An unarmed Captain America (MCU) replaces Robb Stark at the Red Wedding - can he fight his way out?

[u/Historical_Ostrich]

Cap doesn't have his shield or suit, and he doesn't know that the betrayal is coming. The Freys are not aware of his upgraded abilities.

Can Cap fight his way out? Bonus points if he can keep Catelyn and Robb's wife safe. Double bonus points if he can kill Walder Frey and Roose Bolton.

[u/TheNaiveSkeptic]

Probably, but it’s also possible he gets unlucky and takes a crossbow bolt to the throat when the fighting starts

MCU Cap tanks some small arms fire to the torso and then fights Winter Solider and then lifts what is probably a multi-ton I-Beam off of him in his second solo film, so imo even if he gets some crossbows to the chest or limbs he clears

He likely notices the incoming ambush sooner than Catelyn did in the show; opens the fight by throwing a whole ass table at the crossbowman before they fire. Shouts orders at Stark bannermen to coordinate their resistance.

6/10 he achieves all objectives, 2/10 he fails to secure one or more of Catelyn or Robb’s wife, 1/10 someone like Roose or Frey scurries away unharmed in the chaos, 1/10 he actually gets stopped (but frankly I think that’s overestimating their chances). Maybe 2.9/10 he loses someone but only 0.1/10 he dies or is captured

[u/1speedbike → u/TheNaiveSkeptic]

In Civil War didn't he dodge Hawkeye's arrows from a few yards away? And Hawkeye is a ridiculously accurate shot, and I assume that the speed/force of his arrows are much greater than what your typical archer can do. I know crossbows are more deadly than regular bows, but they don't give Hawkeye-level accuracy, and are slower to reload. Sure, he might get hit with some lucky shots, but I think his heightened senses and speed would at least allow him to prioritize and dodge or block the bolts that pose a greater danger, like the bolt to the throat.

Otherwise, I agree with your assessment.

[u/GrandioseGommorah → u/1speedbike]

Hawkeye was on his side in Civil War.

[u/1speedbike → u/GrandioseGommorah]

Ah shoot my memory's hazy. Maybe thinking of Avengers when Loki mind controls Hawkeye? Or in Civil War before coming over to his side, wasn't he chasing him? Or maybe I'm just thinking of a particular deleted scene Civil War, and given the ridiculous breadth of the MCU, my brain just created a memory of me physically seeing this. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

there was a great sequence where Hawkeye was chasing Cap through Washington D.C. there was an awesome sequence where they confronted each other in a ravine on the outskirts of D.C. and Hawkeye was shooting a series of arrows closing in on Cap, Cap closing in on him. And then Cap took him down and he realized for the first time that Hawkeye was trying to trick S.H.I.E.L.D, where he whispered something into Cap’s ear that Cap had a tracker on his suit and to punch Hawkeye to make it look real, because there was a Quinjet hovering above where they were watching the feedback back at S.H.I.E.L.D.

- https://screenrant.com/hawkeye-captain-america-2-role-explained/

Either way, cool scene. Too bad it didn't make it in.

I guess a counterpoint to this cut scene would be that if Hawkeye was really trying to just convey a message to Steve, was he really shooting to kill? I think he was, knowing that Steve would be able to manage his attacks, and that even slightly holding back would arouse suspicion with SHIELD.

[u/Longshot1969 → u/1speedbike]

Hawkeye’s bow is a 125lb draw bow, he injured one of the Wrecking Crew in Secret Wars, and they all have natural body armor, to the point they shrug off bullets. Doubt a crossbow has similar penetrating power.

[u/TheNaiveSkeptic → u/1speedbike]

I agree with you, I just think that, sans shield, armour or a weapon of any kind random shit could happen, that’s the 0.1/10 chance imo

[u/[deleted] → u/TheNaiveSkeptic]

Why don’t you just make the scale out of 100?

[u/TheNaiveSkeptic → u/[deleted]]

You’re right, that would make sense

I guess because 1) because this sub usually uses /10 scale, so it’s just convention, and 2) I was originally going with nice 1/10 but changed my mind to a much smaller fraction & didn’t want to change the previous estimates I’d written down in tenths lol