r/whowouldwin • u/Historical_Ostrich • Aug 03 '25

Battle Which superheroes/villains would lose to a real world SWAT team if they were stripped of plot armor?

The SWAT team will employ real world tactics and resort to deadly force if necessary. Whoever they're facing off against has their standard gear and will resist to the best of their ability, but they don't get any of their standard plot armor.

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u/1Meter_long Aug 04 '25

Joker, Captain Murica, Punisher.

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u/Steven_Hunyady Aug 04 '25

Kind of want to doubt Cap. The man is superhuman and barely needs to eat or sleep, and has his shield. I think if he wanted to go into hiding he could keep himself from getting merc'd, but other than hiding there isn't much else he could do.

Punisher gets taken down by the FBI before SWAT ever steps in. The man is completely, and obviously unhinged.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 04 '25

Cap could steamroll a swat team he doesnt have to charge at them all at once hes smart enough to do ambush tactics and take them on one at a time

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u/RMidnight Aug 04 '25

This is a good question.

Captain America's a super soldier which makes him stronger and faster than his opponents.

It really boils down whether they can shoot him or not. If the bullets don't penetrate a suit, then he's only vulnerable on the lower face and eyes.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 04 '25

No it boils down to location.

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u/DatShantBeFalco Aug 04 '25

Cap can tank a fair amount of bullet shots and keep on going as long as it's not like in the face

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u/valdis812 Aug 04 '25

Frank might be able to take down a SWAT team. There was a run a while back when he had to take on a group of slavers who were Bosnian war vets. He managed to take them, but he had to take them one or two at a time.

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u/front-wipers-unite Aug 04 '25

"Bosnian war vets" so... A shop keeper or farmer with an AK basically. Being a vet of the Bosnian war doesn't make you some kind of expert.

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u/1Meter_long Aug 04 '25

Unless Cap's suit is bulletproof he should die. If Swat team is going there with intention to kill, they could manage to do it. Cap has fair odds of surviving, but he can't dodge bullets. It only takes one sniper to end him. Daredevil has better odds without plot armor, even though i'd claim Cap is superior. He can actually hear trigger pulls and has 180 range of awareness. He can tell if someone is behind corners or behind doors.

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u/Steven_Hunyady Aug 04 '25

I'd say this depends on entirely if Cap knows he's being hunted or not. If he's unaware, SWAT takes this a million miles from Sunday.

If he is aware, and not being a moron waiting around in a crowded city where every rooftop could house a sniper, I'd say he could escape.

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u/FallOutFan01 ​ Aug 04 '25

Also paging the following users u/RMidnight, u/Kgb725, u/DatShantBeFalco just for fun and purposes of discussion.

Steve after the battle of new york underwent modern combat training and tactical training.

Not confirmed but probably true.

But he probably trained at SHIELD’s campus academy of operations.

It's where agents go to get field training/weapon certification, training to become field agents, tactical agents like STRIKE or SHIELD specialists…..think Clint Barton, Black Widow.

We don't know what Steve’s suit is technically comprised of.

But scaling and comparison it is probably like Mike Peterson’s suit but with a plate carrier since Steve took an chitauri energy blast to the chest in AVENGERS one.

So probably silicon carbide, titanium carbide.

”It's not every day that Agents Fitz and Simmons get access to an individual with actual powers, so when the time came to outfit Mike Peterson, they pulled out all the stops. Made of a polymer blend with ten layers of treated composite materials, this sleek suit serves functions both tactical and diagnostic, monitoring vitals and providing state-of-the-art ballistic protection for agents, who, to no one's surprise, often find themselves in sticky situations." -Agent Coulson to Agent Ward[src]”

If I were to guess material composition, it’s actually probably similar but better to the protective suits made for Wilson Fisk and Leland Owlsley by Melvin Potter.

”What's this coated with?" "Polyethylene, glycol, silicate." ―Leland Owlsley and Melvin Potter[src]”

Polyethylene, glycol, silicate actually tells us specifically what those suits were and actually tells about its capabilities…..this stuff is real and interesting.

In civil war in Laos Steve gets hurled up by Wanda into the bio laboratory reception building and it’s filled with some kind noxious chemical gas.

Because one of the terrorist’s/goons working for Rumlow/Cross bones is wearing an NBC respirator mask.

Steve grabs the guy takes the mask off and the guy immediately goes limp.

So Steve might very well be immune or resistant to things like tear gas.

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u/Steven_Hunyady Aug 04 '25

Given that he's essentially Olympic level in every physical stat that would include lung capacity, toxicity tolerance, more efficient breakdown of toxins and waste, more efficient oxygen absorption, etc, probably

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u/FallOutFan01 ​ Aug 05 '25

I’d say he’s superhuman not olympic level.

Superhuman in that, no one else has received the same serum as him.

If other humans received the same serum as he did, then his classification would get knocked down a peg.

Because everyone’s baseline stats are superior to Steve’s pre project rebirth stats.

So if more people got his serum, he’d go from superhuman to peak human…if others got the same serum.

John Walker’s serum was a stealth variant of the serum.

This variant was created by reverse engineering Howard’s serum and combining it with traces of serum found in Isaiah Bradley‘s blood.

Isaiah Bradley‘s variant of serum/blood contained traces of something that was present in Erskine’s serum.

Or rather the US government by 1956 had squandered/wasted 11X blood samples out of 12 taken from Steve after Erskine died.

Howard had the last one but allowed it to be stolen by Jarvis and he gave it to Peggy and she said goodbye to Steve symbolically by pouring it into the New York river.

But somehow the US army during the Korean War managed to make a variant and gave it to Isaiah and it worked.

The stealth variant works like Howard’s did.

Makes you stronger but physically not as pronounced as Erskine’s serum.

The stealth variant just takes existing muscle mass and the bone density makes them denser.

Where’s Erskine’s takes existing muscle density and adds more of it as well as the other physical enhancements.

Went an little off track 😅.

But basically John Walker’s top physical feat is pulling that ESU’s lenco bearcat “MRAP” which was 17,550 lb (7,960 kg)plus passengers.

I’d say that the female flag smashers are significantly weaker than the men and by extension significantly weaker than Jessica Jones.

Hey sorry if I bored you and or went off topic, sometimes I get carried away 😂✌️.

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u/8dev8 Aug 04 '25

Cap literally can dodge bullets tho.