r/whowouldwin • u/LetsGet2Birding • May 18 '25

Challenge Darth Vader Is Dropped Into Los Angeles. How Much Damage Can He Do?

Darth Vader right before the events of A New Hope is plopped in the city of Los Angeles, California. He has his lightsaber with him and can use the force. Given how he has just been teleported, he is confused, but of course, let's get the ball rolling by making him even more irritable since he now has no hope of helping retrieve the death star plans.

Just how much damage can Vader do before someone, somehow, puts him down. Police? Military? For how long can he wreak havoc?

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u/WickardMochi May 18 '25

Vader just canon had the ability to manipulate all the grenades on an entire rebel company to annihilate them

He casually tosses boulders to destroy Y Wings

He literally yanked a fleeing STARSHIP and ripped it open like a simple pop top tin can

He shattered the ground and casually threw boulders at Obi wan

He can stop blaster bolts with his hands

He literally froze an ATAT from stepping on him

An ATDP was collapsed onto him and he got up with zero damage

He blitzes Jedi masters that also have precog

These are only some of his feats. He can do serious damage, and unless all the National Guard and Police are called upon, he’s gunna rip through LA. Even then he’s killing most military squads and SWAT that venture upon him

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25

He tripped and fell over his own cut off arm lmao

Edit: Downvoting me because I'm right? It's a linked comic panel.

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u/Ninjazoule Average 40k Enjoyer May 19 '25

I remember when tarkin baited him into becoming a lightning rod, 0 precog there

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u/WickardMochi May 19 '25

True, but also in that same comic line his precog killed tarkin’s entire team.

Precog/spidey sense stuff you kinda have to take in the situation and the opponent. Many times the precog can absolutely be overloaded or the character can be tunnel visioned. Happens to force users clearly, happens to spider man, happens to Doctor Strange who should be able to foresee shit, etc.

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

What about when he got his legs cut off?

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u/Ninjazoule Average 40k Enjoyer May 19 '25

Forgot about that lol

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u/fredagsfisk ​ May 19 '25

Pretty sure people are downvoting because single anti-feats are lazy and largely irrelevant.

Plus, the person you're replying to is talking about Canon, while the comic you linked is Legends but has dubious canonicity levels even there, making it doubly irrelevant.

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

Pretty sure people are downvoting because single anti-feats are lazy and largely irrelevant.

Cool. So they hate the truth. It's another thing showing precog is a massive failure and cannot be relied upon.

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u/fredagsfisk ​ May 19 '25

So they hate the truth.

No, it's simply not relevant. Massive outliers are just generally not considered, no matter if they are anti-feats or not.

Feats and anti-feats have to be within the range of what seems reasonable to assume might happen in a random fight given our knowledge of the character as a whole, which that anti-feat is not. There has to be some believability and/or pattern to it.

Otherwise, any character from a long-running story/franchise (and especially those with multiple writers) will be insanely weak from ridiculous one-time anti-feats that have little to do with the character as a whole.

It's another thing showing precog is a massive failure and cannot be relied upon.

It's one example, contradicted by dozens or possibly even hundreds of other feats.

Also, as I've already said, the person you're responding to is specifically talking about the Canon version. The comic you're linking is Legends, and barely canonical there either. It has zero relevancy in this context even if it wasn't an outlier.

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25

It's one example, contradicted by dozens or possibly even hundreds of other feats.

I can name more examples of canon anti-feats of how inconsistent force precog is. Here I'll name some.

His loss against dooku, Luke, obi-wan 2 times, his losing battle against Luke in Episode 6, han solo ganking him at the deathstar in episode 4, the loss of the deathstar, losing to Hondo in the CW, all his losses in the CW, getting hit by sweet chin music from Clovis, not being able to see the real ship in Obi-Wan. His loss to Tarkin. His loss overall to the grey-skin jedi who kept blowing him up with traps.

It's consistently inconsistent and that should 100% be taken into account when precog is being brought up. Yes it works for small things, but for big events it fails OFTEN.

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u/fredagsfisk ​ May 20 '25

I can name more examples of canon anti-feats of how inconsistent force precog is.

Sure, and if you had brought those up from the start you wouldn't have been downvoted. Instead you kept posting the same single non-canon comic panel (which is still a massive outlier) over and over while being obnoxious to people.

It just comes off as trolling or flamebaiting when you do it like that.

His loss against dooku, Luke, obi-wan 2 times, his losing battle against Luke in Episode 6

Not really good examples, as these are all against other Force users and have special circumstances to them.

han solo ganking him at the deathstar in episode 4, the loss of the deathstar, losing to Hondo in the CW, all his losses in the CW, getting hit by sweet chin music from Clovis, not being able to see the real ship in Obi-Wan. His loss to Tarkin. His loss overall to the grey-skin jedi who kept blowing him up with traps.

These are all decent or good examples though, yes.

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25

Very cool.

Not really good examples, as these are all against other Force users and have special circumstances to them.

Not really anything special. Proof that if you're emotionally unstable you cant see the future. I mean its not 4d chess. We see jedi get dunked on all the time in the CW and do stupid shit. Precog sucks ass and never should be considered with more than a grain of salt.

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u/Ninjazoule Average 40k Enjoyer May 19 '25

No, it's simply not relevant. Massive outliers are just generally not considered, no matter if they are anti-feats or not.

I've seen his best feats taken as "standard" pretty often though rather than an outlier, which this is the opposite of

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u/fredagsfisk ​ May 19 '25

How is this the "opposite" of an outlier?

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u/Ninjazoule Average 40k Enjoyer May 19 '25

Ah I meant people don't typically apply the term outlier unless it's an anti-feat lol

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u/Ridley101 May 19 '25

Vader spawns in LA and trips into a manhole cover before he can do anything >>> Btw what comic is the panel from?

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u/ImperfectRegulator May 19 '25

Splinters of the Mind’s Eye published in 1978, so not only is it a massive outlier it’s also not cannon

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

What about Vader losing to rocks in Obi-Wan? Is that not canon?

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u/ImperfectRegulator May 19 '25

Haven’t seen the obi-one show but yes that would be cannon also did you seriously go into my profile and mass reply to my comments, even the one like this which isn’t even a reply to you and downvote me in a sub that has that disabled? Yikes

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

Huh? I didn't downvote anything and replied to one thing in this sub/thread. Which was this comment. Which i saw and didn't even realize it was you. Do you know how many people are up in arms about my Vader trips comment? You're not the only person. Dont let it go to your head.

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u/ImperfectRegulator May 19 '25

Huh sure you didn’t, my comment just say their without any downvotes for half a day until the second you replied, how very convenient,

Just like it’s convenient that you replied to both of my comments within seconds of each other

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

You know how phones get notifications? That's how I reply quick. Crazy right. Then I see your comment and decide im gonna reply to it.

Stop being weird guy.

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u/ImperfectRegulator May 19 '25

So, this is going to be my final reply to you considering you’ve started insulting me breaking rule 1 of this sub, but wow I didn’t know you got notifications for reply’s that aren’t even too you!!

That’s quite impressive, given how my original reply was to Ridley101 and not you, and you shouldn’t have gotten a notification for it, meaning you’d have needed to go hunting for my comment.

But either way, I’m done here, I’m not continuing a conversation with someone who’s going to break multiple sub rules and can’t hold a respectful conversation.

Reply or don’t I could care less

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u/WickardMochi May 19 '25

Fair, but when most ppl talk about feats, we use general consistency and characters at their “peak”.

A few outliers here and there are largely ignored unless specified.

Example: there was a comic where Deathstroke literally stabbed The Flash by simply pointing his sword backward and Flash ran into it killing himself. Clearly a massive anti feat, but also a massive outlier.

Or sometimes how spiderman had “spider sense” but there are times where writers simply ignored it and spider man gets bodied by something he should’ve simply ran away/dodged.

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u/WickardMochi May 19 '25

When did I say bullshit? I started my comment saying “fair”.

I’m saying you’re right that powerful characters have dumbass anti feats, but at the same time we look at the character at peak unless specified.

If you’re just pointing those things out to have fun or troll the ppl who are actually getting upset, then have fun. But I’m not here to incite anything

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

When did I say bullshit? I started my comment saying “fair”.

Bullshit as in everyone piling on. Not you specifically. Im not trying to incite anything with you I promise homie.

Im well aware strong characters have bs anti-feats, like space marines and the wooden spear, but pointing them out and providing other points is needed.

I do apologise for saying bullshit when you were extremely polite.

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u/evrestcoleghost May 19 '25

From legends,not the current canon

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u/Firm-Character-6852 God HIMperor of r/WWW May 19 '25

I know. Im still going to point it out because its a hilarious anti-feat.

However with canon Vader also loses to a bunch of rocks per Obi-Wan show.