r/warhammerfantasyrpg • u/Carolus_Wrex Solland Stands • 7d ago
Meta Zw*ihänder and other systems
Can we have a discussion about Zw*ihänder and other systems on this subreddit? We both have r/WarhammerOldWorldRPG and r/.gr*mandperilous/ that cater to these game systems, and can do a much better job at giving those who seek information about those games than here. I understand that back in the day, it was useful to have a catch-all term for these sorts of games that exists in the world, But whenever somehting is posted on about atleast one of these systems, there are always an overwhelming ammount of negative reactions. Including Old world RPG aswell adds more things to juggle when it comes discussing systems, ideas and such.
A vote might be in order?
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u/Dapper_Calculator 5d ago
I'm thinking about it in a "What do I, personally, want from this sub-reddit?" and "What do I, personally, stand to gain from additional discussions of other systems?"
Emphasis on the "personally" because this is not the one great solution that should be applied to all people, the classic "Players don't want..." or "You should..."
I've already chosen my grimy RPG as WFRP 4th ed. I've already bought it, and I'm not at all unhappy with it, so I'm not in the market to buy another. Comparisons with other systems are therefore, personally, no use to me.
I come here looking for amusing anecdotes about hilarious things players have done, sneaky GM tricks, and funny pseudo-Germanic names like Hertz van Rental and Warhammer FRP-style terrible, terrible puns.
Now, discussion of other games with a similar setting might offer me content that would meet these needs, but when I'm not having my needs met by content here, I can just hop over to one of the other subreddits and have a look there.
Of course, I'm also here because I love Kim Newman's work, and because The Black Library is an absolute godsend to writers everywhere. Seriously, there are probably Whitbred award winners writing for it under fake names.
No other game offers me those.
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u/Head_Revenue_7595 7d ago
I'd be happy never to hear about Zwei ever again. It was there to fill a niche for some people in the wilderness years but it wasn't really ever anything more than a poundShop WFRP
Now we have the real thing back - and are even better served with two RPGs! - it seems pointless to clutter the place up with it
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u/GeneralRykof 7d ago
Having played a ton of all these systems I really dont get where this idea comes from.
It comes across in a very gatekeeping way. As if there aren't hundreds of rpgs that safely and excitingly exist in similar spaces.
I mean its fine if we ONLY want to limit the sub down to 1e 2e 3e and 4e on this specific place, but to strongly imply things like Zweihander offers nothing unique or fun to the rpg space is pretty false, even looking at 2e and Zwei there were plenty of differences that allowed me to have fun with both and even cross the things I liked about both systems.
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u/Nurgle_Pan_Plagi 7d ago
Can we have a discussion about Zw*ihänder and other systems on this subreddit?
This subreddit is WFRP-specif. Sure that you can mention other systems if they are relevant, but why should we have in-depth discussion about other systems on this subreddit?
We both have r/WarhammerOldWorldRPG and r/.gr*mandperilous/ that cater to these game systems, and can do a much better job at giving those who seek information about those games than here. I understand that back in the day, it was useful to have a catch-all term for these sorts of games that exists in the world, But whenever somehting is posted on about atleast one of these systems, there are always an overwhelming ammount of negative reactions.
Zweihander gets negative reactions because of it's creator. As you mentioned yourself, Grim and Perilous and TOW have their own dedicated subreddits already - and since this is WFRP-dedicated subreddit most people propably won't have extensive knowledge about them.
And besides that, I haven't seen here any negativity about TOW content and discussions about it - quite the opposite - it's frequently recommend for checking out to newcomers who want to get into WFRP but don't like parts of the system.
If you want to have discussion about different systems or get people well versed in different systems to speak their opinions you can post in r/rpg.
Including Old world RPG aswell adds more things to juggle when it comes discussing systems, ideas and such. As I have said above TOW as a system is mentioned here quite often when we are discussing system differences, but TOW-specific rules and it's new releases should be discussed on TOW subreddit - that's the entire point of it.
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u/chiron3636 2e Grognard 6d ago
I will raise my hand and say I don't really see the point of splitting out the Old World RPG
It may not be labelled WFRP on the cover but its roleplaying, set in the Warhammer World. Which is what WFRP is really.
Its not like this subreddit is overwhelmed with traffic and can't handle it.
Ultimately most of the discussion is going to involve GM advice and Lore and can be system agnostic and what isn't can be filtered with the Tag system.
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u/Nurgle_Pan_Plagi 6d ago
I don't think anyone has anything against lore questions of any kind.
The way I see it, seperating it makes sense for rules questions so TOW players can have a place where they know they will find people who know the system, especially since the system will grow quite fast, I reckon. From the few questions that were posted here, they usually go without any answers for days and they will have like two of them after few weeks - I see it more as setting a standard of quick answers and organizing things than a traffic related issue.
But in the end, It doesn't really matter - people who play both systems are probably lurking on both subreddits anyways and since it's already made and established so I doubt that's going to change, even if it would be for the better.
As for the tag system, hard agree. We could also use tags for WFRP editions.
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u/Carolus_Wrex Solland Stands 7d ago
>This subreddit is WFRP-specific
Check rule 1 in the sidebar
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u/Nurgle_Pan_Plagi 7d ago
Yes, they are welcome here in general, but that doesn't change the fact that the subreddit is WFRP-specific (not WFRP-exclusive) so people won't know much about different systems.
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u/ArabesKAPE 6d ago
Why are you asterixing out some letters, what's that about?
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u/AreYouOKAni 3d ago
The creator googles his game and often drops by into threads where he sometimes behaves like a prick. A lot of subreddits prevent you from posting about the game or the creator due to being sick of the drama he brings.
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u/sigmumar Glorious Portents 2d ago edited 2d ago
Valid question, but I think The Old World Roleplaying Game, Zweihander as well as other games _clearly_ meant to at least accommodate play in the Warhammer Fantasy World (Small But Vicious Dog for instance) should have a place here. The four editions of WFRP are already very different, and a lot of material and inspiration for one of these is going to be valuable for someone running another - so unless you also want to split the four editions into their own subreddits, it doesn't seem like a couple more rule-sets for the same world should be that much of a problem.
I think it's great that this place has room for crossover discussions and ideas - even if the discussions are mainly about WFRP. And even if I personally like some (WFRP1, WFRP2, TOW, SBVD, and others) and dislike others (WFRP3, WFRP4, ZH, and others) that doesn't really matter that much for a good discussion. I'm fine with other people liking other things.
As for negativity... I'm fairly new here, but I haven't seen too much of that?
Only point I can see the other way here is maybe Zweihander, as while it's clearly meant for Warhammer, it also very much supports other settings.
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u/Zekiel2000 Ill met by Morrslieb 6d ago
I think it’s a valid question, although I don’t personally have any particular opinion on whether ZH should be fair game or not. I’ve never played or even read it.
I do find it a bit depressing that this post - which isn’t expressing support for ZH - looks like it’s been downvoted a lot. Can’t we just have a respectful discussion about this?
I love this subreddit. It’s full of lovely people supporting and encouraging one another in Warhammer roleplaying which we all love. But I do notice that whenever the topic of ZH comes up on this wonderful subreddit, it seems to bring with it a lot of negativity (and a lot of downvoting). Perhaps that does suggest that a lot of people would be happy not to have it discussed here.