r/whowouldwin • u/Historical_Ostrich • Aug 02 '25

Battle An unarmed Captain America (MCU) replaces Robb Stark at the Red Wedding - can he fight his way out?

Cap doesn't have his shield or suit, and he doesn't know that the betrayal is coming. The Freys are not aware of his upgraded abilities.

Can Cap fight his way out? Bonus points if he can keep Catelyn and Robb's wife safe. Double bonus points if he can kill Walder Frey and Roose Bolton.

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u/South-by-north Aug 02 '25

Really depends on how shocked the rest of the wedding is from having a dude just start to destroy every trained warrior in there bare handed without breaking a sweat.

If he wanted to any one person in that room is dead, but it’d be harder to defend someone else from every other person.

Think about that elevator scene with Cap and those guys were prepared and ready. There is not a single person in or outside that castle that has any chance of cap is after them, much less preventing him from getting away

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u/FaceDeer ​ Aug 02 '25

I should also note that he won't be bare handed after he defeats the first guy, he'll have whatever weapon that guy had.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 02 '25

He'd have every soldier in the room impaled on the wall within 5 minutes

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u/Less-Network-3422 Aug 02 '25

Man I'd love to see Cap kick ass outside of the pg13 Disney confines

Would be absolutely brutal watching him decapitate dudes with his shield

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u/JustAnArtist1221 Aug 03 '25

I doubt Cap would willingly be so brutal.

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u/TheMythofKoalas 19d ago

Yeah, he's willing to kill, but he's never (to my knowledge) been willing to slaughter. I can't see him going around impaling a bunch or (relatively) defenceless humans.

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u/Krillin113 Aug 03 '25

A 2 minute cameo on the boys please

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u/Flintydeadeye 29d ago

Corridor crew from YouTube made a R rated Marvel

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u/Hopeful_Jury_2018 20d ago

Watch some 40k Space Marine animations. They get the vibe down imo with the strength and speed + the brutality of the 40k setting

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u/Intrepid-Zucchini-91 Aug 02 '25

5 more years and AI will make it so

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u/Nicelyvillainous Aug 02 '25

He won’t be even before that, cap is strong enough to wield a chair with the ease of a sword, and pretty sure grabbing the metal plates and goblets and chucking them would end up embedded halfway through people’s heads. He throws a 50lb shield at over 40mph, he should hit a 200mph with a 2lb metal plate or goblet.

Based on his practice with thrown weapons, he could 100% be throwing to knock arrows out of the air and disable archers. He’s fast enough to catch arrows out of the air, much less pull matrix moves to dodge them.

On even ground, Cap has a solid shot at single handedly taking out Deanerys’ entire army of unsullied, plus the dragons, as long as there is some cover to survive the initial strafing run of flame. Solid chance of throwing a rock hard enough to break a wing bone and force each one to the ground.

Heck, he can run 70mph!

So the only way this is even a challenge is if cap doesn’t even get the like 3 seconds of warning from the music stopping, and immediately gets a few arrows in the back, he might be challenged trying to massacred everyone in the castle while already heavily wounded.

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u/DonaldShimoda Aug 02 '25

He's basically a Space Marine with a bit less durability. And I would definitely bet on an unarmed Space Marine to pulp the entire Red Wedding in less than 5 minutes.

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u/Yum-z Aug 02 '25

Honorary shoutout to that one part in the new Space Marine Secret Level episode. So many things right, so many things so well done. The golden age of Warhammer media is finally upon us

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u/DonaldShimoda Aug 02 '25

You talking about the part where he sprints towards the tank, shoulder barging the battle car on the way?

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u/Yum-z Aug 03 '25

I'm also talking bout that part where he PUNCHES a man into the fog at mach 8 speeds

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u/United_Obligation358 22d ago

and after the golden age, comes the decadence

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u/cocoagiant Aug 02 '25

He's basically a Space Marine with a bit less durability.

I keep hearing about these. Is these from a video game or a novel series or something?

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u/Bradybigboss Aug 02 '25

It’s actually a tabletop game called Warhammer 40k but it’s extended into a bunch of other media. Been around a long time so has had a lot of time for books and video games and such

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u/Majorlol Aug 02 '25

Warhammer 40,000. Have a look here.

https://youtu.be/La07q38YxEc?

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u/DonaldShimoda Aug 02 '25

What the others said. Look up "Astartes" full version on YouTube for a great representation of them.

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u/BuckN56 5d ago edited 5d ago

Warhammer 40K universe has all type of media. Video games, books, comics, video, etc. but it's all based on a tabletop game. Space Marines (aka Astartes) are just the human supersoldiers that wear armor and are extremely badass. There are multiple races, some good, some bad, some even worse, and whole universe is considered to be "grimdark" because of the constant war, pain, and suffering happening. Pretty cool lore, and great games as well.

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u/cocoagiant 5d ago

Thanks. Is there a particular book or video which is good and maybe less dark?

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u/BleepinBlorpin5 Aug 03 '25

He could wield a dude, just swing him around by his head or a limb. Hahaha

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u/a__new_name Aug 02 '25

Would it be any useful to him? Outside of daggers (if knowledge from knife combat is transferable) and shields he's unlikely to have training with anything they've got.

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u/Waspinator_haz_plans Aug 02 '25

If someone's strong enough to stop a helicopter taking off, I don't think they'd need much skill for any weapon they wield to be used effectively.

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u/Hoskuld Aug 02 '25

In one of the 40k rpgs scaled for "normal" humans you could also play a space marine and the way strength worked you could just throw stuff at people to kill them. I assume when cap chucks a tankard at your head, you will not have s fun time either

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u/Emperors-Peace Aug 02 '25

I mean he throws his shield at things all the time. It's not a stretch to suggest he could do the same with a medieval shield.

Cap fights his way out of the castle 0 difficulty. But his loved ones are still all dying, there are crossbowmen around the room, he can't shield against them all. All the Freys including Walder are dying.

But can Cap may struggle to escape to freedom outside the castle. There's an entire army of Frey's and Bolton's that have just killed all the Starks. He might struggle there.

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u/Hoskuld Aug 02 '25

Oh yeah shields for sure, I was more thinking what would be immediately available at the wedding table

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u/SpotCreepy4570 Aug 02 '25

The Wedding table.

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u/iShrub Aug 02 '25

Someone please draw Captain America literally going (╯°Д°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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u/drwicksy Aug 02 '25

He can keep up with cars running, maybe horses could catch him eventually but not the footmen

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u/Shribbles Aug 02 '25

He runs faster and probably far longer. World record horse speeds top out below 45mph and that's usually ~a mile with lighter weight than a mounted warrior. Cap just needs to run in a not-Rickon-line.

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u/mbean12 Aug 02 '25

"Normal" humans (by normal I mean trained and fit humans, not your average couch potato) are faster than horses over long distances (horses are good sprinters, but they have limited stamina). There's no chance in hell they are keeping up with Super Soldier Stamina Steve and his Stupendous Sprinting Speed.

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u/wweswilliams Aug 02 '25

Nah, he can do this all day

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u/CocoSavege Aug 02 '25

If Cap is just concerned about himself, he can absolutely just dive in the river.

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u/agray20938 ​ Aug 02 '25

A mace or morningstar are pretty self-explanatory though, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Cap trained on how to use a spear

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u/a__new_name Aug 02 '25

Now to think of it, Cap certainly knows how to use a bayonet. That should apply to spears as well.

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u/CocoSavege Aug 02 '25

Eeeeh, a spear really isn't like a bayonet. Spears are typically a lot longer.

Spear shafts often are a little flexible, and while stabby is always a go to, slashy does show up. Or smacky?

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u/Bradybigboss Aug 02 '25

Wakanda’s primary weapons are spears in verse and cap also seems to be able to pick most things up that he is around a lot and use them. Cap is going full Prince oberyn I think

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u/CocoSavege Aug 02 '25

Absolutely fair. Just saying a spear is pretty far from a bayonet.

Oberyn is a very nice pull, dunno why I didn't think of it. Shows the scale of an "in verse" spear, (iirc, 8') also shows how a single spear user might use a spear (asterisk, unusual opponent, but still a "peak" spear guy)

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u/Bradybigboss Aug 04 '25

Idk who downvoted you lol—I think oberyn is def the portrait of a peak spear guy in the verse. I’m not sure if there are scenes already of cap using a wakandan spear—but I now think spear would be one of the worst things for the Frey’s to let him get his hands on lol

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u/Saharan Aug 02 '25

Break a spear in half, boom, a bayonet.

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u/CocoSavege Aug 03 '25

Did you mean broom (stick), bayonet?

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u/Coidzor Aug 02 '25

Using a one handed sword as an oversized knife would allow for some translation of the skills, but the most important thing is the increased reach over his arms alone.

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u/Apprehensive_Set_105 Aug 02 '25

Long stick is always long stick, and with overwhelming strength skills matters less.

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u/ProbablythelastMimsy Aug 02 '25

A sword to him would be like a lightweight switch, very little technique required.

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u/fl4tsc4n Aug 02 '25

Isn't one of his abilities knowledge of how to use every mundane weapon, and the ability to instantly familiarize himself with an unknown weapon?

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u/BackgroundTotal2872 Aug 02 '25

He doesn’t automatically have knowledge, but he’s an extremely fast learner and picks up new skills quickly.

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u/fl4tsc4n Aug 02 '25

Yeah i think within 2-5s of picking up a sword he'd be a master swordsman. He picks up mjolnir, hefts it once or mm twice, and instantly displays equal or greater skill with it as thor, in endgame

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u/Clovis69 Aug 02 '25

Dude's played baseball, he knows how to take a thin long object and accurately hit things with it

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u/HevalRizgar Aug 02 '25

Even if he's not a good enough swordsman to cut with the edge of a sword, he's still adding a few feet to his reach with essentially a metal baton

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u/p4nic ​ Aug 02 '25

Would it be any useful to him? Outside of daggers (if knowledge from knife combat is transferable) and shields he's unlikely to have training with anything they've got.

He'd be decent with a spear/polearms thanks to his wwii bayonet training.

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u/TheTomato2 Aug 02 '25

Are you really asking if a genius-super-solider from the future won't be able to weild swords against a bunch of medieval bumpkins?

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u/geometricpillow Aug 02 '25

Yeah the only chance would be if they got him first, unexpected, from behind. From what I remember in both the books and show Robb isn’t the first to go though. It could work hypothetically like Cap is just chilling, having fun, having a drink, and then boom, stabbed. Although Cap would probably realise something is up with the Freys not drinking as much, concealing weapons/armour ect.

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u/Kdcjg Aug 02 '25

He would have noticed at the beginning of the wedding. He is shown to be very perceptive to how people are behaving

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u/The_Truth_Flirts Aug 02 '25

Cap has a known to be near perfect aim/throwing arm, can tankard the dude about to kill robs wife then idk, pick up a table to shield stark from crossbows.

If he's not bothered about his reputation, he could probably cut a guy or two in half with his arms and have everyone in there double take. Then go to work. No guarantee you won't get a stubborn bustard who keeps on target after cap moves to attack mode to like 100% can fight way out leaving no enemy survivors, 30-40 chance of keeping both v.i.ps alive.

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u/JL_MacConnor Aug 02 '25

Yep, Cap's going through that place like Lancelot through Swamp Castle.

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u/SimplerTimesAhead Aug 02 '25

Stopping part way for a chat and then resuming the murder?

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u/JL_MacConnor Aug 03 '25

But of course!

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u/SimplerTimesAhead Aug 03 '25

It's his particular.... damn, I can't think of the word.

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u/SwiftWithIt Aug 02 '25

But what about all the bows

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u/Yglorba Aug 03 '25

Think of how good Cap is at blocking bullets with his shield. Sure, he doesn't have his shield here, but he doesn't need it - any random object can stop an arrow if he uses it the way he uses his shield.

Plus, the archers aren't going to focus fire him at the start (since that's not what they did in the original.)

And while Cat grabbed the wrong person as a hostage, there are important people in that room. In particular, canonically Roose personally killed Robb. If Cap grabs him and uses him as a shield or hostage instead, no archer is going to be willing to fire.

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u/SwiftWithIt Aug 03 '25

I assumed he would be in there alone lol

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u/Matt_2504 Aug 02 '25

Those guys in the elevator didn’t have swords and crossbows. He would get stabbed and shot to pieces just like Robb did. Robb didn’t die because of a lack of fighting skill, he was in an impossible situation

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u/DavidKirk2000 ​ Aug 02 '25

Cap has tanked direct shots from alien laser beams and a full force punch to the face from Thanos. I don’t think swords or crossbows are doing much to him.

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u/Apprehensive_Cry2104 Aug 02 '25

Even beyond tanking hits, they have to actually hit him. Cap was overwhelmed in an incredibly confined space in the elevator with magnetic handcuffs on. And he still deduced the betrayal was coming beforehand and won that fight. Cap with room to maneuver, free hands, and a room full of objects to improvise and take cover behind, is in a way better position. Swords and crossbows are not going to even the odds against someone with Cap’s superhuman reflexes and strength.

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u/Tragedyofphilosophy Aug 02 '25

I think you're kinda over selling that. Cap wasn't hit full force by Thanos, if he was, someone who could fight evenly with hulks strength, that makes little sense, unless his durability is high enough that he could tank hits from an rage ready hulk, and I don't think he can.

Thanos simply gave cap a look of surprise, then hit him. Remember that thanks wasn't trying to kill more than needed, he just wanted to enact his plan.

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u/KrimsonKurse Aug 02 '25

Important to note that Cap had one arm pinned the entire time, and no shield, during that elevator scene. They didn't have swords or knives, but... Cap was still one armed...

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u/Spacemonster111 23d ago

I always wondered why none of the elevator guys had guns. All it takes is normal bullets to kill cap

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u/No-swimming-pool Aug 02 '25

They didn't Wanne kill him in the elevator and did a really bad job though.

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u/OCJeriko Aug 02 '25

While I mostly agree, Cap did get tagged twice by the tazer in the gut at the end of the elevator fight. Replace that with a dagger or sword and he's gonna be hurting bad.

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u/KriegerBahn Aug 02 '25

Cap has enhanced healing factor. It’s not as good as Wolverine’s but he can still shrug off death blows for normies and recover from stabbing injuries in an hour or so.

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u/OCJeriko Aug 02 '25

He definitely can't recover from stabbing in an hour. After he fought Bucky in Winter Soldier he was in the hospital. He can fight through injuries for awhile (Endgame), but my overall point is that he can and has been tagged by skilled but otherwise normal humans. Here he's unarmed and unarmored, there's no guarantee for success or survival in this situation.