r/whowouldwin • u/Historical_Ostrich • Aug 03 '25

Battle Which superheroes/villains would lose to a real world SWAT team if they were stripped of plot armor?

The SWAT team will employ real world tactics and resort to deadly force if necessary. Whoever they're facing off against has their standard gear and will resist to the best of their ability, but they don't get any of their standard plot armor.

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u/WickardMochi Aug 04 '25

Heath ledger joker? How? Where did it say he has military training?

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u/tosser1579 Aug 04 '25

It is a fan theory, there are a few videos explaining it online but some of his behaviors are those that are common among people with military training. The gist is that he was a superb planner for operating requiring lots of people involving violence who well understood the inner mechanisms of government. That sort of thing isn't something you just pick up, so the quickest explanation is that he is former military.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think military training does him any good in this scenario. He's one guy against an entire team that also has military training.

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u/tosser1579 Aug 04 '25

That's irrelevant.

No one is arguing that this makes him somehow win, it just explains how he functions. He's likely to at least understand how bad of a situation this is and plan accordingly, hopefully avoiding the conflict as that will kill him. He's not going to fight his way out of the situation.

Basically if the Joker has to deal with competent police... he's going to react to them with a very well thought out plan whereas Ivy is just going to do her usual shtick and get shot.

I think this works as a deterrent to him more than anything, he still tries for the big stuff but he's much more circumspect about it and probably still gets shot because his plans have too many moving parts but the police would have to work at it rather than just pull an easy win.

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u/Spoon_Elemental ​ Aug 04 '25

whereas Ivy is just going to do her usual shtick and get shot.

If Ivy were competent in a real world situation she would just keep herself hidden while slowly taking over the city with her plants.

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u/tosser1579 Aug 04 '25

She has to expose herself in almost any of her schemes. Roundup exists, and far more potent plant removing toxins. She's not going to be successful, and she likewise tends to buy the most obscure exotic plants which the police would be able to track easily enough. Spotting a working greenhouse is something police do all the time, she'd look like a common drug grower. That shows up on a thermal cam.

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u/Yvaelle Aug 04 '25

Dude if comic book Ivy went all out she's fucking Plant Cthulhu, she's usually way depowered and pulling her punches.