r/warsaw • u/NatureLongjumping977 • 7d ago
News This happened in a mall in Toronto over 10 years ago and now the same is happening in Warsaw in Złote tarasy!
Can you imagine that a shopping mall banned those day gamers a.k.a pick up artists in mall years ago and the same is happening now in złote tarasy and in Warsaw? but we need to be smarter, the ban should not be limited only to the mall but extended to different areas as the invasion of these passport bros continues, they are nomadic they move from an area to another, harass women daily, create public nuisance, approach 100s of women a day, when more awareness is created, they simply move to another country or to another city. That's insane!
As stated in the article: "This sounds more like sexual harassment than soul mate searching to me. The Ontario Human Rights Code defines harassment as, “engaging in a course of vexatious comment or conduct that is known or ought reasonably to be known to be unwelcome.” The Ontario Human Rights Association says it becomes sexual harassment when, among other things, “asking for dates and not taking ‘no’ for an answer,” “making unnecessary physical contact, including unwanted touching,” and “making comments about a person’s physical appearance (for example, whether or not they are attractive).”
source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-swarm-of-pick-up-artists-tried-to-invade-torontos-eaton-centre/
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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago
It would be terrible if a couple of them "succeeded" at picking someone up, but ended up without a kidney...
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u/Lower-Classroom-4353 7d ago
I’ve been seeing a wave of posts about this issue at Złote Tarasy in Warsaw, and it’s really concerning to hear it’s happening again. I don’t know exactly when this started in Warsaw, but it’s clear from your post and others that it’s becoming a noticeable problem. Unfortunately, this isn’t a new phenomenon... it’s part of a broader pattern tied to the “pick-up artist” (PUA) subculture that’s been around for decades, popularized by figures like Erik von Markovik, aka Mystery, who wrote The Mystery Method and starred in VH1’s The Pickup Artist. His 2007 book, along with Neil Strauss’s 2005 book The Game, laid the groundwork for what’s now a global “seduction community.”
The PUA movement traces back to the late 1980s with Ross Jeffries, who developed “speed seduction” techniques using neuro-linguistic programming. By the early 2000s, it exploded with bootcamps, forums, and seminars teaching men manipulative tactics to approach women, often in public spaces like malls, streets, or clubs. Mystery’s methods, like “negging” (backhanded compliments to lower a woman’s self-esteem) and approaching hundreds of women in “sets,” turned social interactions into a numbers game, often disregarding consent or comfort. This is exactly what you’re describing.
But it's been happening in other places. for example, in 2014, Julien Blanc was banned from the UK for promoting sexually abusive tactics, and Roosh V faced bans in Australia and Canada for similar reasons. Yet, the community keeps evolving, moving to new cities or online platforms like dating apps, and rebranding as “dating coaches” to dodge backlash.
In Warsaw, I suspect this could escalate unless more awareness is raised, like you’re doing here. Złote Tarasy banning them is a start, but as you suggested, a broader approach is needed, maybe city wide ordinances or public campaigns to call out this behavior. The problem is that these groups thrive on anonymity and mobility, so they might just move to another Polish city or country if pressure mounts. Long-term, the PUA culture’s influence might wane as more people recognize it as harassment, but without stronger social and legal pushback, they’ll keep exploiting public spaces.
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u/icemelter4K 7d ago
How are pick-up artists a right wing psyop supported by Russia to demoralize central Europe?
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u/Ice666White 6d ago
The pickup artist communities in Russia are actually way bigger than in the rest of the world. I have literally seen tens of thousands of them in a single group on Telegram.
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u/knister7 7d ago
Can we just not get a post about this every 2 hours?
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u/zxblood123 6d ago
At this point i swear it’s an Ai bot making these posts
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u/SnooHesitations750 5d ago
It does feel really targeted on this sub. Its never a post about being harrased by a random stranger. Its always people who are somehow clearly aware of the term "day gamer" and "passport bro". Those arent very widely common terms for a common person to know unless they are chronically online.
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 6d ago
You are the AI bot. People are just pissed by those daygamers and passport bros coming to Poland
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u/StubbornSob 7d ago
Did they actually ban it in Złote Tarasy? Or just the pick up daygame stuff is happening?
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u/FortniteFranceFr 5d ago
How could you "ban" them ? Like they can be recognized, they alll look the same ? Or just ban someone everytime the security sees him talking to a girl ? That's nonsense and umpracticable.
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 7d ago
The should ban Day gamers in the whole city and we should report all those Youtubers promoting coming to Poland only for the reason to meet women!
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u/DistributionOk6226 7d ago
Stop spamming. How do I stop seeing these shitty posts?
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u/Ice666White 7d ago edited 7d ago
Eaton Centre. Made a video about this a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhLcfGAmxs
TLDR: Day gaming at malls is weird. Parties during the day make more sense. It's just that the vast majority of people who do day game, for some reason, keep doing the strange stuff and going to high traffic locations.
It's something I have been speaking against for years, highlighting that there has to be a better way... Such as actually having friends and networking.
I'll be fascinated to see some replies suggesting more appropriate locations. Las Vegas and Miami have day clubs, for example. Clubs at least block out some weirdos by having loud music.
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u/Myr_Erso 6d ago
How convenient! You just forgot to mention that you're a part of this community of creeps.
People, check this guy's profile before you upvote him for pretending to be a decent person.
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u/bidet_sprays 6d ago
Describing interactions with humans as "gaming" is pathetic, and everybody who meets you hates you.
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u/Ice666White 6d ago
Game actually refers to you being the protagonist of your own life and taking control of your life. But there are a lot of pickup terms out there that are real nasty. Such as...
- Last minute resistance (I roll my eyes every time)
- Target (This was actually inspired by the movie Top Gun, but it was a very bad idea)
- Isolation (Real creepy term)
All of these, and more, have in the last few years been officially removed from the pickup community and placed in a list called Toxic Terminology, discouraging people from using them.
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 6d ago
How to create more awareness about the situation and alert authorities?
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u/Annual-Algae-1097 6d ago
If you want my advice, let it run its course. If this keeps happening eventually girls will get annoyed, resistant, and wont stop for these guys. When many girls just blow the guys off imediately, they will stop coming to Warsaw, and the word will go around online that Warsaw is burnt out and girls don't respond well anymore. Getting authorities involved is very difficult because legally "banning appraoching" intersects many basic human rights of free speech, expression, engagement, interaction, etc... its very tedious to manage
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u/Antitdeveloper 6d ago
please police is see a man talking to a girl asking her number, she is going with him to somewhere please cop come here 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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u/coek-almavet 6d ago
haven’t been to this area in ages (i only visit warsaw ever 2-4 months as i moved abroad and golden terraces is the absolute last place i want to visit) and this subreddit being suggested to me by reddit opened my eyes to this problem. insane actually the shit you describe happening there, someone should kick those losers out fr
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u/Interesting-Role-622 6d ago
Can we start a citizen patrol against those passport bros and intervene when ever they approach or film a poor girl in Warsaw? We should also film them and report them to the Police
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u/theworldisyourskitty 5d ago
All the army guys and brown guys trying to get Polish girls. It’s talked about on telegram like crazy
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u/Simple_Art_5707 6d ago
What’s with the all the fake multiple posts about this
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u/4chieve 6d ago
Marketing for those idiots or... Or hear me out, creating internal social conflict.
Putting new generations even more off from dating and socialising, which leads to isolation and increases the number of radicalised and unstable people. Those are prime candidates for manipulation via highly targeted social media posts.
The whole toxic masculinity was just the priming for, what feels to me, just another one of the many pronged attacks on democratic societies; here specifically our social/partnership norms.
I wonder which bald prick would profit from it...
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u/14xchris 7d ago
Warsaw needs citizen patrols
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u/thecraftybear 7d ago
Like Szon Patrols, or those in border towns?
No, Warsaw needs to break out of its bystander syndrome and start reporting creeps hanging around public places.
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u/Four_beastlings 7d ago
I was telling this to my husband who isn't on Reddit and his comment was that so done should bring this to the far righters attention, because they wouldn't like foreign men harassing Polish women. In my country far righters are all bark and no bite when it comes to do something useful though, but he's probably more familiar with his country's far righters.
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u/39fish 7d ago
No, our far righters are also completely useless, the most they would do is write a bunch of angry posts on Twitter. Same shit with the spiel about "protecting the borders" - meanwhile kibole are regularly being busted by law enforcement for helping illegal migrants from Belarus cross into Germany.
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u/AdSea5115 6d ago
Yeah, and the borders are competely empty now, as there's something new to be outraged about it destroying Poland (is it the health education this week?)
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u/Prestigious-Dress-92 6d ago
Passport bros are mostly white westerners. Right wingers would only care if they were blacks, muslims, gypsies or ukrainians.
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u/bonecrusher1 6d ago
holy fuck it didint even cross my mind they could be a different color than white.
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u/JWMalynovskyi 6d ago
I'm ready to be a security translator for these motherfuckers if they pretend they're not understanding polish
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u/zdzblo_ 5d ago edited 5d ago
A Russian-orchestrated psyop? There's a surge of similar PUA/passport bro harassment videos on YT about Lithuania. What a coincidence...
Since quite some years there is a remarkable convergence between redpillers, incels, crypto and passport bros and the extreme right and/or "contrarians" and with it: Russian interests.
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u/Degenerate_West 6d ago
So guys can’t approach women in public, at all?
Even in a polite friendly and respectful manner?
What’s the criteria? How is it enforced?
If I’m lost or having a medical episode I must find a man for help?
Whilst I think these “day gamers/PUA are total fcukwits we might as well be suggesting women wear burkas or having apartheid style segregation and that seems a bit backwards.
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u/NatureLongjumping977 6d ago
Those guys are traveling to Poland just to approach massively women in the street
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u/Degenerate_West 6d ago
Yes I understand, these blokes are chumps from what I’ve seen.
That said I don’t think men shouldn’t be able to approach women, providing it’s polite and respectful of boundaries. E.g a no I don’t want to give you my number is a clear indication that she’s not interested and that should be respected.
That said, what’s the threshold of politeness to harassment and how is it policed?
Suggesting men can’t approach women at all without a brush with the law seems a bit too far (not saying that you suggested it but I’m playing devils advocate ).
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u/NatureLongjumping977 6d ago
Just don't approach Polish women in the streets! They get approached 10 times a day now but random foreign guys
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u/Degenerate_West 6d ago
So you’re suggesting Men should be banned from approaching any women in Poland/Polish women anywhere in the world??
Is that right?
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u/Titty_Slicer_5000 6d ago
Why shouldn't you approach women in the street during the daytime and in a public location? Yes women have to deal with rejecting men they are not interested in that approach them, and men have to deal with approaching women and getting rejected by the ones they are not interested in. This is how dating. Both have pros and cons. There is nothing inherently wrong with approaching women you are interested in so long as you do it respectfully and leave her alone if she tells you she's not interested. Obviously some location specific exceptions exist as well such as dark streets at night or empty parking lots.
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u/Degenerate_West 5d ago
What Polish rule is being broken?
It’s best to deal with facts rather than feelings.
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u/Titty_Slicer_5000 5d ago
"Because it's rude". Why is it inherently rude? I don't think it's rude at all, again so long as you do it respectfully and do not persist after she tells you she's not interested. You seem to be focusing strictly on foreigners. Would you consider it rude for a Pole to do it?
Chłopie. Jestem Polakiem, więc nie pouczaj mnie o naszej kulturze.
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u/Annual-Algae-1097 7d ago
talking to someone, or even giving a compliment is not sexual harrassment. Its one thing to be annoyed at being appraoached, and it is illegal and a violation of privacy to be filmed, yes. But accusing and rebranding human interaction as harrassement, even if it inconveniences you at this moment, is not cool.
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u/hearechoes 7d ago
Really depends on the situation and whether it progresses beyond the initial rejection. The kind of interaction displayed in the videos is definitely harassment. Stopping someone who is clearly trying to do their job or get somewhere or talk to someone on their phone and ignore the signs of disinterest is not cool.
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u/Annual-Algae-1097 7d ago
I didnt watch the video. Yes those nuances can tell you which is which, but the overall tone I got from the post is "approaching on the street is harrassment"... if that was not the intended message then thats my mistake
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u/hearechoes 7d ago
I think approaching on the street still can be harassment, yes. Like if someone looks like they are deliberately going somewhere, not making eye contact or giving expressions, or have their headphones on then you probably shouldn’t bother them. And if you’re doing that to like…I dunno…more than a few women a day? That’s clearly not like some rare connection you couldn’t let slip. Some of these guys are just out there approaching dozens or hundreds of women a day and if that was common then women would have to face a minefield of annoyances every time they had to leave the house.
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u/Annual-Algae-1097 7d ago
yea but i mean you are describing the annoyance of pickup artists spamming the city. But the quesiton is, whether appraoching in principle is harrassment. I say no, and its important not to let the reaction to this issue spread that narrative. You saying it can be harrassment is not the same thing as it is. For example, imagine a lot of people were cold calling you, so now someone said "it should be illegal to call anyone you dont know on the phone". Obiously its problematic, but it doesnt become wrong to call someone you dont know on the phone, even if there are annoyign cold callers out there, and yes some of those callers can be harrassing/stepping over the line
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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago
It actually is illegal for a company to keep calling you, if you've told a them to remove your number from their database.
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u/Annual-Algae-1097 7d ago
And thats not the point I was making was I? Get yourself some comprehension skills or buy yourself some IQ and read what I actually said.
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u/Scary-Teaching-8536 6d ago
What exactly do you want to ban?
Filming strangers without consent is already illegal. Sexual harrasment is already illegal. Do you want to ban simply approaching women to?
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u/JasonCyber 7d ago
Remember guys, and this includes normal guys and passport bros- if the woman you approach does NOT find you attractive, you are automatically a CREEP to her. 🤦🏿♂️
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u/Life_Management_9716 7d ago
yyeah because if fat ugly men approach you, you start thinking HOW you look that he thought he had a chance with you.
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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago
If you approach someone in public, where they're just out living their life, it doesn't matter what you look like – you're a creep. It's unattractive behaviour.
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u/JasonCyber 7d ago
Then tell me this- HOW and WHERE are women going to meet their future husbands??🤦🏿♂️
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u/Ockwords 7d ago
At work, at parties, social events, through shared hobbies, online?
That wasn’t a serious question was it?
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u/doesnotmatter286 6d ago
There are no excuses. This is not something you need an excuse for. There are just reasons not to try to force it. There are also ways you can approach people without being a creep.
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u/doesnotmatter286 6d ago
You clearly don't know how to talk to women in a non-creepy way. Yes, in your case it's true: just don't talk to women.
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u/doesnotmatter286 6d ago
Yeah, if you have no consideration for the other person, can't read the situation, can't read their expression... I see why you'd think that. If you don't consider women people whose wishes are important, of course you're going to think them not being available to you is an inconvenience, and try to make it their fault that you can't interact with people in a non-creepy way.
What women want is genuine connections. Easier to achieve with other women or gay men, because they don't immediately go into the creepy pick up mode.
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u/doesnotmatter286 6d ago
I can tell you where they're NOT going to meet their future husbands: in the middle of a street, during a "daygaming" event.
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u/JasonCyber 6d ago
So you are telling me that before technology and dating apps, and before women were allowed to work- that NOBODY ever met their future husbands or wives on the street? Nobody ever met their husband on the bus? At the mall? At a public park while sitting on a bench? Are you people listening to the things that come out of your mouth? Do you REALLY think all of our grandparents, great grandparents ALL met at work or at a party? You got to be fkn kidding me.🤦🏿♂️
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u/doesnotmatter286 6d ago
You do realise that marriages used to be set up by families, right? And that women didn't just wander the streets alone, ready to be picked up...?
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u/NatureLongjumping977 7d ago
It's an unattractive behavior to approach a women randomly in the street regardless what you look like
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u/JasonCyber 7d ago
Yea keep lying to yourselves. But if Christiano Ronaldo or Jason Mamoa approaches you on the street, all of a sudden it’s ok to give him your number, it’s ok to even go home with him and have sex with him that same night. All of a sudden those men are ATTRACTIVE but when the average or below average looking Joe does it then it becomes “unattractive” and he’s automatically a “creep.”😒
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 6d ago
Day gramers are creepy by definition! They will look unattractive to women because it's very low value to approach women in the street like a beggar
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u/JasonCyber 6d ago
If what you are saying were true, then HOW is it possible that I’ve hooked up with MANY women that I randomly met on the street, on buses, in the malls, I even picked up girls on an airplane midflight. And before you say it happened because American women are easy- I did this in MANY countries to include Germany, Russia, Spain, Australia and Poland. I was able to get the girls because they found me “attractive.” And the ones that rejected me most likely saw me as a “creep” because they didn’t find me attractive. So let’s stop all the games and be realistic- you all hate being approached by UGLY men. Thats the truth cause NONE of you would complain if you being approached by HOT men.
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u/FluffyPuffOfficial 7d ago
I genuinely feel second hand embarrassment each time I see a pickup artist. If there is a way we can kick them out of the country, then sign me up.