r/whowouldwin Jul 09 '25

Challenge Every human on Earth vanishes, except for one random person in the US. A button is placed on the summit of Mount Everest that can be pressed to undo this change. Can humanity be restored?

Every human on Earth vanishes without a trace, except for one random survivor: Ethan from the United States. Moments after the disappearance, a mysterious device materializes before him, displaying a message:
"Humanity can be restored. To activate revival, you must press the button housed at the highest point on Earth—the summit of Mount Everest."

Ethan essentially has as much of a prep time as he wants to gather all the essentials like food, water, weapons, vehicles and everything else that has been suddenly abandoned. He can raid supermarkets, libraries, military depots, and pharmacies for supplies. Ethan can still die of old age so this prep time isn't unlimited.

Now, Ethan faces an impossible gauntlet:
He must travel to Nepal and ascend to the summit of Mount Everest without dying.

Can Ethan survive long enough to reach the button and restore humanity?

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u/IEatGirlFarts Jul 09 '25

GPS would work for years with no human intervention.

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u/TheRedditorSimon Jul 09 '25

Maybe 7-25 years, as they will drift out of orbit due to gravity peturbations and there are no ground operations to provide station keeping updates.

Also, the power grid goes offline almost immediately. User grade solar cells degrade about 1%/yr.

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u/DeadHeadDaddio Jul 11 '25

The fuel needed to power the ship will go bad within a few months.

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u/TheRedditorSimon Jul 11 '25

Most any ship engine bigger than an outboard motor will be fueled by diesel, not gasoline. Diesel is far more tolerant for storage, especially if you have the stuff without biodiesels mixed in.

Additionally, if Ethan can find an older diesel motor, they're much more tolerant of diesel fuel variations.

Lastly, you can "polish" diesel to recondition it. Just drain out the stuff at the bottom and use filters and mild heating on the rest. Most boats have this set up on board, already.

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u/TurnoverInfamous3705 Jul 14 '25

They would fall in 2 years without intervention.

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u/Glittering_Season141 Jul 10 '25

Ethan doesn't know this.

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u/guyblade Jul 10 '25

This is flagrantly incorrect.

GPS works by each satellite knowing the precise time and where it is going to be at that time. Given the precision needed, that information is computed on the ground and uploaded to satellites based on ground-based observations of them (e.g., laser & radar range-finding + models). Generally, those satellites only have a few weeks of forward-looking data on them at any time.

If humans aren't doing those uploads, then the system breaks down within a month.

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u/Leninlover431 Jul 10 '25

My understanding was that GPS is calculated solely from time-of-flight of the signal, and its the various correction services that rely on the ground-based observations (SBAS). So the accuracy of the system will degrade, yet it will remain functional as long as the GPS sats remain in orbit with functional clocks.

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u/guyblade Jul 10 '25

Flight time is important to the calculation, but you have to know where you're measuring from with high accuracy. That's the ephemeris data.

If you look at the GPS spec, it includes an error budget relative to how old the data (ephemeris and other) is on page A-12. Notice that after the ephemeris is only 15 days old that the error is over 200 meters.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo Jul 10 '25

to miss getting a boat to china you need a good deal more substantial drift than 200 meters

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u/guyblade Jul 11 '25

It is important to keep that 200m in context. This image from page A-7 of the doc shows that the degradation seems to get exponentially worse as time goes on.

That section also references this document. While I'm not certain that I'm interpreting the table properly, it seems like the table on page 135 of that document implies that a (block IIR or later) GPS satellite just won't have ephemeris data past 62 days after its last upload. If that's true, there would be a slow degradation, then a complete loss of function at ~2 months.

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u/IEatGirlFarts Jul 10 '25

You could also correct with your compass and heading.

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u/LigerZeroSchneider Jul 09 '25

Yeah there are no gps servers, the infrastructure is solely satellites.

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u/guyblade Jul 10 '25

This is very, very wrong.

The whole way that GPS works is by having the satellites broadcast the current time and their current position with very high precision. The satellite can't know that information, on its own, so that information is computed on the ground via models and observations of the satellites from monitoring stations (e.g., radar or laser-based rangefinding). Once that information is computed, it is uploaded to the satellites. Usually, the models can only predict a few weeks into the future because of the precision needed and the general chaos of complex systems. Those machines on the ground are doing the real heavy lifting that makes the constellation functional.

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u/IEatGirlFarts Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 10 '25

...an actual, proper gps has its own actual antenna connecting to an actual sattelite constellation...?

Edit: Jesus christ people i was being sarcastic since the dude before me mentioned GPS servers...

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u/StarKnight697 Jul 09 '25

…very often, yeah. How do you think people navigate with them in remote regions?

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u/IEatGirlFarts Jul 09 '25

No, i was being sarcastic. The user i replied to was talking about GPS servers...

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u/StarKnight697 Jul 09 '25

Ah, gotcha.

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u/DelcoMan Jul 09 '25

wait until you learn about satellite phones.

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u/AbsoluteSupes Jul 11 '25

And how about the engine for a vessel capable of crossing an ocean?