought about it, the more I realized that the "Remi doesn't confront her Royal friends on their horrible actions" issue is just one of many examples of an overall problem that the interactions between the Wellston Royals are kind of boring.
Despite the terrible things that some of the Royals did, especially Arlo and Isen, there's somehow been no drama amongst them. None of the Royals seem to have any issues with each other. They all just remain "You Guys Are Great! Best Friends Forever!," which leaves me feeling like Uru completely missed out on what could have been some great drama amongst the Wellston Royals rather than just having it all one-sidedly dumped on John.