r/uncharted • u/optimu_ • 6d ago
elena the journalist can shoot and kill trained mercenaries + keep up with nate, but god forbid a black woman with literal military training beats up a man
i cannot believe this idiocy still exists lol
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u/GypsyTony416ix 6d ago
Insane, Uncharted is highly unrealistic anyways, majority of the stuff Nate faces thereās no way he wouldāve survived but survived it regardless.
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u/Anonnisanall 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah, if this was the first physical feat he found unrealistic, he should never try rock climbing. Manās gonna think he can drop several metres and catch an inch wide ledge with his fingertips
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u/The810kid 6d ago
Nate and Sully would have burnt their hands trying to escape the burning Chateau in uncharted 3. Nate would have lost his fingers and toes to frost bite in uncharted 2. The fans spent 3 games suspending their disbelief but when it comes to Nadine now they can't believe it.
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u/niki2907 6d ago
now that you say it, Nate should have had trouble climbing up a train with those fingers š
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u/ElToroMuyLoco 6d ago
Nate single handily takes on a whole private military organization while being an adventurer. I mean come on dude... How woke is that!
Although I guess that's all of these guys wet dreams when they keep shouting '2nd amendment' and hold tightly to their guns while falling asleep.
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u/Bionic_Ninjas 5d ago
It's never woke when the person involved, real or fictional, is a white man. Never forget that.
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u/Cold_Butterscotch107 three goddamn bullets!!! 6d ago
Out of all the things he has faced, I still think the desert in u3 was the most unsurvivable experience.
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u/Bionic_Ninjas 5d ago
Easily. Several days in one of the hottest and driest and largest deserts on earth (routinely tops 120F/49C) without water will kill you no matter how great an adventurer you are.
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u/Mountain_System3066 6d ago
so far i know climbing out a torpedo tube is impossible..this things have hatches in the front too...and this ones are closed if the boat is not preparing to fire :D
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u/beholdthecolossus 6d ago
not to mention that Elaina immediately takes to deftly murdering countless men like it's nothing.
or that Chloe is just as capable as Nate throughout Uncharted 2 and 3.
i wonder what it is about Nadine specifically as a character that inspires this reaction from certain people. what could it possible be, i wonder? hmm.
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u/Lazy-Juggernaut-5306 6d ago
I think Nadine being able to take both Nate and Sam at the same time is what these people are mainly complaining about. With that being said, I don't care at all I like Nadine as a character. I really enjoyed the Lost Legacy as well!
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u/beholdthecolossus 6d ago
sure, but the game also goes out of its way to show that she's extremely good at what she does and runs her own mercenary company. i think OC's point is that if Elaina can take to combat that easily just as a journalist with seemingly no prior experience, Nadine having the background she does basically means she's a superhero.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
yep ! my point was also that no one complains about the elena situation yet iāve seen soooo many people be mad about nadine
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u/Gold-Fig1360 6d ago
Tbf. Pointing a gun and shooting is much easier than 1 v2 full grown men in hand to hand combat like Nadine did. Plus, I think a lot is more upset by the fact that nate literally couldn't touch her without cheap shots that get to people.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
maybe, point still stands that realism has never really been a thing in this series
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u/Gold-Fig1360 6d ago
Yes, but that's the point. Most of uncharted is over the top and unbelievable. So it's easy to not believe it. The fight scene is a situation most people will automatically try to rationalize it. And when it gets rationalized, it doesn't make sense. whereas the rest is meant to be unbelievable. No one believes he would survive the opening of uc2. People believe he should win a 1 v1 against a woman when nate has beaten other military people 1v1.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 6d ago
why would they make Nadine beat Nate then?
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u/Gold-Fig1360 6d ago
To showcase that women are equal to men. Druckman constantly gets shit on for his support for women for some reason. All his recent games showcase women man handling men.
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u/Neat_Breakfast_6659 6d ago
Nothing like male-targeted violence to showcase the beauty of Gender equality. Ironically i enjoy most of Druckman's games but damn theres a theme here
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u/bluescale77 5d ago
Pointing a gun and shooting at moving targets, often while loving yourself, is not easy. Elena has no training as a marksman that we know of, yet people are willing to shrug that off without much effort. But a black woman being able to fight and beat two white menā¦heavens to Betsy, thatās just a bridge too far!
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u/Gold-Fig1360 5d ago
Neither does nate. He learned on the road. In game Elena never does anything more than hide and cover shoot which you don't need aim for. Only points it at someone in cutscene. So where does she need the training? Shooting at moving target is easy. Hitting them is hard. Again which isn't relevant to Elena who doesn't actually shoot at people.
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u/Moribunned 5d ago
She is a straight up boss character and you encounter her at a very inconvenient time to face a boss character. Itās part of the rising and falling action of good storytelling.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
yeah i guess i can get that point specifically, still its sus af to be mad at the Ā«Ā woke black womanĀ Ā» cuz apparently women can never win fights lmao like out of everything thats unreasonable in these games they point this out, hmmm š§
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u/beholdthecolossus 6d ago
giant, immortal blue men from what seems like a literal pocket dimension? totally fine. a woman beating up two men? how am i supposed to believe this?!
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u/-one_last_chance- 3d ago
Without context from lost legacy (since I haven't played that yet) I thought she was an annoyingly smug cunt. Base game gives you very little reason to like her, even moreso when she's not an especially competent leader. (Who digs for treasure with dynamite?)
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u/Lazy-Juggernaut-5306 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah she doesn't come across as the nicest character in Uncharted 4 especially because she's working with the enemy but Lost Legacy made her a lot more likeable
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
totally agree, but yeah total mystery fs fs
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u/icelandiccubicle20 6d ago
I think it's kinda unfair that the game doesn't let you fight back against her, basically. and that she can somehow take on both you and sam. it's not something that's not going to make me rage like critical drinker or anything like that though, haha. (and obviously not because she's a black woman, I think she's a great character even if I find her fight scenes a bit silly although the games aren't exactly realistic tbf)
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u/bluescale77 5d ago
The game is full of scripted moments that are either cut scenes or playable, but end in a specific way. Naughty Dog makes games that have a linear story with no player choices. Why would this be different?
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u/WillFanofMany 6d ago
It's the fact she enters and leaves 4 without some feeling that she lost. Her beating Nate in the first fight is fine, her dominating Nate and Sam in the second fight pushes it, especially with Nate being unable to hit her once in either fight, and Neil only having it because he thinks it's funny doesn't help.
Lost legacy literally had to use exposition to make 4 a failure for her, and suddenly everyone's manhandling her in a fight.
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u/The810kid 6d ago
Nate brought down an entire roof on her head and Sam held her at Gun point and needed Nate to save her from getting killed while Rafe shrugged it off thinking they didn't have the stones. She absolutely was humbled. Flynn and Eddy are never beaten by Nate specifically but no one ever complains despite Flynn causing far more pain to Nate like betraying him and sending you to Jail to rot and shooting you in the gut. The rat bastard even gives one last middle finger in his death and almost takes out Elena to get the last laugh on Nate.
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u/Complex-Camp-6462 3d ago
So many examples of these dudes going back to old games that they enjoyed and going āoh wow itās actually woke and cringeā. They seem so close yet so far to realizing that the only thing thatās changed is that they have a much more hate fueled mindset and shut themselves out from experiences more easily over small reasons. But they always seem to miss the idea that theyāre actively cherry picking examples to fit a narrative. Getting taken out of uncharted because something is āunrealisticā is genuinely one of the most laughable excuses at thinly veiled bigotry Iāve seen in a while. These dudes genuinely have no awareness of how incredibly stupid they look and sound.
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u/Idfk_1 6d ago
Drake is a good fighter but hes self-taught. And most of the people he fights most likely are the same or have very little training. Nadine used her agility and small size to her advantage when fighting. Can't be beat when you can't be touched. Also, Uncharted is far from realistic
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u/huntymo Harry Flynn 6d ago edited 6d ago
And most of the people he fights most likely are the same or have very little training.
What? Most Uncharted enemies are either paramilitary groups or mercenaries with a military background. Aside from the supernatural enemies and pirates, they're all highly-trained soldiers.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with the idea of Nadine having more training than Nate and beating him 1v1, but to say most Uncharted enemies have no training is just crazy.
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u/Idfk_1 6d ago
Yeah, I'll admit I was probably wrong there. But Nadine is like, a legitimate martial artist. The other guys weren't nearly as trained as her. Or quick
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u/huntymo Harry Flynn 6d ago
Nadine is a highly-trained, super-elite soldier, but I doubt she'd consider herself a "martial artist." Hand to hand combat is still a last resort for her, even if she's really good at it. It's not like she has any extensive training in any specific martial art, as far as we know.
She's like a woman version of Rambo. Rambo takes out enemy numbers on the level of Nate and Nadine, and no soldier or thief is ever gonna beat Rambo in a 1v1 fist fight, but Rambo is still by no means a martial artist.
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u/Idfk_1 6d ago
Some online wiki's do describe her as a master martial artist and others just a paramilitary leader. So, it seems people are pretty divided on that part. It just seemed like a fitting descriptor to me. And she seems to be trained in multiple styles, just taking what's most effective for her from each style
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u/Jamalofsiwa 6d ago
Probably just cauee she beat up two grown men who have killed 100s of people. Is there actual background to this or does the wiki just describe as such
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u/CrimsonHeroic 6d ago
Nate was also pushing 40 and had been out of the business for a few years. Heās always been more of a sharpshooter anyway, he can throw a mean punch but heās way scarier with a gun. (Unless i am playing him.)
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u/The810kid 6d ago
I don't know why people never factor in fatigue as well. The Drake brothers had been through the ringer when they fight Nadine and she was fresh in peak fighting condition.
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u/-one_last_chance- 3d ago
By the time she 1v2s nate and same, they'd all been run down by stress and exertion. Sure the drakes would be moreso, but the size, reach, and therefore power advantage they would have should more than make up the difference, not to mention that both drakes are incredibly intelligent and equally dirty fighters.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
yes ! literally what is realistic about some of the things that nate survives through ??
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u/slowpotato927 6d ago
Exactly the issue, people will suspend their disbelief and happily accept Nate fighting hundreds of soldiers, overcoming supernatural enemies and surviving ludicrous set pieces, but draw the line at him being beaten up by a woman. It's an absurd argument.
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u/hotcapicola 6d ago
Like you said the game is unrealistic so it doesnāt bother me, but itās unrealistic.
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u/BregoB55 6d ago
Yeah Nate is very scrappy while Nadine is trained and polished. Most of the time he can win a fight but does take damage at times (like the opening prison fight in 4). He's very much a brawler.
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u/Jamalofsiwa 6d ago
Drake literally beats 100s of Nadineās men who would be trained like her lmao
What is with with subs cope. You can just admit itās strange that Nadine beats both drake brothers at the same time in hand to hand
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u/Least-Yak1640 6d ago
The fact that people can post stuff like this and still manage to do grown up things, like hold a job and not shit on themselves hourly, never ceases to amaze me.
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u/KraftTheFourth 6d ago
āThe world is realistic and groundedā
But also here are zombies, curses, thousand year old shambhalans, and a protagonist whose fingers donāt break every single time he jumps off a cliff or a ledge breaks beneath him.
These people are so stupid b
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u/Nabber22 5d ago
I just find it lame when a game takes away most of your moveset so that a character can beat you at a fight.
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u/freshblood96 6d ago
I've been training martial arts my whole life. And smaller women with better skills have kicked my ass.
Right now a small female purple belt in my Jiujitsu gym can find ways to strangle the shit out of me, and I'm twice her weight and size and just a blue belt.
That idiot is ignorant and is just mad that a woman with training can beat men who only know how to brawl.
Size and strength (and sex) matter, but you have to have technique. The "weight classes exist" should be immediately followed up by saying "in combat sports where two athletes have equal amounts of training." Even then, some combat sports have open weight divisions and smaller guys can find ways to dominate big dudes.
Fucking idiots.
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u/Legitimate-Fix3285 1d ago
So in a life or death street fight between you and the small female purple belt the result is 50-50 right? Because I think having a referee and rules changes quite a few things so it makes your point irrelevant.
In the second fight in the game two grown men who can really get down to business and have won countless fights against private military men can't even hit a military trained woman being on her own. Even If Nadine was a man that fight wouldn't be very realistic.
I think it's safe to say there is a bit of an angle in those fights, especially knowing neil and his later work.
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u/man_on_hill 6d ago
Nate gets his ass handed to him every game
I more so have an objection to how easily Assad handles Nadine in LL
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u/Hwan_Niggles 6d ago
Guy has the same level of training, maybe more. Hell it took both Chloe and Nadine to beat him and some luck
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u/M4HARAJA 6d ago
niggas be seeing a women of color in a game and just lose their shit
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u/AlexusLuthor 6d ago
Nate being able to lasso a grappling hook onto a hanging branch by throwing it, and it HOLDING HIS WEIGHT, is realistic but this isnāt???
God I hate sexism.
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u/SadBoi0910 6d ago
Mind you, this is the same game franchise where zombie creatures are created from inhaling an evil toxin from a magical golden casket. Where 10 foot tall purple humanoid beasts protect the city with special golden crossbows, and in the same game where the main villain drinks a special magical blue sap that made him borderline immortal and healed every wound and scar he's ever had, and can only be hurt by said blue sap that also creates a special fire and explosions. Where water is so contaminated, you begin to hallucinate fire demons that if they kill you in the hallucinations, you die in real life.
A game franchise where a regular ass dude can survive a vital gunshot wound from a Deagle for hours while dangling off a wrecked train. Where a regular ass man can survive a cruise ship crashing. Where a regular ass man can survive a plane crash in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
But yeah, the military trained woman beating up a guy is what ruins the immersion and makes this completely unrealistic lmao.
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u/PhanTmmml 6d ago
i guess that dude just missed when Asav beat the hell out of Chloe and Nadine at the same time.
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u/casedawgz 6d ago
I just donāt like that Nate never gets his win back over the course of the game. Presumably her mercenary company are also highly trained just like her and Nate basically dogwalks them, the feats Nate has are just crazy for him to have multiple complete losses against her
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u/Anonnisanall 6d ago
I think thatās a little bit the point though too, as sheās the only one who has enough sense to walk away by the end. Nate never takes her down because she takes the right choice, unlike Rafe
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u/casedawgz 6d ago
Iād argue she makes the right choice far too late though. Hundreds of her employees die and she just leaves. I thought she was well handled in Lost Legacy and I like her there but the karma houdini act in 4 feels very jarring.
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u/The810kid 6d ago
Did you have a problem with Nate getting bitched by Flynn all of Uncharted 2 and never getting to get payback on the guy who stabs you in the back, sends you to Jail to rot, shoots you in the gut, and almost kills your girlfriend going out in a blaze of glory?
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u/AccomplishedGarbage1 6d ago
But that blaze of glory is his comeuppance, which only happens because he is, like once drake was, betrayed. Nadine, however, is the first antagonist from Uncharted series that doesn't lose or suffer in any meaningful way. It makes her stick out like a sore thumb.
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u/The810kid 6d ago
Flynn gets commuppance by Lazarevitch and it's not enjoyable because he almost kills Elena. You don't go that asshole finally got what he deserved. You go oh no Elena please don't die and Flynn you son of a bitch. Nadine literally loses her family inheritance which is why she is biter towards the Drake's. I wouldn't call that meaningful. She had to reinvent herself and find a whole new way of life post UC4.
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u/AccomplishedGarbage1 6d ago
I think you are letting you personal opinions get the best of you in relation to Flynn. I, personally, remember feeling vindicated when he met his end by being betrayed by Lazarevitch, karmic justice. What he does to Elena creates tension, but it doesn't erase how his end was.
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u/Mission_Coast_6654 6d ago
even nolan north himself said he didn't like that nadine is the only villain that walked away š¤·āāļø
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u/thesnowlocke 6d ago
I donāt get this, the fight literally ends with Nate thinking outside the box and punches the two through the floor
It also ends with the Drakes winning the fight since they had the gun on her which to me sounds like a win
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u/Correct_Asparagus291 6d ago
I was fine with Nadine winning the first fight. It was the second one with both Nate and Sam tag teaming her that I went āNo.ā. It doesnāt matter sheās a trained fighter. Men are naturally stronger than women and Nate and Sam are both muscled men who know how to fight too.
Nate literally fought an entire room of pirates fist to fist and won. Youāre telling me that guy loses to a petite woman that knows how to throw a kick with his equally skilled brother helping him? I call absolute bullshit.
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u/Rhain1999 6d ago
I just donāt know why people care so much
She won because the story says so. Thatās really all there is to it lmao
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u/DVDN27 6d ago
āPetite womanā and itās a muscular and well trained soldier. Nate and Sam also arenāt skilled, they just got into fist fights. Itās like complaining that an MMA fighter beats two drunkards.
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u/VinhoVerde21 6d ago
Nate regularly beat up rooms of trained mercenaries and soldiers by himself. In U3, he can defeat men double his weight with his fists. Calling him a ādrunkardā is as comically wrong as calling Nadine a āpetite womanā.
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u/Wooble_R 6d ago
"where the world is realistic and grounded"
yeah sure let me just ignore the nazi zombies, shambhala and the giant desert city
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u/pnoisebored 6d ago
if uncharted is realistic nate would have died from infections: he was wading in jungle waters while wounded. lol
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u/MarioShu27 6d ago
Heās right they should go back to him falling out of a plane mid flight and landing on a crate that had a parachute attached that he could deploy.
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u/wallpressure7 5d ago
Let's not forget Nate is rusty as hell, Prime Nathan would eat her for lunch lol
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u/SolidLuxi 1d ago
Sully is an old man, fuelled by cigars and whiskey, hopping up cliffsides like a gecko.
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u/ShotStatistician4817 6d ago
Nadine was getting her butt whooped by Asav even in a 2v1 encounter.
You're telling me Nathan Drake who beat up 7 feet man mountains and countless mercenaries can't even land a punch ?
Yeah I'm sorry I call BS on that it's obvious the writer was pushing an agenda.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
or maybe the writing is just inconsistent ? donāt think anyone wouldāve thought they were Ā«Ā pushing an agendaĀ Ā» if it had been a white woman (except incredibly sexist bigots) but oh well
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u/ShotStatistician4817 6d ago
I think you're more bothered by race than anyone else.
What difference does it make whether Nadine was white or not ? That seems to be more of a you issue.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
the steam op clearly states that they donāt like the Ā«Ā wokeĀ Ā» aspect of nadineās character. hmm what could that be about other than putting a black woman in a position of power and advantage ? someone doesnāt have to be blatantly yelling slurs to have recognizably racist biases in their critiques.
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u/ShotStatistician4817 6d ago
People were also upset with Abby and she was white which disproves your theory of race being the sole purpose.
The fight scene was total trash you had no control over it just to get dominated and show how overpowered Nadine was it was a ridiculous agenda driven pile of crap from Neil Druckmann.
There's nothing wrong with showing a strong female lead but the way those fight scenes were handled were total nonsense for fans of the series who know of Nathan Drakes past feats.
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u/Dr4g0n__Kn1ght 6d ago
I don't think it's being woke to have Nadine kick Nate's ass, he's just a slugger with a lot of luck. It's not even woke for her to beat up Nate AND Sam... A little silly, but not woke. This guy is just weird.
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u/Kabraxal 6d ago
The first fight was fine, the second fight against two men started pushing it too far but okayā¦ what makes it truly awful is that you never get the third fight where she loses. Ā
And then Lost Legacy happens and she and Chloe then struggle with one dude. Ā But then Lost Legacy really highlights a lot of issues with Uncharted 4ās writing. Ā Uncharted 4 lost the identity of the franchise.
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u/Darkavenger_13 6d ago
Without trying to sound like a fencesitter. While I did not mind Nadine Ross beating up Nate as he just returned to the game after a long break. I did find her dominating Nate AND Sam to be a little ridiculous. I mean considering Nate has taken down, secret service agents with superhuman abilities, a roided up Major on a train surrounded by a private army, and while Iām not against a woman beating up a man with good technique like Nadine did at first. It did tether on silly with both Drake brothers. 2v1 is already hard with any martial arts, 2v1 against one guy who spent over 10 years in prison and against one who is also very profecient in martial arts was a little too far imo.
That being said I enjoyed Nadineās character ALOT more after Lost legacy fleshed her out, because to me atleast she was the weaker aspect of UC4. Not bad, just overshadowed by Rafe and the main cast.
The idea that Nadine is bad because she is female and black though is fucking ridiculous I dont swing with that dude OP showed at ALL
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u/Huge-Share146 6d ago
You would think this person would have a huge issue with Nate falling down so many steep cliffs and just happening to hit a perfect throw of a hook on a tree that just happens to not break under his weight.
But hey defying all laws of physics is ok for a man but god forbid a woman antagonist kick your ass.
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u/501st_-LegionPSN 6d ago
No, it's flawed and stupid because for some reason he's scared and can't take on some woman. Then on top of that she can take on two men,
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u/Smoid 6d ago
Holy clown. Nathan is old, and had been out of the game for quite some time before Uncharted 4. Heās still got what it takes to climb from place to place, but Nathan was never really a great fighter in the first place. Sure, he knew how to handle a street fight, but the difference in skill is immense between the two.
Iād also like to point out, the loser used Metroid and Bayanetta, where those characters are the actual protagonist of their games, and also their designs are made to be sexual if not at the very least appealing to a demographic.
That mf is a gooner who only likes women characterās who they can jack off too.
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u/LS-Lizzy 6d ago
Guess he missed the part where Nadine is a trained mercenary who has been in active duty while Drakes been at home eating hamburger helper for the past several years.
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u/DontWantToThnkOfName 6d ago
I'm especially pissed about the mma thing. He clearly knows nothing about martial arts, so I'd bet any average female athlete could fold his ass.
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u/ShawnSpencerPsychDet 6d ago
I didnāt like her as a character because I felt she didnāt really serve a purpose but I loved the scene of her fighting Nate and then later Nate and Sam. Showed their street fighting and age versus actual combat training
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u/Confidence_Resident 6d ago
Certain people complain about it because Neil Druckmann's name is attached to U4 (even though that gameplay sequence, like all the others, was designed by Bruce Straley, lol). They irrationally hate that dude, it's crazy.
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u/CutHonest6906 6d ago
I mean over the first three uncharted games Nathan Drake is shown to basically be invincible, he can stand toe to toe with ancient peoples and souped up superhumans. While I donāt agree that itās ācringe wokeā because thatās just right wing bs, she should have not been able to even touch drake, itās like he was nerfed when fighting her for no reason.
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u/CommanderM3tro 6d ago
Don't forget expert martial artist as well! Regardless of whether she could or not, it's still just a game!
And in the 4th installment of Uncharted, viewing two small scenes through the lens of realism is a wild take!
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u/Agitated-Bread5092 6d ago
nadine taking out Nathan and Sam is a joke, it's still is. besides that I like nadine as a character
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u/Particular-Ad-5286 6d ago
Realism and believability are two different things. Anyway, my problem was never really loosing the fight, but the way the game presented it. Found it annoying. 4 wasn't really on my wavelength, anyway, so many things felt that way to me. No shade to those who did enjoy it.
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u/Shrav4422 6d ago
I donāt think you can correlate realism with the Uncharted series at all lmao. I mean itās an adventure game designed to make you fall in love with the character and gameplay. I donāt understand how this person can be appalled by Nadine but be totally fine with self taught Nate beating the ever living shit out of trained mercs, or hanging on to ledges with his fingertips, etc.
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u/Shane-O-Mac1 6d ago
I mean, if the games literally didn't include guns and just had hand-to-hand combat relying on pure strength, then I'd agree with it being cringe woke. But it does have guns, so no, it's not cringe woke.
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u/Positive_Manner_3098 6d ago
"realistic and grounded".....because yes, a single man can take out literally hundreds if not thousands of heavily armed, highly trained mercenaries, climb icy mountains in a wool jacket and barehanded and immediately heal from gunshot wounds.
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u/Fine_Sir_3641 6d ago
I mean woke nonsense like what the guy is trying to point out certainly does exist elsewhere, but this isn't an example of it obviously. There are countless examples in the Uncharted series of stuff not logically making sense and characters fighting like they're in a dream purely for the sake of the game š
He obviously hasn't played Lost Legacy!
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u/Harryhanzo 6d ago
The most dumbest take I have ever seen . Nadine is the leader of a paramilitary group and have been involved with the army since her adolescence. Ofocurse she has more training with CQC and obviously guns too . Nate is self taught and never got any professional training .
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u/Racoonaissance 6d ago
I found it refreshing to see Nadine cutting loose, to see the heroes be vulnerable, and to actually doubt they might succeed. Nadine is a complex character, and has earned this win in a way that Rafe, for example, has not.
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u/StandardVirus 6d ago
i think the problem is that they introduce the character, and need to prove that she's strong by beating up nathan drake. it's kinda a poor trope that's used to show the strength of a new character, a.k.a the worf effect.
i'm ok with the character, but i didn't really like her that much, i found elana just a little more likeable... iirc lol... it's been awhile since i've played them, but i know by 3 and 4 i liked her at least
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u/Nice-Friendship-1779 6d ago
And what are you trying to do by posting this? Want to start a fight?
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u/Relative_Molasses_15 2d ago
A fight? Donāt you mean redditors sweating over their keyboards because brown people and women exist?
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u/Biichimspiderman 6d ago
I like watching the firecracker Nadine Ross. Even more so in Lost Legacy š„µ
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u/BillyCahstiganJr 6d ago
never mind the required suspension of disbelief for games, which this person clearly doesn't have, but wasnt Nadine buff as shit? like, didn't she have huge shoulders and arms? it doesn't take that much suspension of disbelief to believe that this jacked, trained, motivated woman could beat up someone's who's essentially just a treasure hunter who's okay at fighting?
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u/fabmarques21 6d ago
its a fucking game, people are so far from reality nowadays that everything has to be political, what a shame.
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u/insert_quirky_name 6d ago
My only issue with that is that narratively Nadine should have beaten Nadine in the second fight. Sam dropping down and being like "you have to beat us both", plus the fact that it's essentially the same battle happening again, makes it weird that it's once again a scripted loss.
Have it be a very difficult boss battle, Nadine is a highly trained mercenary after all, but make the second time a win. It's about being rewarding for the player, not merely realism (frankly an Uncharted fan crying about realism is a bit ridiculous, cmon guys).
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u/Darijan_Trst 6d ago
Yes, Nadine Ross is a woke character, the whole game is woke.
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u/optimu_ 6d ago
yes 2 brothers searching for a lost pirate utopia on a forgotten island is definitely woke propanganda, for sure
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u/Darijan_Trst 6d ago
My mistake, I've forgotten that she is also in 4th game. I meant 5th game. 4th is partially, 20%.
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u/NeedleworkerNo1029 6d ago
I am watching her again in U4 and I think she's a little bit cringe on how arrogant she sounds. We literally have the Nate brothers decimate her armies but still I like her more in Lost legacy they evolve her a lot in my opinion
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u/summerjamsam 5d ago
I have the same thought whenever Nathan manages to grab the edge of a cliff after a 30ft drop. They made those cliffs way too woke.
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u/Mental-Street6665 5d ago
Elena wasnāt anywhere near as OP as Nadine; donāt even pretend otherwise.
It was mainly Nadineās personality that made her grating in the base game of Uncharted 4 but she was much more tolerable as she was explored more thoroughly in TLL.
Interestingly, this problem doesnāt exist with Chloe at all.
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u/Nikillix 5d ago
We got a game where there's sasquaches,jumping on a piece of floor during a sand slide,falling 200 feet off a cliff and grabbing onto a ledge completely fine,swinging over mountains with a rope attached to a branch and running on a train actively falling off a bridge,but God forbid a combat specialist who trained in the military and can parkour like Nate,beat him up.
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u/Bionic_Ninjas 5d ago
Either this guy has never actually played the games, or he's one of those people who goes into Steam forums looking to rack up as many Jester awards as possible by saying the dumbest shit they can think of. I still can't believe Valve thought that incentivizing trolling through awards was a good idea, as it's turned most community hubs on Steam into, well, steaming piles of stupidity.
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u/Zealousideal_Car_532 5d ago
Gamers are okay with strong women but only when theyāre the protag or helping a male protag, itās insane
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u/darkLordSantaClaus 5d ago
You need to understand, Uncharted 1-3 came out before gamergate. Uncharted 4 came out after gamergate. Thus the manufactured outrage. Pre 2014 there really wasn't much incentive for Youtubers to complain about "wokeness" so it largely went unnoticed.
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u/Milla179 5d ago
Why do some men like those always want to dismiss strong women characters and athletes š¤£š¤£ why are they sooo insecure to see such strong female characters. That statement he made about professional MMA fighter can be ragdolled by an amateur man, very disturbing
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u/xObiJuanKenobix 5d ago
For the love of christ, the main issue people have with her over the years is she gets away with no consequences in U4. Lost legacy retconned this but before that came out, all we had was U4. She basically never lost a fight, never lost anything, then got away for free at the end, while being a main villain of the game. That never happened with any other villain in the series, everyone else got their comeuppance. Even Nolan North said the same thing. Not to mention, you win fist fights with literally everyone else in the 3 games prior, so for her to randomly show up and completely dumpster you and you never get a chance for revenge or to win against her, that rings hollow at the end.
Using one random person complaining about woke as an excuse to avoid all criticism of the character is just disingenuous at best. This is like reading one twitter comment and coming to a conclusion about something
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u/xxVickey 5d ago
Yeah, but when Sully, as a 70 year old man, is free running like Nate and winning fights from army trained soldiers that's totally realistic.
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u/daddy-ketchup 5d ago
You're right, Elena is as ridiculous as Nadine. What's your take on OPs 3rd paragraph?
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u/HylianNinjcg Mummies that go boom 5d ago
I get that he got a few years older and was out of the game, but he went from beating up a dozen agents in a fish market to not being able to beat one person with military training
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u/Particular_Resort297 5d ago
Well I donāt see an issue of him due to her being black/dark skinned.
To be be fair I understand his point to some degree.
Hereās my pov. Iāve got martial arts background (10 years experience). Given the right circumstances a woman can overpower a man. Iāve seen this couple of times. Letās Analyse it a bit:
Nadine is in her 30s, well trained, looks fit, commands a PMC, she has combat and field experience. I would put her at around 5ā6ā - 5ā7ā in height, as she appears slightly smaller than Chloe who is a confirmed 5ā8ā by Naughty Dogs.
Now, she looks more stronger/built than Chloe and most people tend to underestimate women in general in terms of fighting & power.
Now we take a look at a real life example. Take an average human male, average size (not Reddit mod size), weight, height etc. I believe a trained woman like e.g. Gina Corano would hold her ground against him quite well, chances are high she could overpower him.
Now we take another few aspects into considerations.
Nate and Sam are āgoodā guys, they want to get a treasure without bloodshed if possible. Theyāre usually outnumbered when they are forced to strike first, yet they donāt enjoy killing and usually act in self defense. Nate tried to safe Eddie and Marlow for example. Both donāt seem to be willing to hit a woman let alone fight against her as itās deemed āunfairā even on a subconscious logic (belief me, I sparred against women, it is different than against men).
In the first encounter of Nadine, Nate doesnāt see her as a threat in general and wants to reason. Btw. At that time Nate was leading a normal life for some years and didnāt fought that often anymore. So he was out of practice and he is aging. Heās out of his prime and in his late 30s While Nadine is in her early/mid 30s and still in the game.
At first he seemed confused and startled, only after realizing Nadine ment business he lands a few punches.
Next is the Sam, Nate vs. Nadine fight. Nadine now tries to divide and conquer. Only to have one guy to fight at a time.
And in Lost Legacy she finds her Match in Asav. She struggles even to together with Chloe to fight him 2 on 1, which looks like a more ārealisticā fight. Yes Asav is older yet he seems to be in good shape, practicing regularly and has a cause to fight. Plus, due to their common history, Nadine seems afraid of him and he has no problem in killing them, so no he was t going for a fair sportsman ship fight.
Conclusion: I get lot ppl. saying this was unrealistic, yet it wasnāt as girlbossy boring as many other installments. It was quite good most of the time. After all itās a game with Shambala Guardians, Nazi-Zombies and Djin(-water).
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u/Relative_Molasses_15 2d ago
Look guys, somebody who has the capacity for abstract thought.
Amazing.
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u/Intrepid_Mobile 5d ago
They should search for Polyana Viana, the brazilian mma fighter that destroyed her armed robber. I am pretty sure that was written by a cringe incel who would be crushed if he was on a fight with a female teenager who never trained in her life.
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u/apixelbloom 5d ago
Not sure I'd go so far to say "accomplished" fighter... Most of the time he gets out of boss fist fights by fluke or ally intervention xD
Accomplished shooter, sure. Accomplished hand-to-hand combatant? Eh... Not to the same extent as Nadine, and definitely not in Uncharted 4, where he's been out of practise for a long while.
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u/Moribunned 5d ago
Chloe and Elena never scrutinized one bit.
As soon as Nadine pops up, suddenly people get critical.
They either hate women or this is another āhow dare they suggest my special little boy canāt handle anything that comes his wayā, like in TLoU2.
Hate to break the sobering news, but women can be pretty powerful too fellas. I know your mother is probably afraid of bugs and canāt lift a jug of water unassisted, but your mothers arenāt the best women have to offer.
Born into a merc/military family. Trained her whole life as a warrior, but an āadventurerā is supposed to have the upper hand?
So many gamers are so willfully obtuse.
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u/Relative_Molasses_15 2d ago
I bet you most of them are American.
There is like aā¦..weird pride about being stupid in this country.
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u/Better_Philosopher24 5d ago
yall never had the thought the he actually DOESNT WANT to beat a woman?
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u/waltham845 3d ago
So ok Nate knows fighting bare knuckle style, Nadine probably has multiple years of Martial Arts training and Bare Knuckle fighting under her belt, sooo who would win?
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u/Southern_Basil7019 3d ago
Iāve seen plenty of woman knock other men out sooooooooooooooooooooooo
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u/-one_last_chance- 3d ago
I was more annoyed by the forced loss scenario of combat in the auction heist because the game removes you're ability to dodge and lacks a more effective counter. Im fine with her beating ass, but it would've been nice to at least be able to put up more of a fight.
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u/aligulumgg 3d ago
I understand nadine can be strong but LL kinda ruined it
So assad>nadine+chloe>nadine>drake brothers together? This literally means assads finger is enough to beat Nathans ass
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u/Strapinloser 3d ago
For me itās not about any āwokeā culture war anything. Itās the fact that they actively cripple the player in the fight. You canāt counter, you canāt block, dodging is a joke, and forget any combos. I get that Nadine would kick Drakeās ass six ways to Sunday because of her military training and expertise as a the head of a mercenary organization. But there had to be a better way to go about it.
Like if Nate were unable to actually block or parry because Nadine was just that good, then it would be completely forgivable, but to disable those buttons entirely is different. It feels like cheating because itās not an even playing field. Our hands were literally tied.
You know how plot armor is annoying and distracting? The same goes for dev armor, where the devs insist for no reason to hamstring you. Itās highly insulting too, because you canāt just not do anything, they make you fight her even though you canāt possibly win. If theyāre going to do all that, they should just make it a cutscene. I know for me, Iād have been completely fine with that. No need to insult my intelligence by trying to make it seem like thereās a chance.
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u/bigbadbibbins 3d ago
God forbid a black woman beat up two men at the same time who are bigger than her, who can handle themselves, without getting hurt or breaking a sweat.
Nadine slurpers are always so disingenuous.
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u/Relative_Molasses_15 2d ago
Man this shit is so dumb.
Like anything Nathan Drake does is believable.
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u/Admirable-Pie-3753 2d ago
Can people stop using the word woke ffs. Social media yet again taking something, applying it to everything under the sun and driving it into the ground. Its lost its meaning. It used to be the more extreme of situations, but now, if Steve down the road sees someone walking a pitbull with a pink collar and lead on, its some woke shit.... Stop using woke as a way to say you're intolerant and get offended by the way air touches your face
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u/favorited 1d ago
but it really sticks out in a game like Uncharted where the world is realistic and grounded.
Me and a bunch of zombies and yetis completely agree with this point.Ā
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u/ULTI_mato 6d ago
No No No he is right
Nadine should be a 2.2 meter tall unit of a muscle mommy !