Darth Vader Is Dropped Into Los Angeles. How Much Damage Can He Do?

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Darth Vader right before the events of A New Hope is plopped in the city of Los Angeles, California. He has his lightsaber with him and can use the force. Given how he has just been teleported, he is confused, but of course, let's get the ball rolling by making him even more irritable since he now has no hope of helping retrieve the death star plans.

Just how much damage can Vader do before someone, somehow, puts him down. Police? Military? For how long can he wreak havoc?

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Ahhhh got it. You're one of those. Have a good one kiddo

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Good talk, troll. Real productive.

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Oh wait. Here's more. almost lost to a rando. And a bookshelf damn near killed him. Where was the precog?

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That rando was a Jedi Master who also had precog, and news flash: she lost. Tell me you know nothing about Star Wars without telling me you know nothing about Star Wars. Just cut your losses and stop making a fool of yourself.

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That not how precog works.

You're saying she saw herself in the future pulling down the bookshelf which somehow negates vader noticing it or being able to react in time

And yeah cere is essentially a nobody.

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You're saying she saw herself in the future pulling down the bookshelf which somehow negates vader noticing it or being able to react in time

I think he thinks precog is like super good.

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Yeah I'm not sure what his argument is here. Vader clearly failed to see or react to the bookshelf.

So if it's not his lack of precog, him being exponentially stronger than her in the force amounted to almost nothing? He barley won that

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I wouldn't say a Jedi master isn't a nobody.

Force precog is more of a way that reveals different futures, not absolute futures. It's why projectiles are easily deflected, but a sword strikes a Jedi might have more trouble with. It's not perfect precog, but it's more or less anticipating certain actions. It's really similar to Spidey sense in thatr regard.

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There's a fair amount of jedi masters who aren't specialized in combat (in either force use or the lightsaber), so my point was that the title itself doesn't have that much weight to it.

Yeah it's a limited precog that is incredibly inconsistent and largely limited to blasters.

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Thing is Cere has proved herself in combat. Her summoning the Dark side killed several Stormtroopers and knocked out Trilla.

By Survivor she can straight up pull down Imperial transports.

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Cere is a Jedi Master, and Jedi and Sith use low-level precog when they fight all the time. It's how they can react and perfectly counter the rapid blows and blaster fire. This is well-established canon. Their precog basically counters each others and lets them fight on an even playing field, though this can tip to either side depending on their concentration and power.

The bookshelf literally doesn't matter since he wasn't damaged from it. There are several feats of him doing the opposite when it actually matters, like here at 3:00.

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Being a jedi master is just a title, it doesn't mean they're skilled. You know who else is a jedi master? this guy . Obi-Wan took his council seat after he died.

She was broken off from the force for years, then a rusty hermit later. It's a very poor showing for vader.

Uh no, we see vader and other force users surprised and tagged by non force users pretty regularly. The precog argument is a bit of a sham unless they're actually concentrating or deflecting blasters.

Anakin vs clovis or maul vs the mandalorians (blanking on name). As just two of countless examples. I could go through vaders recent canon comic run and pick out a hell of a lot more.

We see people like grevious overwealm jedi frequently too*

Lol ah yes a feat of a ptsd padawan getting blocked.

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This is the media telling you that Cere is not like those other Jedi Masters. She is skilled. It is not a Vader anti-feat, it is a Cere feat.

In the last game, she used an incredibly advanced Force Shield to stall Vader's blade almost immediately after touching the force. She's just built different.

Debatable, but let's just chalk it up to inconsistent writing and plot armor.

In both Anakin vs. Clovis and Maul vs. Visla, Anakin and Maul were trying to beat their opponents without the force due to their pride (Anakain) or need to prove themselves (Maul). They both won their respective fights.

Ok, and? Vader can block a Padawan, but cannot block a Master. How is this an anti-feat? It's what is to be expected from the best Jedi Masters.

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She's literally a random jedi master who never stood out in the past yet somehow after trauma can suddenly face vader because of plot? It's an anti-feat.

Sure, but that's my point, it's very inconsist and you can't just handwave any fight he's in to say "heh precog" like it's a instant wincard.

Half of you guys say precog is always on and now you're saying they intentionally don't use precog due to pride? Hard to believe unless you can source that claim. Maul also did use the force in that fight.

Edit: and grevious, a non-force user is one of the top jedi hunters of all time, they all have precog and even obiwan barely beat him. It ain't good.

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No, again, it's a Cere feat. If Vader has excellent showing against most Jedi but struggles against her, it means she's goated.

It is pretty much an instant-win against non-Force Users. In a fight, they don't lose expect against overwhelming firepower.

I never said it was always on. On the contrary, in an earlier comment, I said the precog strength depended on their concentration. Anakin was blinded by rage and not concentrating.

The only time Maul used the force in that fight was to summon his lightsaber and the Darksaber to his hands, that's it. No Force pushes, no chokes, nothing. Compare that to him effortlessly beating away Bo-Katan's shots with a wave of his fingers when she tries to shoot him in Season 7.

Grevious is literally build different. The RotS novelization stated that he was swinging his lightsabers 4 times a second and Obi-Wan only held on due to hsi mastery of Soresu. Even still, Grievous cheats (shooting Nadar Webb in the stomach with his third arm while their blacked were locked, having his Magna Guards shock Eeth Koth from behind during their duel) and relies on fear tactics. Dooku literally told him to not engage unless he had fear and surprise on his side.

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In both Anakin vs. Clovis

Tell me you know nothing about the media without telling me you know nothing. Anakin used the force in that fight. And got blindsided 3 times by Clovis.

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Tell me you know nothing about the media without telling me you know nothing.

Ironic. Anakin used the Force only once after Clovis challenged him to fight without it, and the fight was already almost over at that point. Technically cheating, but he would have won without it anyway.

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There's too many antifeats of precog. Want me to list them?

Like how about the time Darth Vader almost got crushed by a bookshelf that fell slow and couldn't even react. Here I'll link it for you.

Here

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Ok, and? The bookshelf didn't hurt him. And, once again, this doesn't prove your original claim that he would just randomly trip over. Your agenda is getting ridiculous. You don't even remember what you were arguing for.

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He was clearly wounded from that. His point was that Vader lacked the precog to see it coming or to react in any way.

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Because he was fighting someone else with precog, and Jedi/Sith precog tends to work better the more danger they are in (see Vader sensing and deflecting a sniper shot). The bookshelf did minor damage and was used by an opponent with her own precog who outplayed him.

I really don't know why you're willing to die on the hill that Vader's precog sucks when it is extremely well-established that he has it and it works.

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They're not playing 4D mental precog chess here dude. Your downvotes are showing your insecurity.

Oh I never said vader doesn't have precog, it's hella inconsistent and not actually good when it matters (ie any fight)

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It's not 4D chess, it's simply them anticipating each others moves and reacting accordingly. See this awkward spin at 2:33. Obi-Wan and Anakin were both reacting to each other's strikes before they happened, and the other reacted to that reaction and decided on to attack. It's not that hard to follow, it's basically what happens in Mistborn. And I don't care about downvotes, but since you brought them up, I'm the one being downvoted, so stop projecting.

Yeah, it's inconsistent, but that's mostly against other Force users. It's very consistent against normal people, which is what this topic is about.

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I mean I've got way more of precog just failing anakin/Vader.

Like the time he dropped his lightsaber in attack of the clones. Or when it got cut in half in the factory. Where was his precog then?

What about when he didn't sense Han Solo shooting down his TIE fighter in Episode 4?

I mean he quite literally tripped and fell on his own cut off limb in Legends. Which is all canon to legends BTW. It has happened before and could happen again.

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I don't remember the context, but he was an impulsive and horny teenager back then, so it's not really a knock against his Sith self.

He was dialed in on Luke and wasn't paying attention.

Still no source for this besides a book that was declared noncanon to Legends in 1980.

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but he was an impulsive and horny teenager

Full adult, and legally married. Wow you really dont know your media. Edit: different response. Doesn't matter though, antifrat against precog.

He was dialed in on Luke and wasn't paying attention.

So precog didn't work. So if hes dialed in anyone can kill him?

Still no source for this besides a book that was declared noncanon to Legends in 1980.

Where is your source saying its not canon to legends?

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19 years old, and not married yet. You really need a crash course in Star Wars, mate. I though I told you to stop making a fool of yourself.

As I said earlier, the precog strength also depends on concentration. He wasn't concentrating, so yes, if he's that dialed in, anyone can kill him. That's not his usual state though.

Can't find an official statement, but here's a here's a Reddit post about Legends canon, and the events of that book are blatantly contradicted by ESB and future material. Luke and Leia literally had a romance arc in that book.