r/whowouldwin • u/Verlux • Jan 23 '23
Event The Great Debate Season 14 Semi-Finals!!!
Rules
Out of Tier Rules
- For Out of Tier requests, simply ping myself and/or Chainsaw__Monkey and state your case for why you believe someone's combatant is out of tier, then proceed with the debate as per normal. We will evaluate that request individual of the debate itself and make our decision in judgments. Reminder: the Head Judges maintain the right to DM any user we believe to be skirting OoT lines and make our own OoT accusation, with said user having 48 hours to defend themselves.
Battle Rules
Speed is equalized to 50m/s movement speed, and projectiles are equalized relative to that speed (e.g. if John Wick were ran, his base speed of 10m/s would be increased to 50m/s, and as a result his handgun bullets would be firing at 5 times their regular speed).
All combatants are aware of the basics of their allies' combat abilities but are in the blind on their opponents (unless they have canon knowledge of said person via sharing a fictional universe)
Battleground: The Great Debate arena has traveled across fiction, from a coliseum, to the Mines of Moria, to Asgard, and more. For this specific tier, however, something a bit more natural, beautiful, and utterly destructible was in order: enjoy smashing your opponents through the pillars of the Zhangjiajie National Park. The park will be a 2 kilometer by 2 kilometer by 2 kilometer cube of the center of the park, surrounded by an impermeable barrier. For any characters who require access to sunlight, weather, etc. as always you can stipulate those things in and they magically take effect inside the barrier. Of note for the park: it is empty of wildlife, the pillars are natural stone, and the entirety of it is fully destructible. The pillars are spaced 75 meters apart, each pillar is 25 meters thick, and each pillar is 150 meters tall: combatants begin in the very center of the park atop one pillar, exactly 10 meters away from one another (teams begin spaced 1 meter away from each other in a line), and all combatants are aware of all these facts.
Submission Rules
- Tier: Must be able to win an unlikely victory, draw/near draw, or likely victory against Kaido in the conditions outlined above. All entrants will be bloodlusted against Kaido, meaning they will act fully rationally and put down their opponent in the quickest, most efficient manner possible regardless of morality, utilizing any and all possible techniques/tactics/attacks if necessary. The bloodlust does not give any foreknowledge of Kaido or his capabilities.
Debate Rules
Rounds will last approximately 5 and a half day days, hopefully from Monday until Saturday at noon of each week of the tourney; there is a 48 hour time limit both on starting (we do not care who starts, you and your opponent can figure that out) AND on responses, AND ADDITIONALLY each user MUST get in two responses or else be disqualified. If one user waits until the very last minute to force this rule to DQ their opponent without any forewarning to their opponents or the tournament supervisors, they will be removed from this tournament, no exceptions.
Format for each round: the one to go first gets an Intro + 1st Response, their opponent replies in kind, then both get a 2nd response, then a 3rd response in a back-and-forth style, and a closing statement individual of one another that can be posted any time after both 3rd responses are complete. FOR THIS SECOND ROUND, EACH DEBATER'S RESPONSES MUST CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN TWO FULL 10K CHARACTER-LONG REDDIT COMMENT PER RESPONSE!!!! You are allowed an intro post as stated above, which can include basic feats, of up to 5000 characters, but no arguments or comparisons may be made in comparison to the opponent.
Rounds will either be a full 3v3 Team Match, or 1v1 single matches. 1v1 matches are determined by randomization. Match format will switch every round, with Team Matches always followed by single matches, and vice versa.
Brackets Here
Due to the first round being 3v3 melee, the fourth round shall be:
1v1 Individual Matches
Pick 1 v 3
Pick 2 v 1
Pick 3 v 2
With the top person in each bracket match-up being the left-side pick
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u/KenfromDiscord Jan 29 '23
I send the locusts on the wind such as the world has never seen. On every leaf on every stalk until there's nothing left of green.
Thragg vs Omni-Man.
One of the most basic assumptions that we make while reading anything, not just for battleboarding, is that characters can grow stronger the longer the story progresses. This is equally true for Invincible as a series, as it is for Thragg.
Scaling Good??
Thragg slaps the shit out of Battle Beast in chapter 76, and then 40 chapters later in Chapter 115 Thragg even though he's heavily wounded before the fight starts beats Battle Beast again.
Omni-man gives Thragg a nose bleed in chapter 102, and then 40 chapters later Omni-man busts his fists against Thragg because Thragg is stronger now.
I dont care what Fem says this is not an even fight, Thragg beats the piss out of Invincible until Invincible throws them both into the sun, Invincible even says that he is willing to die to stop Thragg, and the only reason he doesnt is because Robot shows up to give outside assistance to Invincible. Something that cannot happen here.
Thragg's scaling is solid, Fem just forgets that characters can get stronger. When you look at how Thragg consistently interacts with Omni-man it becomes so clear why Fem needs to cast doubt on every aspect of Thragg's character.
Still Stronger.
The only way you can buy Omni-man being stronger than Thragg is if you do what Fem did; close your eyes and scream "Scaling isn't real, it cant hurt me"
Invincible tanks a nuke, and part of a bomb that glasses Las Vegas, and a city busting ray, and Thragg fucking crushes his skull and rips him in half.
The Invincible fight in the comics is generally more impressive than the one in the show, if you compare any single portion of the fight you'll see that Comics Omni-man is simply stronger, and as such Thragg would beat the shit out of both of them.
Me when im infinitely stronger than my comics counter part but get the shit beaten out of me by some dude my comic book self took out in .1 nanoseconds.
Thragg is just stronger than Omni-man its fucking undebatable. I cannot fathom how you would look at these scans and go "yeah well Omni-man has a pretty good chance"
Still Faster.
Fem never touched on this point so im just gonna repeat myself.
According to some napkin math done by Omni-Man's wife he's ~Mach 70.
Comics Invincible travels 8000 miles in less than 25 seconds.
That's the whole point. Omni-man could be 10,000 times stronger than Thragg, how the fuck does he hit him??
If I lose this match up in particular I'm gonna rip my hair out and lather my scalp with glass lightbulbs.
Conclusion
I've reached the character limit, my characters win.
Askin cannot lose to someone who has blood in his body and needs to cross a distance to win, Askin needs to think one thought to win, and theres no reason to not think that thought.
Buu's only win condition is the Candy Beam, but its not a win condition at all Stella can simply fight through it. Meanwhile Stella simply existing means that Buu is locked into a death cycle of; turn to ash > regen > turn to ash again. All of this is further compounded on by the fact that Stella could slice Buu into 1000 pieces and he couldnt do anything about it other than get incapped and lose.
Thragg is Stronger, faster, and more durable. The only way Thragg loses this match is if you simply ignore all of the scaling in the whole series for ??? reasons.