r/whowouldwin • u/Historical_Ostrich • Aug 03 '25

Battle Which superheroes/villains would lose to a real world SWAT team if they were stripped of plot armor?

The SWAT team will employ real world tactics and resort to deadly force if necessary. Whoever they're facing off against has their standard gear and will resist to the best of their ability, but they don't get any of their standard plot armor.

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u/Nihlus11 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

Literally 80-90% of MCU heroes. Captain America, Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch, Shang Chi, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, all the Thunderbolts, every Wakandan who doesn't have a Black Panther suit, every Asgardian who isn't part of the royal family, all the Guardians (except Drax), all the Defenders (even Luke is OHKO'd by a shotgun), the list goes on. None of them are bulletproof and they are all constantly being hit by things that are much easier to avoid than bullets fired by a coordinated team. 

They only don't die every time someone with a gun is present because of a combination of favorable set-ups (e.g. they have surprise and back-up), their enemies textually not wanting them dead, and MCU goons being invariably terrible. Or, from another perspective, very generous and careful. I'm impressed by the discipline of those German policemen. With several seconds to react and their guns trained on their target, they take special care to both wait several more seconds as their enemies run into their gun barrles and then turn and place every bullet they fire right into Bucky and Steve's vibranium shields, even when said shields cover a minuscule portion of their silhouette. I especially appreciate how Mysterio, despite having many clean shots at Peter throughout the entire movie, always opened up with a non lethal strike like when he had his gun-armed drone blast Peter in the face with a concussive blast.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 04 '25

We literally seen Spidey close his eyes and dodge hundreds if not thousands of bullets. Wanda has too much hax to ever be taken out by them

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u/Nihlus11 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

 We literally seen Spidey close his eyes and dodge hundreds if not thousands of bullets

We see him close his eyes and rejoice as drones miss him at point-blank range while he moves no faster than he does in any other scene.

 Wanda has too much hax to ever be taken out by them

She gets knocked around all the time with non-lethal weapons like War Machine's sonic cannon and Bruce's tackle. Hawkeye solo'd her with a taser.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 04 '25

He scales to the other 2 movie Spider-man characters so we know hes superfast even if its not presented as a blur

Youre saying that like she didnt get stronger since then. If strange couldve subdued her with a taser he wouldve

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u/Nihlus11 Aug 04 '25

 He scales to 

I'm gonna take that as a concession that his feats don't measure up.

One of those Spider-Men was canonically beaten by a SWAT team that didn't want to kill him, by the way. The other got tossed around and tagged a bunch by a pro wrestler.

 so we know hes superfast

We can literally see with our eyes that this isn't true.

 If strange couldve subdued her with a taser he wouldve

Strange and co aren't particularly competent combatants. News at 11. He's another character who'd be screwed if MCU goons both used guns and went for the kill.

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u/Kgb725 Aug 04 '25

He was beaten when he was blinded and not even attacking them. He was untouchable until his back was turned and he got blindsided by a chair

And since when does visual representation which is for the audience equal to how fast they're actually going ?

What was the solution to beating a reality warper that no one else thought of that was right in front of them ? Last i checked Strange doesnt fight regular dudes with guns so what are you even talking about

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u/niallofthe9colleges Aug 04 '25

the sorcerer supreme who 1v1ed thanos with idk ~4 stones and survived isn’t a particularly competent combatant? come on, if wanda was still taser level she would have been tased by doctor strange lol

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u/Surrotten Aug 04 '25

Dude you cannot be serious about Scarlett Witch.. did you forget the scene where she escaped the mirror dimension or what ever it was

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u/ligma_sucker 28d ago

dude, if a character is said to be capable of dodging bullets, has dodged bullets many many many times, and has the ability to literally sense danger, them dodging bullets isn’t plot armor. like spider-man dodges bullets in like every version of himself.