r/whowouldwin Aug 02 '23

Featured Featured Character: The Beyonder! (Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur)

He is... The Beyonder!


Here's the short version.

The Beyonder is a being from beyond time and space capable of casually and effortlessly manipulating the physical world, to the point where no character he's been pitted against has managed to achieve even the slightest advantage in confrontation, physical, intellectual, political, or otherwise. Fickle and easily entertained, the only thing capable of holding off the Beyonder is acquiescing to his whims, which does not always come painlessly.


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u/flickering-pantsu Aug 03 '23

If he's all knowing, why does he have to learn about Earth?

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u/TheMightyBox72 Aug 04 '23

I think knowing about the physical state of something doesn't give him insight into why it's happening or why someone did something to make it that way.

Like, he's able to register the effects of fear happening on a person but has to put it together that fear is what's causing it.

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u/Yglorba Aug 04 '23

I mean I guess we can argue about the precise meaning of "all-knowing" but either way he's still clearly not all-powerful (he clearly indicates he has superiors who sent him to earth and that he does not want to be there.)

And even in the clip you linked he implies his knowledge has limits - he says that he knew her plan as soon as she spoke it aloud. A genuinely omniscient character would have known it even before she was born, or at least the moment she thought it.

Either way I'm not sure I'd accept "knows the precise physical state of the universe at this exact moment in time, and nothing else" as a synonym for "all-knowing." A genuinely all-knowing character would possess literally all knowledge, ie. for any question that has an objectively correct answer, they can give it, and for any question that has a subjective answer they can give a valid answer from any perspective they desire (and would be aware of all possible perspectives.)

Ultimately I don't think it's reasonable to take those sorts of flamboyant self-descriptions as feats, especially when they're made by large ham sorts of characters like this one. Otherwise none of the Fantastic Four's victories against Doctor Doom ever happened because, as he has clearly stated on numerous occasions, he is invincible.

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u/KiwiArms Aug 08 '23

either way he's still clearly not all-powerful (he clearly indicates he has superiors who sent him to earth and that he does not want to be there.)

it's called doing your homies a favor u_u