r/whowouldwin • u/Historical_Ostrich • Aug 02 '25
Battle An unarmed Captain America (MCU) replaces Robb Stark at the Red Wedding - can he fight his way out?
Cap doesn't have his shield or suit, and he doesn't know that the betrayal is coming. The Freys are not aware of his upgraded abilities.
Can Cap fight his way out? Bonus points if he can keep Catelyn and Robb's wife safe. Double bonus points if he can kill Walder Frey and Roose Bolton.
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u/AC0909 Aug 02 '25
Yes he could survive, easily I think, but I don’t think he’s saving anyone
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u/Historical_Ostrich Aug 02 '25
There are like 7-8k Freys and Boltons at the Red Wedding, I think - many of them armed with crossbows. Surely someone stands a decent chance of tagging him and at least slowing him down?
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u/TomeOfCrows Aug 02 '25
He managed to escape SHIELD headquarters while completely surrounded by hydra agents in Winter Soldier. The entire building was on high alert to capture him and had access to the best equipment in the setting, including aircraft, and they failed to capture or even harm him.
Sure, he had his shield at the time but I think dealing with arrows and swords will be a lot easier.
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u/SloppyPussyLips Aug 02 '25
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a standard arrow literally just bounces off of him
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u/NobleSturgeon Aug 02 '25
Or if he has the superhuman reflexes to catch them and dodge them.
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u/GodOfDarkLaughter Aug 02 '25
A normal person can train to catch an arrow. Only in a very controlled setting and it's crazy dangerous, but monks and the like have been doing it forever. If a normal man can do it, Cap can do it way, way better.
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u/ggg730 29d ago
While I agree with you that monks catching arrows is probably just a DnD thing this regular australian guy can catch arrows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-kR8ttz-k&ab_channel=InTrouble
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u/Other-Grapefruit-880 Aug 02 '25
At which point every single person in the room drops their swords and/or flees.
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u/SloppyPussyLips 29d ago
And if they don't flee at that point they're certainly going to flee when he flips an entire table across the length of the room, sending multiple people flying.
Cap might not be able to stop the massacre outside, but the Red Wedding itself is not happening and the Freys are fucked.
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u/Other-Grapefruit-880 29d ago
When the keep emtpies out soldiers screaming in terror, and then out comes Cap swinging a whole entire oak dining table as if it were a tennis racket most of the people outside are gonna run too.
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u/SloppyPussyLips 29d ago
And Cap doesn't have a no kill rule, he's 100% just passing out concussions lmao it would be a bloodbath
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u/Barbarian_Sam Aug 02 '25
That arrow came off of a 100lbs war bow, not a hunting bow
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u/ReturnOk7510 29d ago
Modern compound hunting bows are much more efficient than any traditional bow, giving much higher velocity with lower draw weights. They are better at transferring the energy to the arrow, and less is absorbed by the limbs as vibration.
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u/Mr_Lobster Aug 02 '25
I mean once he rips a couple weapons/shields away from some of his attackers, he'll be able to go to town on them.
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u/Budget-Attorney Aug 02 '25
The guy can outrun a car.
It would be pretty trivial for him to sprint away faster than the order can be given to fire crossbows at the super soldier running from the castle
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 29d ago
His biggest issue is being trapped in the initial room, where the "kill box" is. If he can escape that he's fine
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u/Stalking_Goat 29d ago edited 29d ago
Like the prison scene in Watchman, Steve Rogers is not trapped in a room with the soldiers, the soldiers are trapped in a room with Steve Rogers.
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u/FallOutFan01 29d ago
Also paging the following users u/SlateSquirrel, u/freshly-stabbed, u/blatherskiters, u/South-by-north, u/a__new_name for the purposes of discussion and to add some extra information.
For scaling, comparison and informative purposes I present the following information, YouTube clips.
Things to remember is that Steve possesses an really good memory and observational skills.
Like having an few seconds to glance at an HYDRA battle plan with HYDRA positions on it and recreating it to Colonel Phillips.
While recovering and awakenina/semi consciousness from his frozen sleep in an SHIELD medical room disguised as an SSR hospital room he was listening to an baseball radio broadcast but realized it was inaccurate because he was there.
After the battle of new york he joined SHIELD and learnt modern combat tactics and fighting techniques.
So when he fought those SHIELD/HYDRA agents in the elevator in the Triskelion.
He didn't know they were HYDRA agents, didn't know HYDRA was involved.
As such he was holding back from going all out against those agents.
SHIELD had their own training facility with their own campuses such as academy of operations.
Which existed to train agents to become tactical agents with level 5 clearance.
Think the guys that guarded the shield facility in New Mexico those guys that Thor took down.
The academy of operations also trained field agents, but they also trained “Specialists”.
So for example Clint Barton is or would be an specialist, Steve Roger’s would be an specialist or just as skilled as one.
But here is an another specialist Grant Ward’s file and his skills.
- [Here is Grant Ward fighting 12 level 5 tactical agents.] (https://youtu.be/jaaU9KClANI?si=Zc5RG02fMQ25b3Pf
I’d wager Steve went to the academy of operations and trained and because of his enhanced memory, stamina, healing factor.
All combined to allow him to train to superhuman levels beyond the scope of regular individuals.
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u/cmjebb Aug 02 '25
Brynden Blackfish escaped and he was in his 50s (?). Cap makes it out easy, maybe saves one or two people.
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u/blatherskiters Aug 02 '25
Captain America. Can run like 30 miles an hour and punch through a brick wall. He’s a super-human.
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u/Coidzor 29d ago
If he's not hit in the initial salvo, he likely isn't able to be targeted for a while, between things like upending tables, having a press of people trying to kill him acting as human shields, etc.
Depending upon version of Cap, it's also possible for him to take out a not insignificant number of the crossbowmen when the ambush initiates just using what is on the table and his own personal eating utensils.
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u/nowayguy 29d ago
Where did you get that number? I haven't watched the show, but nothing in the books suggests several thousand guests.
Are you including the army encampnent outside the city?
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u/Bradybigboss Aug 02 '25
Thing is the arrows might be a non factor. He’s fast enough to react to bullets and also the arrows might actually be unable to pierce him. A crossbow from close would pierce him but I think he’d just pull it out and get pissed lol
People with swords will be far too slow for his hand to hand
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u/KriegerBahn 29d ago
Cap has an enhanced healing factor. He would heal from arrow wounds in less than an hour
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u/jjames3213 Aug 02 '25
He survives, and maybe he saves some of the Starks 9/10. Roose and Walder are within 50 feet of him to start - they die in the first 10 seconds.
The issue is not only raw power, but also morale and the raw shock of randomly facing off against someone who can rip your head from your shoulders in seconds. Cap can lift multiple tons. He is lifting cars and flinging 900 lb motorcycles at people with minimal effort. He is ridiculously fast and agile by Westerosi standards. He can grab grown men and fling them around into each other like nunchucks. Given the dire circumstances, I don't think that morals are an issue.
With that kind of strength in a more grounded (and not-PG13) universe, particularly one without firearms, he'd be literally ripping people limb-from-limb unless he's holding back. I don't think it's particularly close.
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u/PartyClock 28d ago
Great Jon Umber managed to fight his way all the way to the river and he was just a really strong dude without superhuman reflexes
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 Aug 02 '25
Robb's wife got killed the second after Catelyn tried to warn Robb so she a goner. Given that Cat was the last one to be killed in the Red Wedding, Cap might have a chance to save her as the Freys and Boltons would be focusing on him as he is tossing their bannermen around like ragdolls.
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u/ChesterHiggenbothum 28d ago
Cap also has enhanced intelligence and tactical ability. He understood that he was going to be ambushed in the elevator because of a bead of sweat. Frey's speech would have put him on guard.
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u/paradisewandering Aug 02 '25
If MCU Cap is even marginally annoyed, he dogwalks this.
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u/2hurd 29d ago
I think he would be pretty annoyed once Freys kill his wife and mother.
I don't think any of them would leave alive.
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u/AmNoSuperSand52 Aug 02 '25
Considering that Cap:
- fought a dozen Shield/Hydra agents that ambushed him in hand to hand combat without his shield for most of it and won
- bicep curled a helicopter (and subsequently had me questioning my sexuality)
- went the full 9 rounds with Thanos
I think he could survive the Red Wedding pretty handily. If he gets his hands on one flimsy shield it’s absolute game over for the Freys/Boltons
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u/delulumans Aug 02 '25
I kinda hate that people use his helicopter feat mostly when he has way better ones like deadlifting a part of a steel beam off Bucky at the end of The Winter Soldier
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u/SuperMajesticMan 29d ago
Nah, the beam is definitely not his best feat. He didn't really lift it like a deadlift, he wedged it up an inch so that Bucky could slide out. That's very different. It's not like he picked up. And since it's on an aircraft its mostly like made from lightweight materials.
Trust me, I work in a metal shop and we deal with long heavy stuff like that all the time. Theres many heavy pieces that I could lever up one end like Steve, but not come close to actually "lifting" it in any way.
The AIRBUS AS350 is the helicopter, and has a lifting capacity of about 3000 lbs (and the real lifting capacity would be slightly higher than the listed) . So he was holding back ~3000lbs, and he pulled it down with a move that was basically a bicep curl which people normally have to use really small weights for comparatively.
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u/GenoThyme Aug 02 '25
That’s the scene with Chris Evans that made you question your sexuality? Not Another Teen Movie was the scene for me, but hey, to each their own
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u/garfunkle21 29d ago
I just had a vision of cap throwing one of those rectangular shields because they don't have any round ones 😂
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u/SlateSquirrel Aug 02 '25
“Before we get started, does anyone want to get out of this great hall?”
The elevator scene showed Cap’s situational awareness. The only way he’s not escaping is if someone gets in a debilitating blow at the very start before he can react, and I don’t think that would happen. No one is going to close with him after he kicks the first few attackers through a wall, and his speed and reflexes should be sufficient against bolts and arrows.
As others have said, protecting anyone else while fighting off a literal army would be tough, and he’d probably choose to retreat and regroup rather than make en effort to take our Frey or Bolton. For the time being.
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u/Friendly-Web-5589 26d ago
Though the impact he would have even if he didn't clock what was about to go down and take the initiative, which I think he would have, changes the entire dynamic of the situation so he might well be able to save others.
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn Aug 02 '25
He gets out, but no way in hell he's saving anybody. He's probably killing Walder and Roose on his way out though!
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u/ErosDarlingAlt Aug 02 '25
Remember that they're the most heaving guarded people at the wedding, and they are the opposite way to the exits. I think he either survives, or kills them, but not both
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u/Lazarus-TRM 29d ago
Heavily guarded by normal medieval level humans, that err on the incompetent side in the case of the freys and the cowardly side in the case of the Bolton's, against a steel-beam-benchpressing, helicopiter-pulling, missile-dodging cracked out superhuman with the sword and shield of the first mother fucker he killed. You might as well put guard uniforms on a bunch of puppies and kittens and set a pissed off starving polar bear on them for all the good those guards are gonna do.
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u/ItsAProdigalReturn 29d ago
His shield might not be there, but there are other shields there. Cap is a fucking monster with a shield.
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u/uselessprofession 29d ago
Cap can throw a sword right through Walder who's an open target sitting high up
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u/charlotte_katakuri- Aug 02 '25
We are talking about a guy who fight against aliens with futuristic weapons with only his shield. He dodge and tanked bulletw, laser weapons and explosion. He is very durable and have regens. other than crossbow, I don't think any of the weapons gonna damage him. Even crossbow, he probably could dodge it. He can escape easily
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u/Hollow-Official Aug 02 '25
Yes. What’s a few idiots with crossbows doing to a guy that can flip tanks? Any superhero in Westeros would be outrageously OP. I doubt he’s saving the Starks though. Killing Walder isn’t even a question, easily done if he wants but at the end of the day the starks are still squishy normal humans.
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u/Infinite-Fig4708 Aug 02 '25
MCU Cap is a super human, not just peak human. He was a one man army against Thano’s forces when they invaded Wakanda in Infinity War. I feel like more than a few of the Bannermen would nope out of there when body parts flying all over the place every time Cap swings an arm.
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u/QuinnKerman Aug 02 '25
I wouldn’t be surprised if the arrows wouldn’t even go deep due to how much stronger his body is than a normal human. To withstand his superhuman strength, his body has to be superhumanly durable
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u/Creative-Improvement Aug 02 '25
I wonder if Natasha would be a better prompt. She can hold her own, but can’t tank as much, so she needs to be more sneaky. That said she might figure out the betrayal much much sooner. Hawkeye would also be interesting.
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u/Just-Performance-666 Aug 02 '25
He could escape, remember how fast he can sprint.
But he's not strong enough to take on an army of thousands.
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u/TechnoMaestro Aug 02 '25
He doesn’t have to be. He’s superhuman and the majority of the soldiers would likely rout once he’s dealt with a hundred or so; given how we know he fought in Infinity War and End Game, it’s possible he can break them to a rout and rally the Starks to a more effective escape
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u/SlyFrog Aug 02 '25
I feel like people are worried too much about the shield. Yeah, it's nice, but it's not like he needs his actual shield to brain someone. It's his (let's be honest, super human) dexterity, eyesight, reflexes, reactions, and strength that allows him to throw the shield like he does. And can't he come pretty close to dodging bullets, even if it is "reacting to the people shooting?"
So I guess I don't see why he can't basically take a plate or tray and flick it through Walder's brain in under a second. I mean, isn't this guy basically capable of hitting a hole in one every time with a golf club or something from like 500 yards out?
I think he could just maim these people, and once someone gets the top of their head sliced off and someone else has their heart plucked from their chest or eyes picked out nearly faster than people can see it, I'd imagine there's gonna be a lot of freaking out and running.
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u/rpuppet Aug 02 '25
I mean, isn't this guy basically capable of hitting a hole in one every time with a golf club or something from like 500 yards out?
That's Hawkeye. But your point remains.
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u/TheNaiveSkeptic Aug 02 '25
Probably, but it’s also possible he gets unlucky and takes a crossbow bolt to the throat when the fighting starts
MCU Cap tanks some small arms fire to the torso and then fights Winter Solider and then lifts what is probably a multi-ton I-Beam off of him in his second solo film, so imo even if he gets some crossbows to the chest or limbs he clears
He likely notices the incoming ambush sooner than Catelyn did in the show; opens the fight by throwing a whole ass table at the crossbowman before they fire. Shouts orders at Stark bannermen to coordinate their resistance.
6/10 he achieves all objectives, 2/10 he fails to secure one or more of Catelyn or Robb’s wife, 1/10 someone like Roose or Frey scurries away unharmed in the chaos, 1/10 he actually gets stopped (but frankly I think that’s overestimating their chances). Maybe 2.9/10 he loses someone but only 0.1/10 he dies or is captured
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u/1speedbike Aug 02 '25
In Civil War didn't he dodge Hawkeye's arrows from a few yards away? And Hawkeye is a ridiculously accurate shot, and I assume that the speed/force of his arrows are much greater than what your typical archer can do. I know crossbows are more deadly than regular bows, but they don't give Hawkeye-level accuracy, and are slower to reload. Sure, he might get hit with some lucky shots, but I think his heightened senses and speed would at least allow him to prioritize and dodge or block the bolts that pose a greater danger, like the bolt to the throat.
Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.
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u/GrandioseGommorah Aug 02 '25
Hawkeye was on his side in Civil War.
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u/1speedbike Aug 02 '25
Ah shoot my memory's hazy. Maybe thinking of Avengers when Loki mind controls Hawkeye? Or in Civil War before coming over to his side, wasn't he chasing him? Or maybe I'm just thinking of a particular deleted scene Civil War, and given the ridiculous breadth of the MCU, my brain just created a memory of me physically seeing this. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
there was a great sequence where Hawkeye was chasing Cap through Washington D.C. there was an awesome sequence where they confronted each other in a ravine on the outskirts of D.C. and Hawkeye was shooting a series of arrows closing in on Cap, Cap closing in on him. And then Cap took him down and he realized for the first time that Hawkeye was trying to trick S.H.I.E.L.D, where he whispered something into Cap’s ear that Cap had a tracker on his suit and to punch Hawkeye to make it look real, because there was a Quinjet hovering above where they were watching the feedback back at S.H.I.E.L.D.
- https://screenrant.com/hawkeye-captain-america-2-role-explained/
Either way, cool scene. Too bad it didn't make it in.
I guess a counterpoint to this cut scene would be that if Hawkeye was really trying to just convey a message to Steve, was he really shooting to kill? I think he was, knowing that Steve would be able to manage his attacks, and that even slightly holding back would arouse suspicion with SHIELD.
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u/Longshot1969 Aug 02 '25
Hawkeye’s bow is a 125lb draw bow, he injured one of the Wrecking Crew in Secret Wars, and they all have natural body armor, to the point they shrug off bullets. Doubt a crossbow has similar penetrating power.
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29d ago
Why don’t you just make the scale out of 100?
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u/TheNaiveSkeptic 29d ago
You’re right, that would make sense
I guess because 1) because this sub usually uses /10 scale, so it’s just convention, and 2) I was originally going with nice 1/10 but changed my mind to a much smaller fraction & didn’t want to change the previous estimates I’d written down in tenths lol
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u/Practical_Archer6445 Aug 02 '25
Yes. He’s unarmed, but he can pick up a shield, right? They’re all over the place and Cap is an expert at fighting with a shield. He’d f*** up everyone in that room, no question.
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u/CuteLingonberry9704 Aug 02 '25
If he could grab a weapon, he could fight his way out. But that's it, probably. Remember that the Frey's had an actual army there, or enough to swamp him. And Cap's not Thor, Hulk, or Captain Marvel. He can absolutely get stabbed or shot by arrows.
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 Aug 02 '25
And that army was focused on taking out Robb's men outside. By the time they decided to check out the Red Wedding inside, Cap and Cat would be long gone after jumping into the Trident.
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u/Kgb725 Aug 02 '25
Cap tossed a motorcycle and destroyed a jeep full of men hes more than capable of handling them. A bunch of men weighed down by armor would neither be fast or strong enough to take him out
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u/UndeadPhysco 29d ago
I don't care how big that army is, They're normal human beings, and a normal human being is going to shit himself when he sees a tall muscular man decimating his friends bare handed
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u/Friendly-Web-5589 26d ago
Late to this party but people always overlook the psychology of something like this. Especially if Cap was in full killing mode.
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u/freshly-stabbed Aug 02 '25
Cap clears easily but probably doesn’t save many.
Fine, so no vibranium shield. Cap can pick up a 12-long oak banquet table and use it as both a shield and a cowcatcher. If he doesn’t care how many people he kills, and just wants to bulldoze through, he can plow through a wall with a banquet table and just leave.
One of the beauties of the way Evans portrayed Cap is that he’s basically never going full tilt on anyone. He’s constantly measuring the minimum to end a threat and then not risking collateral damage. He always wants to subdue rather than kill. He knows he’s strong enough to rip off human heads with one hand and he spends as much effort on NOT doing that as on stopping the threat.
At the Red Wedding, he leaves uninjured if he likes, having killed whichever specific people he liked. He can probably only save one or two. But Walder is dead, and Cap isn’t even limping.
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u/JeremiahWuzABullfrog Aug 02 '25
He can definitely run out of there. Even on horseback no one's gonna catch him, and if he gets his hands on anything throwable, it's going through someone's face.
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u/Kaslight Aug 02 '25
Cap with a sword would make short work of Drogon. He can outrun vehicles and throw shields through cars.
He'd be like Oberyn with the strength of 10 Gregor Clegaines.
But like others said, he can't really save anyone.
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u/Kardlonoc 29d ago
The one thing about GoT is that nobody is a super soldier. You have people who kinda reach the lower tier of that status, like the mountain, but then are brought low by deception and a knife to the back. That is to say, the knife hurts everyone. Its low fantasy in that way.
GRRM set up his universe in such a way. It makes for excellent storytelling, but at the same time, you have a series of characters who are essentially weak compared to other characters. He could say "oh yeah, so and so is a great swordsman compared to Aragorn" while completely ignoring the biology of Aragorn compared to basically normal humans.
Cap's a super soldier who is excellent at awareness and throwing things. He cannot get intoxicated because of his super metabolism, so essentially, he's fully sober for the betrayal.
Cap is several leagues above anyone in Game of Thrones and is a "super hero". He could easily improvise plates and platters instead of his shield until he gets a weapon, but said platters could ricochet and take out several snipers/opponents within seconds.
If you have groups of elite military guys with guns unable to take Captain America out, why would average crossbow men or soldiers be able to take him out?
Basically, Captain America would stomp the Red Wedding, destroy all his enemies, and introduce democracy and the American way to Westeros through a series of brutal shield-based murders and battles. He would have the most trouble with dragons, but there are countermeasures for that and likely he could get his own.
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u/Odd_Interview_2005 29d ago
Cap is hyper intelligent. There was evidence in the book that the freys were planning "something" nasty. Robs mom noticed it. She was definitely not the brightest, im not saying shes an idiot.
I think after frey thought it was so funny that Rob/Cap thought it was so funny, he was seaking guests right, publicly. Cap would have quietly issued orders to his army in preparation for an ambush. A defensive camp built, elite guards sober on duty. Orders for his men not get drunk. His captains and family in the keep probably would have been in armor under their clothing,with fancy weapons, you know, just for display, in case of a surprise attack at night.
I think under caps leadership red wedding is when most of the freys family ends up dead in a costly battle
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u/Racnous Aug 02 '25
Well, if his primary objective is to get the Starks out, his best play would be to try to hold Walder Frey hostage. There's no doubt Cap could get to him. The only question would be if Frey's kids cared enough to ensure his safety.
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u/jimpez86 Aug 02 '25
No way anyone is seeing Cap kill every Frey in the banquet hall and then not surrendering.
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u/dg2793 Aug 02 '25
He's putting his fist through someone's face omni man style and everyone is simultaneously shidding their loin cloths
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u/TheCrimsonKing99 29d ago
There's a web series on the site Royal Road that kinda shows this, but it's Cap fighting against the Targaryens with Bobby B. It's a pretty great power fantasy series. It's called A Soldier Adrift.
But yeah, he fucks them all up
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u/BastardofMelbourne 29d ago
MCU Captain America can bicep curl against a helicopter.
Every Frey in that room is going to die.
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u/Swagamaticus 29d ago
Can definitely fight his way out and eliminate whoever he wanted. Protecting the others is kinda 50/50.
He may not know the betrayal is coming but he does have enhanced senses and instincts honed by a century of combat experience. I'd say there's a pretty decent chance he could tell something was up and be moving or at least low key informing everyone else before the Freys made their move.
Sidenote: anyone else picturing this like the church fight from Kingsman with a bardcore cover of Freebird in the background ?
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u/RadicalD11 Aug 02 '25
Without suit and shield, he may fight his way out. Depending on how many bolts hit him in the opening. Best chance is just throwing himself through the window and then to the river.
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u/Rickrickrickrickrick Aug 02 '25
Cap doesn’t need a weapon and if he does, he’d just take one from one of the people trying to fight him. He’s a superhuman. He’d escape easily.
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u/Volsnug Aug 02 '25
Nah he’s fucked, at some point a crossbow bolt is gonna hit him from an unexpected direction
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u/StIvian_17 Aug 02 '25
He’s basically 3 or 4 x 8 foot tall Gregor Clegane’s in a single human six foot two body.
The real question is, fit him out with plate armour, helmet and a broadsword and some training and how many can he take out - given he can probably move still twice as quick wearing armour as the rest of the troops can without.
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u/greatwhitekitten 29d ago
Are we being realistic about his strength? Or going with what we see in the movies? Because in real life one punch from cap is caving in someone’s chest, smashing their skull to bits, shattering their ribs etc. I think it’s a clean sweep and caps not even sweating
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u/FallenKnightGX 29d ago edited 29d ago
Captain America has super human reflexes and even thinks faster than a normal person. Not only can he perceive danger earlier than anyone else in the room just by seeing a weapon drawn, he can also react to it just as quickly. That and Walder doesn't have a great poker face to someone like Cap who has far more experience than Rob.
Robb's wife was right next to him, if that was Captain America he'd likely stop that one attack but given they all happen pretty close to the same time, he wouldn't be saving anyone else unless he managed to shock the room.
Captain America is not only a super veteran of battle compared to anyone in that room, but also in a variety of hostile situations, and has a much better education in general (including war). He would know the only way he has a chance at saving some of the lives in that room is by shocking everyone at the same time to buy him time. He'd likely take the weapon from the would-be assassin on Rob's wife and throw it right at Walder Frey, taking him out instantly, then declaring it while killing the guy near him with his bare hands. That scene alone would not only be completely unexpected but horrific from the perspective of the enemy. The enemy king just killed your leader with the fastest / hardest dagger throw you've ever seen in your life, and he broke the guy's neck next to him like it was a twig.
He'd know he was now deep in enemy territory, and his only option to protect the people in that room is to take out any other enemy leaders within it. Once Roose tries to rally the assassins or attempts to attack Cap himself, he's dead too.
Outside Robb's forces are being destroyed, but in that room he's bought enough time for Robb's men to ready themselves, and for an actual battle on a relatively level playing field to occur. To the enemy, boss music would start here. He would incur loses, he wouldn't be able to save everyone, but once the attackers lose both leaders and the element of surprise within seconds the winds would shift heavily in Cap's favor. Some of the attackers flee for help, the others are dispatched within moments, primarily by Cap's hand.
Now, Cap needs to protect those that survived from an overwhelming force outside that room. Some if not most defenders did survive the attack along with Cap, so he'd barricade them in the room, leaving them to fend for themselves while he acted the part of a decoy that also aims to throw the enemy into disarray. He'd be an excellent decoy because he's a stand-in for Robb, the King of the North target #1. Additionally, we need to remember this is a medieval setting, these warriors have loyalty to their house, sure, but the majority are people who just want a reason to go home with little interest in how the rich people are fighting amongst themselves. With both leaders dead, he gave them that reason, but now he needs to let them know that in a way, individual squad leaders cannot rally their men back.
Cap would take both Walder and Roose's heads with him, make noise as he left the room, go somewhere up high where a lot of people could see him, then declare he has defeated their leaders. He would throw their heads to the ground, this would confuse the majority of the soldiers, causing them to hesitate. Word would spread the King of the North defeated both leaders single-handedly and was now out in the open, declaring it. This would spread confusion, and the majority of those that weren't confused would turn their attention to that area and away from investigating the quiet, barricaded hall.
The first commander in the area to speak up and try to rally the men would get dagger or sword right to the face at superhuman speed (Cap is killing people for effect, not holding back), the next 3-5 would be the same if they were dumb enough to keep trying. It would be brutal given how much damage his shield toss does to the empowered villains he has fought in the MCU, a dagger would be like getting a shotgun blast to the face for the average person. It would either blow through a commander's head or knock them completely off their feet while killing them instantly. If he used a sword, it would be even more devastating to watch, and he'd know that. If he was lucky with a sword, he'd literally pin someone to a wall, which would be a scene out of an actual nightmare for these people.
Even if they initially attacked him with arrows, he almost certainly picked up a shield along the way, so he's deflected / dodged / parried / etc. them and this assumes arrows can even hurt him, which they probably cannot. The force and speed of a modern bow out paces a medieval bow or crossbow, and he'd be used to modern ones (actually he'd be used to crazy accurate / fast / powerful arrows, more so than an average modern bow) given who else is on the Avengers.
So now you have the King of the North on top of a castle wall in front of a large group of enemies. He's openly declared that he's killed both your leaders, has deflected, dodged, hid behind a wall, and/or caught the arrows coming his way, is re-filling his ammo of daggers / swords from anyone who attacks him, and throws those same swords / daggers with such speed and force it would be like magic to these people. If killing people instantly wasn't scary enough, he'd start purposefully maiming them. Throw a dagger at someone, and before they realize it, their arm or leg is missing from the knee / elbow down. The room is soon filled with screams of pain and terror.
If you're a peasant, rank n file solider who was told this would be an easy victory, what do you do?
You flee as fast as you can without looking back, trying to drown out the horrific screams behind you. You run from the monster on the wall, who just single-handedly killed both your leaders and has begun picking off anyone else who speaks up in worse and worse ways.
As you flee, others watch you run by them or ask what is happening. Some of those fleeing say the King of the North is a Demon King, killing people left and right by himself, nailing people to walls with swords, blowing limbs off with dagger throws, and any attack on him just gives him more ammo. More confusion sets in, if any of Rob's army remains they might get a moment to get their arms and begin to fight back, leading to even more confusion and every bit of confusion is compounded as it spreads. Confusion leads to fear, the fleeing men screaming about a Demon King leads to hysteria, it soon spreads uncontrollably amongst those who aren't loyal career soldiers and are just there because they were commanded to fight for their local lord, so they are gone running clear off into the distance.
Even those that are loyal may start to flee in the face of such overwhelming fear. If they did not, they'd go to where Cap is and witness the Demon King of the North for themselves. They'd see him at this point either up on the wall tossing people off it, down on the ground deflecting arrows, and brutally killing anyone who comes near him (remember, he's going for shock and isn't holding back, he'd cleave people in half or down the middle and that would be monstrous to a normal person). You'd walk into a room filled with pain filled cries from maimed men, horrific crunching noises as he slams face after face into the castle walls or as they fall to the ground, and whatever deafening noise a sword makes as it slams someone into a wall hard enough that it wedges itself into rock.
Would he save everyone? No, he'd have heavy losses. He cannot be everywhere at once. But he would manage to save some, he would quickly manage to divert most of the men attempting to break into the barricaded hall away from it, and those that remain would have a tough time breaking in / killing Robb's remaining men given the situation doesn't easily lend itself to superior numbers so long as they can keep the barricade in place and given the number of wooden tables in that room, I am going to say they can hold out for a good couple of hours while Cap only needs 15-30 minutes to begin to spread terror.
Most of Robb's army would be decimated, yes. However, Cap would now be in control of Walder's territory (because who the hell is going to screw with the newly anointed Demon King of the North in that area), and rumors of his strength would spread like wildfire. He'd be able to either retreat back up north to rebuild his forces while abandoning the Frey's territory, or he'll be able to get enough of it under his control while summoning some reinforcements to have a foothold in the area. Kings Landing wouldn't be able to act quickly due to the crazy, unbelievable stories coming out of the area, but it is more likely Cap goes back up north.
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u/Owl_Might 29d ago edited 29d ago
Could Cap deduce the betreyal is happening? Like he notices the the armor under the clothes then he will be vigilant. He could save some people if he strong enough to wield a person as a weapon.
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u/JuliusCaesar121 28d ago
Whether he can save his mom and wife seems to depend on whether the serum gives him a heightened sense of danger. Pretty much what helped him figure out the dudes on the elevator planned to fuck him up
If so, I'm sure he could survive. Once he started breaking necks, the cowardly freys would flee before trying to kill his mom and wife
For the record I would happily watch a rated X version of this scene where robb stark lines up every Bolton and frey, and gives them the American history x treatment one at a time
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u/Long_Lock_3746 26d ago
You remember the opening where he full on Sparta kicks a 200 lb man across the deck of and then off of a ship like its nothing? They're all dead. They're trying to kill a defenseless pregnant woman (in this switch, maybe Cap s girl and kid by proxy)! Steve would show zero mercy; he may not kill frequently but he's definitely a soldier.
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u/WellEllipsis Aug 02 '25
This entirely depends on the durability of his skin. If he’s vulnerable to crossbow bolts and stabs from spears than he’s killed by the sheer mass of them. If he’s not vulnerable to those he’s basically invincible and leaves without a serious challenge.
No chance he saves anyone though.
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u/Stonna Aug 02 '25
Double double bonus if Cap assumes command of Robb’s army and turns the tide of the battle
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u/echochee Aug 02 '25
Look at it this way. If he keeps the plot armour he gets all the points. If not he probably loves and maybe saves the wife or mom
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u/ErosDarlingAlt Aug 02 '25
I think best case scenario he escapes alone, or maybe with Catelyn. Talisa is the first to die, so I doubt he can save her without premonition.
I also doubt he could murder Walder and Roose without dying himself.
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u/Chen932000 29d ago
Cap is pretty observant. He may notice things being odd before Catelyn which buys him a bit more time. Saying Talisa is only really doable if he can throw something lethal at the guy going to murder her. I agree she probably dies. Walker and Roose can both be killed again just by having things thrown at them if he wants to. Saving Catelyn may be doable if he immediately flees with her (though I dont recall if there were any man sized windows in the main room.
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u/LeoFalchi Aug 02 '25
Read and find out : https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/48948/a-soldier-adrift-captain-westeros
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u/Patient-Expert-1578 29d ago
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/48948/a-soldier-adrift-captain-westeros
Fan fiction of captain America in Westeros. It’s amazing
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u/DatBeardedguy82 29d ago
Nah they sneak attack crossbow bolted robbs ass Steve ain't getting out of there either
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u/ACosmicCastaway 29d ago
lol Cap solos all of ASoIF. Give him his shield and he will take them all at once.
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u/1Meter_long 29d ago
I'd say not very good. Everyone got attacked at the same'ish time. He has no spider sense or plot armor here to give him heads up from the knife that's about to enter his neck.
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u/Leighgion 29d ago
Yes, Cap can absolutely fight his way out and if he was motivated to do so, he could easily take out Walder and Roose. Remember that Cap was a soldier. Taking out the command structure is basic military tactics, so he'd think of it quickly.
Saving people is a harder one. Super-soldier or not, Cap is still just one guy. He can't stop all of the violence.
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u/Proper6797 29d ago
I don't think he could save everyone, and killing every soldier would take ages. They could not stop him from leaving though.
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u/ReverendLoki 29d ago
My take on a few key points:
- Cap has developed a lot better situational awareness that Robb had. He'd know something was happening a lot earlier, and would have already started planning his next moves.
- The room is full of improvised weapons, and Cap is a lot better at using his environment to his strategic advantage than Robb.
I think there are two scenarios where Steve doesn't survive this encounter.
- Someone manages to take a hostage and get him to stand down without leaving themselves open to a ranged attack, either directly or via ricochet (admittedly not likely).
- The archers in the balcony actually coordinate their shots in a staggered pattern that makes it near impossible to dodge or block them all.
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u/Themodsarecuntz 29d ago
Cap will take a sword and shield from the first soldier and then proceed to annihilate the entire room.
The others aren't just focused on Cap. There is fighting amongst themselves.
The first person to harm an innocent or turn on him has no idea what they're about to face. They are destroyed by a leg sweep and disarmed and knocked unconscious on the ground.
Cap is now armed and angry and looking for work. Its over for anyone that gets in his way.
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u/GeekzoidPrime 29d ago
Now, even MCU Cap managed to hold his own, even if only for a bit, against Thanos. He beat the crap, in a very close quarters fight, a team of prepped, trained and strong special ops. In the red wedding, where's there's no elite soldiers, none of the "big guns" are there, there's literally nobody able to stop Cap from killing every single hostile in the room. He's able to dodge lasers from the Chitauri, he's fast enough to chase cars, strong enough to hurt a freaking robot and durable enough to take blows from Thanos. If he manages to get everyone focused on him, King in the North becomes King of the Seven Kingdoms and the series becomes much shorter. Nobody's gonna be very keen to be Robbs enemy, knowing his best warrior is faster than the Viper, more skilled than Jaime and stronger than The Mountain.
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u/ReservoirBaws 29d ago
Well, they stabbed the bride almost immediately, I think she dies either way. Cap probably saves Catelyn and a few others by using a nearby table as a shield and busting through the locked wooden doors. Once he gets the survivors to safety, he either leads them back to Winterfell or has Catelyn do it while he goes back and cleans house.
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u/nemainev 29d ago
I think so. He would've picked up on the trap long before Cat.
The problem is that he would put himself at risk trying to protect the women, but he can mess the freys up.
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u/nemainev 29d ago
Basically cap would notice the trap long before Cat, and he's smart and a great tactician, so he would play along and create the best opportunity to get the women out alive and prepare a counter.
I'm confident that they would welcome Arya and Sandor with dinner ready.
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u/SphericalCrawfish 29d ago
I don't remember if Rob took a crossbow bolt in the opening volley or not. In any case Cap bodies the whole room even with an arrow in him.
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u/BambooSound 29d ago
You mentioned Robb's wife so show version, right?
Talisa's still dead. It's the first thing that happens to things off so he can't stop that. I doubt he saves Catelyn, either. Maybe Roose can't kill her in time but the crossbows still will.
I honestly think he'd struggle to survive himself. We haven't seen him be particularly strong against piercing damage so enough crossbow arrows from Coldplay concievably put him down before he kills everyone.
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u/WingmanZer0 29d ago
I think Cap survives, and maybe with some luck could save the ladies. Once he starts fighting it's going to be over quick, like less than a minute, even if the assassin's in the room don't just flee when they see their colleagues get instantly shattered by this dudes bare hands.
It all depends on how fast and in what order he dispatches the assassins, and how committed they are to bringing him down.
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u/Chueskes 29d ago
Yes. He is a super soldier facing guys with swords, knives, and crossbows. He faced people with guns and barely gets hit.
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u/Cardemother12 27d ago
Probably, Robb survived for so long partly because his men were fighting back and throwing tables to cover him
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u/dunnylogs 23d ago
Don't need an adamantium shield when all you are up against is medieval weaponry. Normal shield is fine
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u/Fandom_Canon 19d ago
He doesn't know the betrayal is coming ahead of time, but he might sense it like he did in the elevator fight from Winter Soldier. Heck, Catelyn sensed it right before it happened.
I say Cap's hitting some crossbowmen with flying dinner plates kicking Roose out a window and choosing not to kill Frey because he's unarmed. He's making it out if their with at least one of the Stark lady's, and then helps organize the fight outside.
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u/TheIcey1 15d ago
Steve Rogers would kill everyone in the room.
Anthony Mackie will die after taking out 2-3 dudes
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u/MyrmidonExecSolace 3d ago
If the music archers don't get him before he gets a shield they're toast
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u/TheGreyKage 2h ago
I don’t know jf he has like super reaction speed but I’d say in about 2 seconds he’d be a hedgehog of crossbow bolts
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u/South-by-north Aug 02 '25
Really depends on how shocked the rest of the wedding is from having a dude just start to destroy every trained warrior in there bare handed without breaking a sweat.
If he wanted to any one person in that room is dead, but it’d be harder to defend someone else from every other person.
Think about that elevator scene with Cap and those guys were prepared and ready. There is not a single person in or outside that castle that has any chance of cap is after them, much less preventing him from getting away