r/victorious • u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š • 3d ago
Call me crazy but....
I know Tori kissing Cat's boyfriend was a terrible thing to do. I would be really upset if this ever happened to me but I'd also be somewhat grateful if I were Cat. I mean, now I know that my boyfriend would cheat on me if he was ever given the chance bc Tori didn't force herself on him. They both went for that kiss. Any guy willing to do that isn't worth my time. So if I was Cat I would've definitely ended things there.
Thoughts?
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u/Antique-Ad3178 3d ago
Tori: (Being dumb) Why wonāt Cat talk to me?
AndrƩ: Because you squirted hot cheese in her ear.
Robbie: And played smooshy face with her boyfriend.
Jade: Those things upset some girls.
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u/SparklyChemMajor 2d ago
Right why are you asking that stupid question š
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
I think it was a very valid question. Cat had no reason to be mad. She just kissed her bf. What's wrong with that?
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Nah, fr, though. Who would talk to the person that kissed their bf or gf? Especially if it was a friend.
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u/Dacoda43 2d ago
Yeah, it's already awkward even if you broke up with the person, let alone you still literally dating them
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
Yeah. The whole situation is weird.
Hmmmš¤
The writers could've done better, fr.
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u/Special_Falcon408 Cat Valentine ā¤ļøš» 2d ago
Thatās one of the more minor reasons I didnāt like Tori much. Why did they give her that dumbass line? š
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u/Gold-Collection2636 22h ago
I love how everyone calls her out on it though, other friends might have just offered her empty platitudes
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 3d ago
I definitely would've been pissed at Tori, though. You're supposed to be my friend and you make out with my boyfriend?!
And you're supposed to be my boyfriend, and you're making out with my friend who is also your ex?!
It's crazyš
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u/mmxari Cat Valentine ā¤ļøš» 3d ago
I like Tori but itās not only the boyās fault. As a friend she shouldnāt have done that tho. He may be a cheater but a friend shouldnāt have proven that in that way :(
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u/Particular_Cycle9667 Tori Vega āØš¤ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well, there are some fake friends that do tend to do this and I donāt think Tori is one of those fake friends, but I donāt think she intentionally meant to kiss him either. I donāt think that was the intention. I think as bad as it is to say itās just what ended up happening and then she felt bad about it. Doesnāt make it any less horrible.
Edit: Iām not saying Tori is a fake friend or anything but that there are people out there that claim to be friends that will do crap like this to other people all in the name of testing them.
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u/Expensive-Ad-5032 2d ago
I wouldnāt say sheās a fake friend either, but she was still wrong for kissing Catās bf.
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u/Particular_Cycle9667 Tori Vega āØš¤ 2d ago
Oh, Iām not disagreeing about that at all. But I do think that she wasnāt intending to do that to cat and she felt terrible that she did. Which is probably white cat for gave her because Tori is a good person overall who made a mistake and this area. Still horrible to do to a person and I think that no one would blame cat if she hadnāt forgiven her, but if thatās the worst thing, Toriās ever done, I guess that says a lot. Still like I said a pretty horrible thing to do to someone, but it wouldāve been a lot worse if Tori set out to do it in the first place.
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u/mmxari Cat Valentine ā¤ļøš» 2d ago
I never said she was a fake friend, nobody is perfect. But she was so wrong for doing that, she could have pushed him away tho itās still something you donāt do to a friend, no matter what.
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u/Particular_Cycle9667 Tori Vega āØš¤ 2d ago
I wasnāt calling Tori, a fake friend and I wasnāt saying that you were either. I was merely mentioning that there are some people like that in the real world that pretend to be your friend and arenāt and do things like testing your boyfriends.
I think you took my comment out of context.
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u/mmxari Cat Valentine ā¤ļøš» 2d ago
Omg so sorry then I think this scene was made to show Toriās development too like the scene with Beck. And ure right like it was a one time mistake :( And yes I didnāt understand it Iām sorry :(
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u/Particular_Cycle9667 Tori Vega āØš¤ 2d ago
Itās fine I donāt think youāre the only one since Iām getting a lot of down votes. But everyoneās in town to their opinion.
And yes, I think it was a one time sake of Toriās and she didnāt need to happen, but it was still horrible for both parties. And I think a lot of people wish Tori hadnāt done this.
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u/mmxari Cat Valentine ā¤ļøš» 2d ago
yeahhhhh but I donāt understand why the hate goes on Victoria Justice like even if somebody donāt find her character Ā«Ā not likeableĀ Ā» itās the writers fault. Everyone can have an opinion about a character but hating on an actress that just played it is too weird :( ( I think people would have read the comments under this so you wonāt be downvoted anymore for misunderstanding)
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u/Particular_Cycle9667 Tori Vega āØš¤ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Possibly but Iām not really paying it any mind at the moment, haters are gonna hate right? So I edited the comment if they still donāt understand thatās on them and I donāt need to put energy into it. I know what I meant and you know what I meant and thatās what really matters.
But I do think youāre right on the actresses is not cool.
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
Excuse me for being nosyš. I definitely agree with you, though. I'm not a fan of Jade, but that doesn't mean that I hate Liz Gillies. I really like her, and I especially love her singing voice and the control she has over her powerful voice. She seems to be really chill.
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u/SparklyChemMajor 2d ago
Cat was soooo sweet too š like she basically kicked a puppy. It was sooo sad when she just started crying.
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u/quequequeee 2d ago
Lmao thatās why Cat rocked her.Ā
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u/Branchca_Artist AndrĆ© Harris š¶š¹ 2d ago
And yet, Tori asks why Cat won't talk to her.
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
I'd be confused, too. I mean, she just kissed her boyfriend. It's not like she did anything wrongš. Nobody would mind if their friend kissed their bf.
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
Jk, it was definitely stupid of her to wonder why she was madš
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u/Ok-Material7304 2d ago
Grateful? It shouldnāt have taken a trusted friend snogging your bf to recognise red flags. Tori was 100% in the wrong here and irl that would be a very big hurdle to get through as friends. He is obviously a willing participant in the kiss and a douchebag but so is she. There were plenty of other avenues tori could have gone down to handle her feelings, including talking to and being honest with cat. So no; grateful would not be one of the emotions Iād be feeling in this situation
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
I definitely agree. That was a shitty thing for Tori to do as a friend.Danny boy wasn't innocent either. Sometimes, though, people are too excited to be in a relationship to catch their partners' red flags. The thought of having a new relationship and an "amazing" partner can blind many people from seeing their red flags. A lot of the time, witnessing them cheating is a good reality check for a lot of people.
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u/ReferenceArtistic854 2d ago
This incident seemed like people turned on Tori for good. Don't get me wrong, it was a shitty thing to do but Danny wasn't innocent himself. He leaned into the kiss himself. Also, it seemed that others can do worse like Robbie can do Robrazzi and Jade can put two "friends" in danger over her not going a role. You lost honey, get over it. Yet, they're forgiven but Tori is not. Come on people. Also, not a Jade fan but I actually like her in this episode including the Those things upset some girls line.
Not to mention Cat stayed with Danny after that. Tori didn't break them up.
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u/peachlessbobcat Jade West š¤āļø 2d ago
finding out he would cheat by catching your CLOSE FRIEND kissing him just doubles the pain, though. yes, eventually she wouldāve found out danny was a no good cheater but it would have hurt way less if she didnāt trust BOTH PEOPLE involved in the cheating. if i was cat i wouldāve dropped tori from my life forever because a friend who is willing to hurt you like this was never a friend in the first place.
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u/Organic_Following_74 2d ago
Okay but if that happened to Tori she wouldāve reacted the same way that Cat did, maybe even worse
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u/austonzmustache Jade West š¤āļø 2d ago
Cat was wayyy too sweet for staying friends with tori imo
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u/RaisinDangerous3994 2d ago
In my opinion, I agree that it was wrong for Tori and Danny to kiss when Danny was dating Cat. Ā Ā Especially in front of Cat. Ā However, I donāt think that we should just blame Tori for the kiss. Ā Both Tori and Danny leaned in for the kiss, so both of them are at fault, not just Tori. Ā Also, Tori did apologize and even gave Cat permission to punch her afterwards.
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u/herelamonreddit 3d ago
To Toriās credit, she vindicated Cat and gave her permission to deck her in the schnoz
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u/Fluffy_Mood5781 2d ago
I feel like youād enjoy the show ādonāt trust the b in apartment 23ā. Literally first episode.
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u/_robertb_ 2d ago
I remember he played Mileyās boyfriend too right?
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u/Antique-Ad3178 2d ago
Do you mean Jesse/Drew Roy also played Griffin (Carlyās ex-boyfriend in iCarly)?
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u/_robertb_ 2d ago
Oh different actor!
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
He played Wayne Wayne on Big Time Rushš
'"Yo, yo, I'm wayne-wayne, from the mean streets of Detroit. I'm bad-bad as my bling-bling and it's rapping grooves I exploit"
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u/Inevitable-Talk-1852 2d ago
What irks me about this storyline was that there was no reason why Tori did this. The boyfriend character never even showed up in the show again. So itās not like she kissed him because she was still in love with him and wanted to rekindle the relationship. She just did it because they had history. Tori gets a lot of unnecessary hate but I canāt defend her with this oneā¦
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u/hippiecompost 2d ago
I would have ended my relationship and friendship right then and there. Neither of them are worth it
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u/SpecialistOne8206 2d ago
This was absolutely Toriās worst moment and even as her biggest fan she was dead wrong here. But the reason this didnāt make me hate Tori was because of how genuinely remorseful and regretful she was and because Cat punched her in the face (which seemed like it HURT lmao) which she fully deserved.
Also she was openly acknowledging this as the worst thing sheās ever done when interviewed for the wood and I respect her for still being admitting of her mistakes after the fact
Lastly, this is not comparable to the situation in the pilot because Jade was a bitch to Tori on her first day and did nothing to earn any sort of respect or loyalty (doesnāt make what Tori did āgoodā but nuance please!). This episode was a worse situation because her and Cat actually were friends at this point, so seeing how awful Tori felt and having a reconciliation scene with Cat was more necessary
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u/Cyber_momo 2d ago
Tori reminds me a lot of Carrie from Sex and the City. They're both equally dim sometimes
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u/Potential_Asparagus4 2d ago
Me and my bf just talked about this lol. Like rude for helping him cheat, but helpful cause now I know he would, I would still be mad at a friend tho.
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u/qsmdavies 1d ago
Yeah Cat definitely should've ended things there, maybe even as soon as she found out the bro went out with Tori first
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u/just_jess_123 2d ago
I mean to be fair Ik tori shouldnāt have kissed him but he kissed her back (sounds like a shitty bf if u asked me). Also cat also dated this guy even tho she knew he was toris ex and didnāt do anything abt it when she found out tori wasnāt ok with it so really everyone was in the wrongā¦
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u/Antique-Ad3178 2d ago
Tori was the one who was wrong because, she told cat āIām totally cool with you guys datingā plus Tori acted like she didnāt like him anymore in the first episode + Cat didnāt know that Danny was Toriās ex-boyfriend and Danny didnāt know that Cat knew Tori.
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u/WordWarm8755 2d ago edited 2d ago
cat wasnāt in the wrong especially considering the fact that tori said she was okay with them dating, cat should be able to trust tori without having to worry about tori kissing her boyfriend
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u/fxckyourfries 2d ago
Thank you for being the only person who acknowledged that after Cat knew Tori and him were exes she still chose to stay with him. Arent exes supposed to be off limits too? š¤ i think everyone was wrong in this situation and its just a very high school moment. Nobody is a bad person bc of it..
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u/Antique-Ad3178 2d ago
No, Cat didnāt know that Danny was Toriās ex-boyfriend and Tori told Cat that āIām totally cool with you guys dating.ā But exes donāt matter because they arenāt with them anymore.
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u/Soft-Split1315 2d ago
What bothers me most about the storyline is how that hot cheese had the potential to cause Danny and Cat to have severe burns but the whole thing is brushed off like itās nothing
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u/lavender_cat_24 2d ago
i wouldnāt necessarily be āthankfulā towards my friend for kissing my boyfriendā¦
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
I meant grateful in the sense that I get to witness it with my own eyes. That way, I know what kind of people they are. It'll help me know that neither of them are worth my time.
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u/theonlytatortot 2d ago
Let us not forget this was not the first time Tori kissed someone else's bf. Shitty thing to do
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u/baconcore32 2d ago
Acting exercise. Doesnt count.
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u/theonlytatortot 2d ago
She knew what she was doing though, whether they were acting or not, there were other lines she could have used. She only did it to piss Jade off, not because it was crucial to their scene
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u/Willing_Place_8409 5h ago
Jade poured hot coffee all over her on her first day..and beck could have used his āLā for āletās notā and instead said something different and chose to kiss her. If Jades shitty qualities and moments during the show can be overlooked and even praised sometimes, I think Tori kissing beck as revenge during an acting course can be too lol
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u/baconcore32 2d ago
I barely remember the episode. Still only acting. If she got to piss off jade then it was probably an added bonus during the time.
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u/isolist Jade West š¤āļø 2d ago
dawg what are you even sayingš insane take
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
Would i like the fact that my friend and bf kissed? Absolutely not, but it'll definitely make me realize that I have to let them both go.
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
I'd be grateful that I witnessed firsthand what kind of people they both are. Meaning that neither of them are worth my time. So, I'd instantly drop them both. That's what I'm trying to say.
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u/isolist Jade West š¤āļø 2d ago
oh okay i thought u were defending tori in some weird way
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
Oh, hell no! She was definitely wrong for doing it. Danny boy, too.
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u/Deep-Kaleidoscope852 2d ago
And it isn't her first time kissing her friends boyfriend
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u/Which_Possession1135 2d ago
Jade wasn't her friend in that pilot episode and it was an acting exercise, Beck could have said no.
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u/BetterFly4594 Beck Oliver š¬š 2d ago
A lot of people don't like to blame the bfš
In both of these scenarios. With Beck and Danny boy.
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u/yogurtcup528 2d ago
I feel like this episode is why so many donāt like Tori