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u/TNS_420 15d ago edited 15d ago
Y'all really blow this shit out of proportion.
TLOU1 got one remaster and one remake, and TLOU2 got one remaster with new content.
The entire Uncharted trilogy also got remastered for PS4.
The Crash trilogy also got remakes.
And Naughty Dog is developing a new IP.
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u/Ragnarok345 15d ago
Sir, madam, or whatever variation thereon, this is the internet. You can’t expect any of that fancy “logic” stuff from the dipshits ‘round here.
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u/Fyziixx 15d ago
Also to put into perspective the uncharted trilogy remaster wasn’t done by naughty dog at all. It was outsourced to Blueprint Games to do.
And the first TLOU1 remaster really isn’t the same kind of remaster most companies due to it was literally only because TLOU1 released at the end of the ps3 life cycle. The “remaster” was released almost exactly 1 year after the original came out and that was more just a PS4 port since PS4 couldnt do backwards compatibility with PS3 games.
The biggest overall issue is Sony not wanting to wait to release TLOU1 remake until TLOU2 remastered was ready and just bundle the games at the $70 price point. Had they done that, then there really wouldn’t have been any of this blow back on the whole remake/remastering.
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u/JFrost47 14d ago
TLoU1 by no means needed a remake.
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u/TNS_420 14d ago
I never said it needed a remake. I just think it's ridiculous that people constantly feel the need to exaggerate the number of remasters and/or remakes.
Also, I agree that TLOU1 didn't need a remake. The PS3 original and the PS4 remaster both hold up very well. I'm still glad we got the remake, though. It's amazing, and it's the absolute best version of the game, in my opinion.
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u/ThePlagueMan- 14d ago
TLOU2 doesn't need a remaster. It needs to be cast into the depths of the sea.
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u/YNKWTSF 14d ago
Eh. When UC4 came out we got LL a year later. 3 years after that we got TLOU2. It's been 5 years since that now and we didn't get Factions, but instead got a remake, a remaster and a complete edition. It's understandable that people are dissapointed and it's also not surprising that people meme on it.
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u/Significant_Option 14d ago
You say this like this isn’t just a meme post. You’re acting like this is more than it really is
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u/Mishimotsu 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's a crime that the uncharted collection (1-3) hasn't been remastered (again) for PC just so they can play the rest of the games (and why not chuck golden abyss in there too and then a cross release on PS5 makes sense as well)
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u/Gamer_8887 14d ago
I also need the uncharted 1-3 games on pc😭
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u/Brosemite17 14d ago
Can emulate that sucker or get a cheap ps4 off FB if living in US
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u/SGTRoadkill1919 13d ago
ND, where is the rest of uncharted for pc?
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u/Brosemite17 13d ago
I actually think Uncharted 1-3 would function great on the Switch.....1. No joke..
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u/Mishimotsu 13d ago
Oh boy now you're talking! Would love to have them on switch 1 or 2 😍😍😍 didn't even consider that
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u/Brosemite17 12d ago
Yeah because 007 First Light is coming to Switch 2....which looks eerily similar to action set pieces of Uncharted series. If that can run on Switch 2, then UC 1-3 can be a smooth port on Switch 1 IMO
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u/Andrew_Waples 14d ago
I guess I'm old now because I remember when Skyrim got so many re-releases.
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u/runaways616 14d ago edited 14d ago
OP is just fully omitting that he has very little understanding about what game development is like, what working with business type on the publisher side is like, and just generally all the very odd and bizarre aspect that working any creative industry is most of the time, projects get the green light or they don’t get the green light for the stupidest reasons sometimes. And one single creative voice doesn’t have the power you think they do.
A great example for why projects get cancelled for dumb reasons in creative industries
The 2010 nightmare on elm street remake absolutely bombed at the box office the studio executives took that as definitive proof that audiences were over horror and it was on its way out they canceled a lot of horror projects and then the horror explosion of the mid to late 2010s happened and is still happening to this day.
Microsoft rejected a Helldivers style odst game. So many amazing studios get closed because publishers cancel their projects mid development or force them to develop things that are the polar opposite of what they are know for developing.
Look at WB games as a publisher they spent the last decade absolutely nuking a developer base that had so much amazing talent and games and good will around 2010-2015.
There’s always so much more nuance to why things get canceled than simpletons idea of “a creator I don’t like is bad at his job that’s the only reason”
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u/runaways616 14d ago
OP is just fully omitting that he has very little understanding about what game development is like, what working with business type on the publisher side is like, and just generally all the very odd and bizarre aspect that working any creative industry is most of the time, projects get the green light or they don’t get the green light for the stupidest reasons sometimes. And one single creative voice doesn’t have the power you think they do.
A great example for why projects get cancelled for dumb reasons in creative industries
The 2010 nightmare on elm street remake absolutely bombed at the box office the studio executives took that as definitive proof that audiences were over horror and it was on its way out they canceled a lot of horror projects and then the horror explosion of the mid to late 2010s happened and is still happening to this day.
Microsoft rejected a Helldivers style odst game. So many amazing studios get closed because publishers cancel their projects mid development or force them to develop things that are the polar opposite of what they are know for developing.
Look at WB games as a publisher they spent the last decade absolutely nuking a developer base that had so much amazing talent and games and good will around 2010-2015.
There’s always so much more nuance to why things get canceled than simpletons idea of “a creator I don’t like is bad at his job that’s the only reason”
The fact that Crash is in this me shows how little OP actually understands about this topic
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u/El-Aaaaay 15d ago
This guy is a one trick pony. From 2007-2013, we got 3 Uncharted games and the last of us for the PS3. For the last 12 years, Neil has kept on recycling tlou. Im so sick of these 2 games. Neil has wasted so many resources and time with these 2 games. Naughty Dog employees have quit because of the boredom.
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u/GymratAmarillo 15d ago
The Last of Us Part 1 (the remake) was made by the newest members of the team as a project to show them the ways of working at the office + was co directed by Shaun Escayg (the lost legacy director) after he left to direct the Avengers game for Square Enix, now he is directing the game we hope is a new Uncharted or a remake.
If you like Druckmann or not doesn't matter, training your new staff and giving confidence to a good returning member who fucked up somewhere else will never be a waste of time.
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u/orangemoon44 14d ago
Shaun was the narrative director for Avengers IIRC, there was no fuck up on his part.
** Okay writer/director. Still. Narrative was good. Just the stupid GAAS bs that ruined the game, which undoubtedly came from Square Enix.
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u/Rhain1999 14d ago
This guy is a one trick pony
That's certainly an odd way to describe someone who has directed three critically acclaimed and awarded games (and written five) before being promoted to lead one of the most beloved developers ever lmao
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u/Brosemite17 15d ago
Blame Jim Ryan who tried turning all the great single player studios into live service & subscription studios...costing Sony Studios BILLIONS.
Then again Naughty Dog not alone...we're not seeing follow ups to other great Sony IPs such as Sly Cooper, Kill Zone, Infamous, etc
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u/DVDN27 12d ago
One trick pony who worked on the two best Uncharted games, made The Last of Us 1 and 2 which were so well received they got a TV show by HBO and hundreds of gaming awards each, and is leading the studio’s next game which is insanely hyped.
I guess Gabe Newell and Hideo Kojima are also one trick ponies if you ignore everything except for Half Life 2 and MGS3.
And people aren’t quitting Naughty Dog out of boredom. If anything it’s out of not wanting to be crunched for another game cycle, which is an actual issue at Naughty Dog - not some messiah complex you’ve applied to a game writer who wants to keep making the same 2 games because he’s obsessed or whatever.
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u/Crazyninjanite 15d ago
That IP is his baby. Uncharted was Amy Hennig’s and she’s gone now.
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u/OGBattlefield3Player 15d ago
Such a shame.
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u/TNS_420 15d ago
Is it, though? The only game Amy has worked on recently was Forspoken. I haven't personally played Forspoken, to be fair, but I've never heard anything good about it.
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u/OGBattlefield3Player 14d ago
Yea it is. Uncharted 4 was supposed to be so much sicker. It was going to open with a pirate fight and Elena was going to be in the whole game.
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u/Rhain1999 14d ago
Uncharted is basically his adopted baby too (stepchild?), he has kinda helped raise it since the beginning but obviously not the same way as TLOU
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u/Confidence_Resident 14d ago
Certain people conveniently forget Neil also co-wrote U1 and U2...
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u/Rhain1999 14d ago
Exactly! Obviously it's still Amy Hennig's baby, but some people think Neil only worked on U4 for some reason
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u/Brosemite17 15d ago
Careful...might offend some ppl who prioritize one individual at the co over great IPs or just gaming in itself
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u/UnchartedLand Nate ladrão roubou meu coração 14d ago
You're poking a hornets nest, dude. That being said, I loved it.
Edit: Adding more text
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u/ImHereForTheMemes184 15d ago
i wont act like there isnt an issue at Naughty Dog, because there is, but its so funny to me how gamers have defaulted to conspiracies about a single man instead of admitting this is an industry wide issue. Sony forced their studios to work in their GaaS initiative, and it was Factions 2 that clearly wasted time and resources. And the same is probably happening right now to Insomiac and Guerrila with their online games (pretty sure spiderman online was cancelled, but HZD online wasnt). It's just so silly to act like a single guy is responsible for an industry wide issue, present on studios he doesnt even work at, just because the internet hates him lol.
Also... come on we know the TLOU1 remake was mostly outsourced until the very end, and that the TLOU2 remaster was made by new hires at Naughty Dog to train them. Whats the waste of resources there? Like... do people also think that the legacy of thieves collection was a massive waste of resources and the reason why ND doesnt make games right now? Or do they apply common sense there because it isnt tlou lol.
Also, I'll say this a million times, Uncharted 4 was an amazing ending. Why butcher it with a 5th game? (Damn I fell for the ragebait).