r/warsaw • u/averyrealspapple • 8d ago
Life in Warsaw question Is there a way to get rid of PUA's/passport bros?
Me and some of my friends also faced harrasment from those guys, while we usually just ignored them when they dont take no for an answer or try to get some security when i was followed once. But I know there wont always be security, or friends to make someone back off.
I dont usually mind being approached but i want to be able to say no. Every time i was approached in the past, i could just decide on whether i wanted to give someone my information. Now i'm pressured into it, no matter what i say!
Is there any way we can show them that this isn't an attractive place to be?
Edit: im just gonna go to security/police if they dont back off now.
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u/rivenofthe1kcheeses 7d ago edited 7d ago
Honestly we should just start reporting it to straż miejska and start mass reporting their videos on youtube if those are the recording types. If the videos stop coming because they get in trouble for it, less people thinking this is acceptable will come. And then that is a win for everyone.
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
Im on the bridge about the straż miejska thing because i doubt they would do anything, but the report part could be done if its in large enough numbers.
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u/Mindless_Ad_6045 7d ago
You doubt they would do anything? You're ensuring they won't do anything by not reporting it. I don't get that mindset, that way there is at least a slight chance that someone will do something if you don't report it then how the fuck is anyone supposed to do anything?
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
To be fair you do have a good point, at least they usually ask out girls where you can find security/police/SM.
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u/Il-Kattiv 7d ago
It won't be a win. What is straż miejska going to do? Treat every single person approaching another in the street as a potential predator?
The way forward is to empower people. They keep pushing? Push back. Balance the interaction.
I personally feel there's nothing wrong with teaching guys to approach women (or vice versa) on the street. What's the alternative? Mindless swiping on apps? But they should learn to respect boundaries.
There are good "self confidence in dating" coaches and bad ones. These guys happen to be paying the bad ones.
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u/IcommitedWarCrimes 7d ago
I mean the alternative is just meeting partners via social events.
From my experience, this is the best way to find partner. You go out, meet some people, have fun, get new friends, and overtime it just clicks for you and the other person. It happened to me, it happened to my friends, and I know it happened to my mother and father.
Parties,social events,hangouts,clases,school and university trips,trips with friends,clubs,bars are all great to meet new people.
And the best thing is, it happens in a organic way and the person most probably shares hobbies,intrests or at least "vibe".
Going to street to approach women (or men) also feels really desparate, and is just un appealing.
Just go out with your friends, meet new people, live your life and be happy, don't focus on a relationship over anything else.
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u/Kazimir117 4d ago
As someone who doesn’t have many friends and has still tried events, I haven’t had any luck with these. Granted maybe things are different in Warsaw. I just don’t want men who approach women respectfully to be ostracised and treated badly for it - but I think we must draw the line at people (especially foreigners) who are clearly harassing women who do not want to speak to them. Some of the videos I’ve seen of passport bros are very clearly overboard and it should just be common sense that this behaviour isn’t accepted
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u/Damianque 7d ago
That's precisely the problem with red pill, pua and many similar environments. They tackle real problems with some legitimate solutions and 10 times more bs, idiocy, wishful thinking, disrespect and harassment. I agree with your solution, at least in theory.
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u/Ice666White 7d ago edited 7d ago
There's a circle jerk mentality with infield videos... Coaches are encouraged to do it in order to qualify themselves and prove to others that they 'get results', and viewers weaponize it against coaches who don't do it by screaming 'where are your receipts, bro?' all the time. It has become a very toxic mindset and circle jerk, and this kind of thing was never as bad as it is today.
It's almost treated like it's evidence that a 'coach' gets laid, but that's not even remotely true. Infield has been faked before, and coaches can cherry pick good ones, sell it, etc.
I encourage people actively to report unethical dating coaches via GameGlobal.net/report and it's a great idea to start a chain of comments of other things people can do to discourage this behavior.
Edit: Anyone downvoting this is literally DUMB. Why would you try to prevent people from reporting creeps? You're literally just hurting yourselves. I have sent evidence to police in multiple countries over the years, and every single time the outcomes were best when I had enough evidence gathered. If you think you can just have the police solve this for you without any evidence gathering, you're literally wasting years of progress and letting these greasy bastards get away with it. Use your brain. It's not even complicated.
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u/39fish 7d ago
Lmao, you're going absolutely above and beyond to promote that shitty little website of yours in every single thread last few days. I almost respect the hustle, honestly.
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u/Ice666White 7d ago edited 7d ago
How dare I use the opportunity to show people how to report scammers and harassers in order to get them faster consequences. Throw me to the lions.
Edit: Didn't realize there were so many pickup artists downvoting this comment.
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u/fuzekle 7d ago
What exactly are you on with that? How on earth would someone figure out the (online) name of a 'coach' that one particular 'pickup student' on the ground follows? And even assuming they got their name and gave it to you - it's not like you're gonna do much anyway. It's perfectly reasonable to assume you're just funneling traffic to your sales page since you 'work' in the exact same field lmao
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u/Ice666White 7d ago
You're just writing bullshit. We have literally made police forces investigate certain people, leading to arrests. Yet here you are criticizing me for doing so.
Are you even using your brain here or what?
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah, because they are doing something illegal? I didn't want to be followed or recorded, and this isn't just happening to me. But if I need the police, its better to go directly to them
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u/Ice666White 7d ago
And then the police will ask you for evidence, and will do nothing about it. Then you'll just come back to Reddit and complain about it, and people will leave comments, and still nothing will be achieved.
You think this is my first time seeing this?
You need to think smarter and be more organized.
I have been giving you guys the answers the entire time. You need to gather evidence. If you think you can do this all on your own and argue against the person who has gathered the most evidence on this matter, you're missing the point completely.
Yet y'all will still downvote me, forcing others to miss this information. You're only making it worse for yourselves and everyone else out there. You're literally letting creeps get away with it, because you yourself are not doing a damn thing about it but will criticize the people who are.
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
Concidering where they do it, there will be plenty of evidence. They quite literally do it in the most observed part of Warsaw. Not to mention that when publishing a video they need to provide proof of consent. Not me.
You have as much or even less evidence than i would have access to.
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u/Ice666White 7d ago edited 7d ago
That's where you're wrong. I run the pickup community, so I get reports from the INSIDE itself. I then realized that I was in the perfect position to do something about the bad eggs.
There's no amount of downvoting, death threats of bullying you guys can harass me with to change my mind. Having a competent person in such a position who has a wife and daughter is the best kind of person to take this seriously and do something about it.
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u/WhirlwindTobias 6d ago
People are downvoting you because it's guilty by association. You're "one of them" even if you're trying to get rid of bad actors.
I'm not in the PUA community, but I've read the typical PUA literature and thankfully I don't have to deal with things like shit-testing or dread game here in PL. Confidence and integrity wins.
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u/Cunnilingusobsessed 7d ago
Say something insulting to them. These people would never approach women like this in their home country. They feel emboldened because they are abroad and think their passport makes them entitled. They are naturally scared to approach. Be strong, say no. Talk some shit, pull out your phone and take a pic of them and threaten to post it on Reddit. they will cower and leave you alone.
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u/wOczku 7d ago
Passport makes them entitled in Poland ? Most of them are Indian desperate that are into some other guys lies that in warsaw women are more open for foreigners. Passport bros goes only with guys that can clearly offer a passport/better future(US/AU/NO). Are you trying to tell me that Indian passport is a thing for poles ? xD
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u/Cunnilingusobsessed 7d ago
I was thinking more the Americans and Brits. But being away from home does make people act different, so maybe that’s why. “Vacation mentality”
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u/Kazimir117 4d ago
This isn’t a bad idea but I worry how guys like this may react to a woman being rude to them, maybe it’s only good to insult them if they’re in groups or have a male friend with them.
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u/TomSki2 7d ago
If you feel directly threatened/your personal space is encroached upon, pepper spray might be justified?
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u/FortniteFranceFr 7d ago
If a guy just comes to say hello and try to get to know you without being insistant - even if he's not Polish, even if it's not the first time he's approaching a woman in Poland - maybe direct pepper spray is a bit far fetched ?
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u/TomSki2 7d ago
I was quite specific what situations may -possibly- justify it: encroaching upon private space (blocking her from leaving, grabbing, touching, cornering), I think these guys are not above crossing such boundaries.
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u/FortniteFranceFr 7d ago
Yes but I doubt most of them are doing this and are physically threatining.
That doesn't mean their behavior is good if they approach 50 women a day, but I'm not sure you can do anything if they just say "hi, I'd like to get to know you" to women without being insistant.
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u/PasDeTout 7d ago
It’s ignoring the fact that this is not done in Polish culture. Respect the culture of the country you’re in.
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u/get-gone 7d ago
I used to have issues with PUA when I lived in the States. What I would do is never stop for them. Keep walking. Identify who they are and call them out. A simple, "Oh a PUA, are you? You can't get a woman in your country so you come to my country and harass women?" Make sure you say it loudly so other women know. But never stop moving forward. Once they stop you, they will try so much to keep you there. They have very low self-esteem. They don't know how to deal with strong knowledgeable women.
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
I dont think they know with strong and knowledgeable anything.
But honestly short of informing the police this is probably the best option.
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u/Lanzarote-Singer 7d ago
Ask for money. Take the money. Then say: Kurwa mać, ty chuju! Odpierdol się, bo ci przyjebie!
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u/Lumidark 7d ago
Tell them to get out of our country, no one wants them here harassing women. Use choice language if you have to or call the police and report them for harassment.
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u/Il-Kattiv 8d ago edited 8d ago
They have low self esteem. Up to you how you want to play it. That's where you have to hit them though.
Edit - Try replying with something on the lines of "Ha! You won't get pussy, even if you paid" or "What's wrong with your face?" or "Your breath stinks". Get creative and have a reply or two ready in case they answer.
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u/Bubbly-Criticism3445 8d ago edited 8d ago
Low self-esteem…and they’ve been conned by others (who take their $) that PUA is a real thing. It is far too much work, and much more than they deserve, but they would/could benefit from a typed up explanation of the futility and wrong-headedness of their approach and of their overall operating philosophy. Stating that they are operating on/believing in a line of ridiculous bs and that women don’t want to be approached like that, that it basically will never work, that they need to instead work on making themselves interesting and likable, and then they can put themselves in situations (groups, interest or activity clubs, events, whatever) where they can organically meet people who are interested in them. And that it will still take time, because that’s life. Or you could just find some football supporters to show them the light.
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u/Il-Kattiv 8d ago
There's nothing wrong with PUA. The problem is with certain branches of it. The idea of PUA is to instil confidence in men (and women, there's PUA for women) who lack confidence and that benefits both sides of an interaction.
But some people take it to extremes and violate other people's boudnaries, lie and trick others - and that's a no go.
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u/Numerous_Team_2998 8d ago
I think it's terrible advice that can get someone killed.
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u/iwouldntlastonthelam 7d ago
Actually shaming is considered one of the most effective ways of deterring harassers. They’re not going to attack anyone in a crowded public space while someone else is filming.
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u/Overit2137 7d ago
Buy pepper spray, preferably in gel. If your "no, leave me alone" is not enough you grab pepper spray. If the PUA decides to leave, good for him. If he wants to call your bluff spray him. Honestly, I don't know why women don't do that. If the information that Warsaw is not a good place for PUAs because you might get pepper sprayed gets around they'll leave this place. And what they're going to do, call the police? And say what (considering police speaks English, lol): "I was harassing this girl and she pepper sprayed me because I didn't respect her refusal"? No one's going to believe them and even if they stop you just tell the truth. But why would you hang around the place where some harrasing creep cries his eyes out laying on a ground?
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u/Assamitia 7d ago
Let's start to take pictures of them and their ID to report them as harassment. It's their problem to prove that it's not harassment.
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u/digitalnomadic Śródmieście 8d ago
Punch them in the face or yell at them publicly
Or start filming them and make fun of them saying you’re putting this on TikTok
I myself think it’s fine that they exist, but if someone says no they have got to stop immediately. If they won’t take no for an answer, i think you can shame them but you shouldn’t have to.
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u/Ice666White 7d ago
Inciting violence isn't the answer.
I just got threatened to be chopped up with machetes because I commented on the popular post from 2 days ago about this. All for being the first person to point out that Warsaw was voted the best city in the world for meeting women.
For real, I'm a married man with a daughter. Never been to Poland. But suddenly there's a mob of angry people who want to murder people without even giving 2 seconds to understand who they are actually interacting with.
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u/digitalnomadic Śródmieście 7d ago
I don’t understand why slapping or punching someone who aggressively hits on you and refuses to go away isn’t the answer, especially if they make any physical contact, but we can agree to disagree. What about videoing them back to make them stop?
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u/Ice666White 7d ago
This is where you're twisting certain things all into one.
- Men approaching you is one thing.
- Men approaching you and refusing to go away after you dismiss or reject them is another thing.
- Men approaching you and refusing to go away after you misses or reject them while filming you is another thing.
- Men approaching you, slapping your ass, forcing themselves onto you and then running away is another thing.
These are progressively worse as we keep going. Are you going to start punching men who talk to you just because you dropped something and he picked it up and gave it back to you?
If you film them back, that would be a legendary move. I'll happily publish it for you.
But in all practicality, watch out for microphones and conspicuous people hanging around at a slight distance. That's when you know you're being filmed. The infield they produce is useless if there's no audio, so the person talking to you will have a microphone close to their chest.
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u/NatureLongjumping977 7d ago
I'm sorry to hear that, the purpose of our posts is not to incite violence but just to raise awareness about the situation in Warsaw
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u/Early-Noise-9443 7d ago
just say "ew, fuck off" what is he gonna do, other than think about that interaction before going to bed
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u/Agitated-Actuary-195 7d ago
So this is copy and paste from another OP on this…
The answer is yes,,, call the police and….
DarqPikachu • 1d For those who want to see why articles apply, here's a little info about the law and their applicability made by Al. Article 23 of the Civil Code (Kodeks cywilny) The Law: This article protects a person's "personal interests" (dobra osobiste), which are inherent, non-material rights. It provides a list of examples including a person's image, honor (dignity), and right to privacy. Applicability: Filming someone without permission, especially in a potentially humiliating context, directly implicates their legally protected right to their own image and dignity. Article 24 of the Civil Code (Kodeks cywilny) The Law: This article grants a person whose personal interests are violated the right to take legal action. They can demand that the infringing action stops, its effects be undone (e.g., through a public apology), and seek financial compensation for the harm caused. Applicability: It empowers the person who was recorded to sue the creator, forcing them to remove the video and potentially pay damages for violating her privacy and dignity. Article 190a §1 of the Penal Code (Kodeks karny) The Law: This article defines the crime of stalking, making it illegal to persistently harass a person in a way that creates a justified sense of threat or significantly violates their privacy. Applicability: If the act of approaching and filming is persistent or makes the target feel threatened or severely intruded upon, the filmer's actions could cross the line from a civil infraction to a criminal offense.
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u/Szary_Tygrys 7d ago edited 7d ago
That's legally wrong.
- For a variety of reasons there is no Polish law prohibiting you from filming a person in a public place, even without their consent. What is illegal is publishing such material - that is where articles 23 and 24 of the Civil Code apply.
- As you point out, Polish criminal law defines stalking as persistent harassment that causes distress. However, this cannot be extended to non-persistent acts. Extending definitions of criminal infractions beyond as they're accurately defined by law, to the disadvantage of the accused, is strictly prohibited and it's a fundamental rule of Polish criminal law.
Im not saying that to defend these idiot pickup artists. What they do is wrong. But a more fitting and realistic legal grounds for a Police intervention would be art. 51 of the Petty Offences Code (Kodeks Wykroczeń): "§ 1. Who disturbs peace, public order, night rest with a shouting, noise, alarm or other misbehavior**, or causes a scandal in a public place** is punishable by arrest, restriction of liberty or a fine.
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u/FortniteFranceFr 7d ago
If this law were enforced, dozens of British groups would be arrested in Krakow every day…
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u/Agitated-Actuary-195 7d ago
Super a public defender of stupidity has entered the chat… so let’s lest your (narrow) interpretation - which given my understanding of Poland and enforcement will get exactly no where.,,
The idea that “filming in public is always legal until publication” is a very narrow reading of Polish law and doesn’t actually hold up when you look at how Articles 23 and 24 of the Civil Code are applied.
These provisions protect personal interests such as dignity, privacy and image, and Polish courts have recognised that these rights can be infringed not only by publishing material but also by the act of intrusive or degrading recording itself. If someone deliberately films another person in a humiliating or harassing way, that person can legitimately argue their dignity and right to privacy have been violated even before the footage is shared. The claim that recording in public is automatically exempt is simply not true the protection of personal interests isn’t switched off because you’re standing on a pavement.
Nor is it right to dismiss Article 190a of the Penal Code as irrelevant unless the conduct is “persistent.” The test in the law is whether the behaviour creates a justified sense of threat or seriously violates privacy, and while persistence is one common form, the courts have acknowledged that a single episode can amount to criminal harassment if it is severe enough. Following someone with a camera, singling them out, and trying to provoke reactions for entertainment could very well cross that line, particularly when it leaves the target feeling unsafe or humiliated. To brush this aside as if it never applies until the fiftieth repetition ignores both the wording and spirit of the law.
As for the reference to the Petty Offences Code, that’s really the most superficial layer. Yes, Article 51 can be used for disorderly behaviour in public, but reducing pickup artists’ conduct to a “noise disturbance” trivialises the broader issue. The point is not just that they are causing a scene but that they are infringing protected rights to dignity and privacy, potentially exposing themselves to both civil claims and criminal sanctions. The law in Poland offers multiple avenues for action in such cases, and pretending the only realistic recourse is a petty offence fine is misleading.
These men are not just clownish irritants in the street; they are operating on a legal fault line that leaves them vulnerable to far more serious consequences.
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u/Szary_Tygrys 7d ago
Curb your hysteria. And try taking these arguments to a real-life court. Good luck 🤞
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u/Famous_Landscape5218 7d ago edited 7d ago
Maybe one of those loud emergency buttons that let's off a siren? Maybe just scream get away you are harassing me repeatedly. Tell them polish woman dont want their dusty assess and to gtfo. Then take their photo and call the police if they dont stop.
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u/john_gardener 7d ago
who are the passport bros or day gamers????? im so behind can someone explain in simple and plain words or in polish?
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
Guys who travel to other countries to pick up girls. Usually because girls there are more "traditional" or "submissive" or just easier. It's up to a point where the are coaches that teach how to seduce girls.
The issue is that sometimes those kinds of people pressure you into giving you their information "so we can have a little fun" even when you say no repeatedly. Some coaches also show that this is appropriate behaviour. Not to mention recording girls as "proof" that they get game, usually without consent.
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 7d ago
A passport bro is any foreigner who moved to Poland to find love believing he is coming from a wealthier country and that girls would fall for that
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u/thebmanvancity 5d ago
"Passport Bro" as a term is a feeble attempt at rebranding the long known shady hobby of sex tourism as a new kind of movement among western men. Much like how a pyramid scheme will call itself an MLM, it's same same but different
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u/PeterRuf 7d ago
Just start screaming that a foreigner is harassing you. Polish hospitality is famous.
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u/DigAggravating9762 7d ago
I’ve been seeing more and more posts about these 'guys'; as an Englishman living in Warsaw it’s beyond embarrassing.
I wouldn’t engage them in English to start with, and if that doesn’t work then maybe start making a scene, shout 'Policja'. I’m pretty sure that would work. I’m also unsure about the law in Poland with regards to pepper spray, but surely after a certain point of harassment you should be entitled to use it.
Ultimately though you shouldn’t have to do any of those things, it shouldn’t be happening. I hope that this gets reported to the authorities and they start to do something about it.
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u/Zealousideal_Kiwi542 5d ago
Don’t scream policja - scream pożar (fire) - that will ensure people will come to you, if you scream policja there will be a lot of people actively trying to to look away.
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u/Beautiful-Zombie2549 4d ago
Why? When was walking away not an option?
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u/DigAggravating9762 3d ago
The OP was asking if there’s a way to get them to back off, to detract them from approaching girls in this manner. As we’ve all seen, walking away doesn’t seem to be a deterrent, they are taught to be persistent and not take no for an answer.
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u/Beautiful-Zombie2549 3d ago
I'm sure causing a scene and getting Polish men's attention will settle the matter.
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u/DigAggravating9762 3d ago
I think it actually would, yes.
If these morons start receiving either legal troubles, or a good beating from the locals, then the demand for these kind of services will quickly dry up in countries where people don’t turn a blind eye.
Nobody, man or woman, should have to put up with, at best annoyance, and at worst molestation. As I already pointed out, OP is looking for a way to stop them, walking away clearly does not stop them as their training requires them to be persistent. But please, if you have a better idea of how to solve the problem of men harassing women, enlighten us.
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u/AdSea5115 6d ago
Can we stop with the PUA/passport bro spam on Reddit? There are posts about it every single day, so many it seems like there's a second PUA school that works somewhere different from Złote Tarasy and it's fighting the competition.
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u/averyrealspapple 5d ago
You're implying that there is a pua school smart enough to look for women outside of złote tarasy. "Clearly, the best way to find polish girls to ons with is in a mall and not on a dating app/speeddating events"
But i've seen media actually pick up the story which means people are already aware of it. So hopefully there wont be a need to ask how to deal with it or to raise awareness to it happening.
I do get your pain, because it is annoying. And I hope there wont be a need for people or me to post about it anymore
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u/Dangerous_Swan_9184 7d ago
As long as polish women are going to fall for it - they won’t stop.
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u/ikiice 6d ago
They really don't - but they think they do
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u/Dangerous_Swan_9184 6d ago
Well they wouldn’t come here if they had no success before
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u/ikiice 6d ago
They come here because of this whole "Poland based trade right wing" meme
They assume that must mean polish women are all trad women and the whole tradwife package - same reason they used to go to Japan etc.
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u/DigAggravating9762 3d ago
You don’t think that Passport Bros will be employing local girls? It’s so predictable. Pay some local ladies to act interested in an average looking guy, film the interaction, stick it on their website and watch how many guys think they too will be able to approach a woman and get her number.
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u/Dangerous_Swan_9184 3d ago
Is there any actress that confirmed it?
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u/DigAggravating9762 2d ago
It’s an obvious scam and easily pulled off, you actually think that a company that advertises itself as being able to get you laid wouldn’t employ dirty tactics?
I’ve seen two mentions of girls being paid to pose as everyday woman that will happily give out their (fake) numbers to guys on video to give the illusion that any guy, even he has has a face like a bucket full of smashed crabs, can bed a beautiful woman. One girl was on the Warsaw forum, her friend gets paid to do this.
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u/Consistent-Basis8462 7d ago
By reporting all those Youtubers promoting Poland for sex tourisms (Passport bros), banning daygamers and spreading awareness regarding this phenomenon
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u/SlyScorpion 7d ago
If you cannot find a legal way to get the guy to leave you alone and you know you’re in danger, glass the fucker right in the face. Can’t be a PUA if your face looks like a patchwork of scars.
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u/SotMe666 7d ago
Only thing that works for a dense brain like theirs is humbling them. Always say you don't mess with passport bros and that this shit is not welcome in Poland.
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7d ago
I thought the Tate brothers were locked up in Romania?
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u/NatureLongjumping977 7d ago
I heard that many of his followers live in Warsaw in Złota 44 and in Cosmopolitan building
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u/NatureLongjumping977 7d ago
Look at this guy, he literally recommends to approach women walking alone in Warsaw.... https://www.reddit.com/r/Warsaw_Warszawa/comments/1n6i953/a_daygame_coach_literally_says_approach_women_in/
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u/Folded_Fireplace 7d ago
Maybe it would be possible to make szonpatrol interested in them? Two problems removed at once.
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u/Quirky-Poetry1813 5d ago
like they're not the same sort of scum
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u/-Proterra- 4d ago
Telling our nationalist incels that they're getting competition from foreign incels? It so crazy an idea it might just work xD
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u/noname_lastname0 7d ago
Report to Police and save all the other girls too. Nothing else can bring sense to this rotten heads. If not them, some other jerk might start the same.. once a legal action is taken, it will scare other jerks from even thinking of doing so
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u/Interesting-Role-622 6d ago
Spread the word to other girls to create awareness, informing local media and authorities about this phenomenon
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u/Ungitarista 6d ago
Regain the initiative: Speak Polish to them, not English. Talk loudly. Tell other people - in Polish - what's going on.
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u/Alfa155Q4 6d ago
I think calling them out loudly in a crowded public place would be the best way. Shame them. Thinking their Indian or British passport will get Polish women fall on their knees 😂 Fuck these guys
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u/_LedAstray_ 6d ago
I remember PUA guys used to have standards... I know, because I used to be interested in this stuff.
Now - what some people said, do not stop, do not say a word, the moment you say anything they will treat it as an invitation or some sort of battle of wits that may lead them straight to your place if they win.
I must warn you, some of these guys are really, really creepy. I'm sure you know that already, but me, as a man, former PUA, got to know a guy who is a literal stalker. The clearer you show you are not interested, the better.
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u/Quirky-Poetry1813 5d ago
always report. try to not stop when you're being approached, do not even look at them. if they catch u off guard use pepper spray after one no.
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u/Kazimir117 4d ago
Tell them very plainly that they’re bothering you and you do not want to speak with them. If they don’t back off tell them you’re going to phone the police.
I think if men see a woman being obviously harassed they should come to her aid and tell the man doing the harassing that he’s being a nuisance and must leave, I think these types of men will probably leave a lot sooner if another man starts telling him off.
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u/NihilVacant 7d ago
I'm not sure in what reality you live in, but only 1 - 2% of Polish women marry foreigners. And even if some Polish women would date foreigners, it's not an excuse to harass random women (or even girls) on the streets.
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u/FortniteFranceFr 7d ago
If there's no Passport Bro going to Saudi Arabia, it's because they have 0 chances with local women.
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u/39fish 7d ago
Marriage statistics collected by GUS are unreliable and tell us nothing about informal relationships. Deny it all you want, the evidence is there regardless - PUAs go where they find success.
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u/Mediocre-Yoghurt-138 7d ago
GUS is unreliable but the sexual frustration of some redditors who want to go back to arranged marriages is more reliable?
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u/NihilVacant 7d ago
Because "statistics" from the Instytut Danych w Dupie are more reliable. Even if GUS statistics only include marriages, if the Polish women liked foreigners so much, they would also marry them. In many European countries, mixed marriages are much more popular. Poland doesn't even have that many foreigners compared to Western European countries (and most foreigners here are Ukrainians who look almost the same as Poles).
Men harass women on the streets everywhere. My sister and her friend, who were 13 at that time, were nonstop harassed by grown men in Egypt on the streets. Does this mean that in Egypt, men harass underage girls because they have a better chance with them? Or maybe they acted like that because of their own toxic behavior and culture?
It's a myth that Polish women like foreigners popularized by porn culture. I swear porn destroyed some men's minds, because they think that if they visit Slavic countries, any random woman on the street will have sex with them. Even if some groups of women prefer foreigners, dating or even meeting for a one night stand is different than being harassed on the street. No, women don't like it when some random weirdos follow or catcall them.
There is no evidence that Polish women like foreigners and you didn't provide any evidence here, just your subjective opinion.
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u/Forsaken-Mobile8580 7d ago
This comment has the same energy as look what she was wearing, she was asking for it. Stop victim blaming.
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u/free_as_a_tortoise 7d ago
The ones who were coached well were told to never try to persuade a woman or pursue one who isn't interested, and to make sure when they approach that the woman has an easy exit. So you should be able to just walk past them.
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u/Ungitarista 6d ago
if they were "coached well" they wouldn't travel to another country to objectify women.
Instead, they should have been told that people are equals and should be treated as such.
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u/free_as_a_tortoise 6d ago edited 6d ago
In what way is striking up a conversation with a stranger to see if there's any sort of common vibe "objectifying" or not treating them as an equal?
How do you usually meet potential partners? Do you get assigned them with no prior impression of them?
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u/Ungitarista 6d ago
they're not looking for a common vibe, ye egit! They're just trying to get a foot in the proverbial door, without any interest in the person in front of them.
How I meet potential partners? How about I see if they can become potential friends first, and not worry about the whole partner thing?
A desperate guy is the worst person to encounter. Don't be that desperate guy.
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u/free_as_a_tortoise 6d ago
I've had a few relationships and many friendships from speaking to strangers like this.
If you don't experience attraction to other human beings before getting to know them then you're in the minority. I'm not condemning it. Just know that both men and women often like the look of someone else and decide they'd like to get to know them from initial visual attraction. That's not men and women objectifying each other. Everyone, or at least most people, know there's a human being and you only see one small aspect of them. If there's no personality match it doesn't matter how good they look, because you know you're not a match. I wouldn't project your own inability to differentiate between physical attraction and objectification onto everyone else.
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u/Ungitarista 6d ago
ha! I can differentiate between the two quite well.
So: men get coached to score, then fly to a different country where 'all the pussy is', and then try to make it a numbers game (should be able to score 2 out of 100).
Yeah, they must be looking for love.
NB - friendly warning: do not try to attack me again. you can keep this discussion on topic.
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u/free_as_a_tortoise 6d ago
"ye egit" is not a thinly veiled way of saying "you idiot"? Is that you being friendly? Or do you prefer to have some position of privilege where you get to insult directly, but a person cannot take your words to their logical conclusion?
On the topic of attacks, why are you using quotes that I haven't said? I don't talk like that. I only represent myself. It doesn't seem like a good use of your time to build up a strawman to tear down instead of listening to what a person is saying.
I lived in Poland for years believing that no woman's ever wanted to be approached ever. Even when a woman would look and smile at me I said nothing. Because I believed angry women on the Internet who never worked on their trauma more than the reality in front of me. And then when I started to do so 3 years later, almost every interaction was positive. Women smiled, told me I made their day, said they wish more men did this. And I dated some amazing women this way.
There are bad characters out there, sure. But to label everyone who might strike up a conversation with a stranger they find attractive as a predator seems unreasonable.
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u/Ungitarista 6d ago
yes, that is in fact me being friendly, otherwise i would have written 'you idiot'. pro tip: don't close the question by making it an A/B choice. Not doing that shows interest rather than conflict.
I wasn't quoting you; I was making damn sure that "where the pussy is" is not how I think, but instead how these simpletons would be thinking.
last paragraph: i'm not stirring up a discussion about anyone who starts any conversation. I'm talking about Andrew Tate fanboys who get coached online, and encouraged to fly to Poland to 'score', because that's what this whole thread is about.
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u/_nalexandree1999 7d ago
I went to poland alone and i am lightskin and it was awsome i didn't feel like a passeport bro at all just a guy traveling and discovering amazing culture ❤️🩹
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u/averyrealspapple 7d ago
And that is not an issue at all. It's only an issue if people come at girls even when they say no.
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u/FullSense9838 7d ago
I don't think it's an issue of a guy hits on a girl(of course depends how) but if she says no or looks uncomfortable they should take a hint and go.
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u/NatureLongjumping977 8d ago
Tell them that you don't talk to passport bros and day gamers. By saying that they will know you know their game and who truly they are