Which superheroes/villains would lose to a real world SWAT team if they were stripped of plot armor?

[u/Historical_Ostrich]

The SWAT team will employ real world tactics and resort to deadly force if necessary. Whoever they're facing off against has their standard gear and will resist to the best of their ability, but they don't get any of their standard plot armor.

[u/Nihlus11]

Literally 80-90% of MCU heroes. Captain America, Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch, Shang Chi, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, all the Thunderbolts, every Wakandan who doesn't have a Black Panther suit, every Asgardian who isn't part of the royal family, all the Guardians (except Drax), all the Defenders (even Luke is OHKO'd by a shotgun), the list goes on. None of them are bulletproof and they are all constantly being hit by things that are much easier to avoid than bullets fired by a coordinated team. 

They only don't die every time someone with a gun is present because of a combination of favorable set-ups (e.g. they have surprise and back-up), their enemies textually not wanting them dead, and MCU goons being invariably terrible. Or, from another perspective, very generous and careful. I'm impressed by the discipline of those German policemen. With several seconds to react and their guns trained on their target, they take special care to both wait several more seconds as their enemies run into their gun barrles and then turn and place every bullet they fire right into Bucky and Steve's vibranium shields, even when said shields cover a minuscule portion of their silhouette. I especially appreciate how Mysterio, despite having many clean shots at Peter throughout the entire movie, always opened up with a non lethal strike like when he had his gun-armed drone blast Peter in the face with a concussive blast.

[u/sleeper_shark → u/Nihlus11]

Sorry Spider-Man ?

The dude who has a 6th sense for danger, who can literally dodge bullets with his eyes closed, who can easily lift and throw cars…

Scarlet Witch ?

The reality warper ? The one who in the comics could solo the avengers…?

Like in your other comment you’re talking about dudes like Mysterio almost landing hits on Spiderman but I think you’ve got the plot armor backwards. It’s Mysterio who had the plot armor there lol.

[u/Bediavad → u/sleeper_shark]

How does he dodge bullets? Does he have super-speed like neo?

AFAIK he uses precognition and superhuman reflexes.

So imagine you design a humanoid robot that climbs walls, jumps, shoots website etc.

And you give it a simulation of where any bullet lands in advance.

And then you spray it with full auto fire from 6 guns from close range.

Is there any maneuver the robot can do to evade being hit multiple times?

Spidey might survive multiple encounters by being stealthy and mobile enough, and keeping the initiative on his side. But if he finds himself in front of a barrage of bullets, probably from more then one direction - he dies.

[u/sleeper_shark → u/Bediavad]

Well his spider sense kicks in before the bullets are fired. He doesn’t move faster than the bullets, he moves faster than the hands that fire them.

The point is that it’s not plot armor because it’s a well established trait of his character that he can indeed at least dodge the hands the fire bullets.

But you’re right in that it’s not infallible. He’s been hit a couple of times… but he also has a powerful healing factor which makes him able to take getting shot a few times and walk it off.

To use your robot analogy, the robot would know where the bullets would land about a second in advance, and he’d just jump to the ceiling or to a spot where they won’t land.

If your SWAT team somehow enters a darkened house, it’s going to be really hard for them to position themselves in a way they could get the advantage on Spidey since his spidey sense is quite overpowered… it’s hard for him to fall into a trap since he can sense danger.

The only way I see them doing it is by leveraging his good character. If someone was in trouble, spidey would probably walk willingly into a trap… so maybe in this case you’re right. A SWAT team who has kidnapped May or MJ or Gwen might be able to take him down.

[u/BladeOfWoah → u/Bediavad]

Spider-Man's precognition is literally cosmic magic from the web of life and destiny.

If there IS a way for him to position his body so that he is not in any of the hail of bullets trajectory, he will find it. Of course he is not infallible, explosives tend to be able to tag him, but Spider-Man is definitely mobile enough that cornering him is near impossible.

If he web swings away, there is very little chance of swat teams being accurate enough to land a hit on him. Your only chance of tagging him while he is web swinging around New York is to snipe him from a vantage point or a chopper, which he has plenty of feats of being able to dodge.

[u/Kgb725 → u/Nihlus11]

We literally seen Spidey close his eyes and dodge hundreds if not thousands of bullets. Wanda has too much hax to ever be taken out by them

[u/Nihlus11 → u/Kgb725]

 We literally seen Spidey close his eyes and dodge hundreds if not thousands of bullets

We see him close his eyes and rejoice as drones miss him at point-blank range while he moves no faster than he does in any other scene.

 Wanda has too much hax to ever be taken out by them

She gets knocked around all the time with non-lethal weapons like War Machine's sonic cannon and Bruce's tackle. Hawkeye solo'd her with a taser.

[u/Kgb725 → u/Nihlus11]

He scales to the other 2 movie Spider-man characters so we know hes superfast even if its not presented as a blur

Youre saying that like she didnt get stronger since then. If strange couldve subdued her with a taser he wouldve

[u/Nihlus11 → u/Kgb725]

 He scales to 

I'm gonna take that as a concession that his feats don't measure up.

One of those Spider-Men was canonically beaten by a SWAT team that didn't want to kill him, by the way. The other got tossed around and tagged a bunch by a pro wrestler.

 so we know hes superfast

We can literally see with our eyes that this isn't true.

 If strange couldve subdued her with a taser he wouldve

Strange and co aren't particularly competent combatants. News at 11. He's another character who'd be screwed if MCU goons both used guns and went for the kill.

[u/Kgb725 → u/Nihlus11]

He was beaten when he was blinded and not even attacking them. He was untouchable until his back was turned and he got blindsided by a chair

And since when does visual representation which is for the audience equal to how fast they're actually going ?

What was the solution to beating a reality warper that no one else thought of that was right in front of them ? Last i checked Strange doesnt fight regular dudes with guns so what are you even talking about

[u/niallofthe9colleges → u/Nihlus11]

the sorcerer supreme who 1v1ed thanos with idk ~4 stones and survived isn’t a particularly competent combatant? come on, if wanda was still taser level she would have been tased by doctor strange lol

[u/Surrotten → u/Nihlus11]

Dude you cannot be serious about Scarlett Witch.. did you forget the scene where she escaped the mirror dimension or what ever it was

[u/ligma_sucker → u/Nihlus11]

dude, if a character is said to be capable of dodging bullets, has dodged bullets many many many times, and has the ability to literally sense danger, them dodging bullets isn’t plot armor. like spider-man dodges bullets in like every version of himself.

[u/ManeatingRaptora → u/Nihlus11]

Couldn't Wandavision and later era Scarlet Witch just have a reality warp radius several miles wide?

Anyone outside has no line of sight, and anyone or thing who goes inside gets turned into whatever she wants.

WAY out of the league of a SWAT team, their only chance would be if they caught her totally unawares, and if they give her even a second it's over.

[u/RoleSeparate6060 → u/Nihlus11]

scarlet witch has taged guys like thanos that could tag captain marvel that is ftl, spiderman has the spider sense and groot has healing and falcan has wings and shield of vibranium