r/whowouldwin • u/bignasty_20 • 1d ago
Battle 2 gentically gifted african male lions are given a steady amount of PED's, what is the largest predator they could take on in a fight and win?
The lions comes from a long lineage of healthy large males and from the moment they hit puberty they were given PED's and were unusually aggressive causing them to get into more fights and kill more animals and get bigger and stronger than they would've naturally. Both have racked up tons of experience in the year's hes been alive by either killing prey together or fighting other lion coalitions for territory control/mating rights and throwing down with one another from time to time
Both are in the prime of thier lives and suddenly thrown into a gladiator area to fight insert largest predator they can throw down with
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u/Toddwinstheinternet 1d ago
Maybe, possibly, my friend with a Bowie knife, and it not being a surprise attack...
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 1d ago
Living creature - tiger or alligator or crocodile or black bear (grizzly and polar bears would still kill them relatively easily)
Ever? Maybe something like a sauropod. They're huge dumb animals that the lions could likely outsmart and win with wits and quickness. Predator? Something like a Herrerasaurus.
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u/O-N-N-I-T 1d ago
Ever? Maybe something like a sauropod. They're huge dumb animals that the lions could likely outsmart and win with wits and quickness.
Yeah no way. The lions might be smarter but its not just gonna lie down and die or something. I doubt they could even do any meaningfull damage to most of these creatures.
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u/Kyro_Official_ 20h ago
2 lions arent doing jack shit to a sauropod lol. They'd get fucking mauled if they tried anything.
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u/John_Holdfast 18h ago
Large male grizzly i think. But it would probably kill one and maim the other permanently
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u/SnooWorlds 1d ago
They still wouldn’t become big enough to beat a bear, but a tiger is possible. So idk if much changes, they are already one of the largest predators on land
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u/bignasty_20 1d ago
It doesn't need to be predators alive today, it could be throughout history. I think 2 male lions in general would put a good beating on a 500-600lb grizzly though
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u/AonDorTheWell 1d ago
Grizzlies are usually double that,no? The Lions are around 500lbs I thought.
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u/bignasty_20 1d ago
Not really most grizzlys year round can average between 500-600lbs maybe 700 but get heavier in the winter obviously. While both bengal tigers and african lions are anywhere from 415-440lbs on average while tigers are usually on the higher end of the spectrum both cats overlap in weight a lot due to how their muscles are packed on differently. For example lions are built more in line like dogs with their humerous and forearm bone being similar lengths and shortened lumbar regions in their back, which is why they ground fight a lot even though other cats typically rear up and swing like boxers.
I feel like that could maybe be a advantage or disadvantage to the lions. They'd be familiar with the bears grappling style of fighting but that also means they are within his grappling range as well and a large coastal brown bear is much much heavier than a normal grizzly
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 1d ago
I doubt it.
Bears would be stronger and are built to fight larger animals, including other bears.
Lions are pack hunters and often scavenge their food instead of fight it down. They don't really fight other large predators at all.
My money is on the grizzly 99 out of 100.
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u/bignasty_20 1d ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20150920070330/http://lionguardians.org/lone-lion-kills-a-giraffe/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5109115/Lions-big-giraffe-against-odds-epic-fight.html
Check out these cool articles on teenage/sub adult lions fighting and killing bull giraffes, I also agree a bear has a solid chance of beating 2 lions but I think people underestimate just how large a genetically gifted lion would be. For example on average a male lion in the okovango delta (considered the physcially argest lion population) today would be far larger than your average siberian tiger today due (siberian tigers are much much smaller nowadays).
Im no expert but I assume these 2 lions especially on PED's would be close to if not over a healthy 500lbs.
But nonetheless I agree a very large coastal brown bear would make short work of these two kittys
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 1d ago
I don't even think it would take a "large" brown bear. Bears in general are used to fighting other bears. Lions don't fight any predators that size or anything with large strong claws. Bears also have thicker skin that is built to pull instead of rip and a heavy layer of fur.
Lions are going to have a bad time vs bears.
They could probably take the tiger though. It would be rough too because tigers are fast like the lions.
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u/Fastfalc222 1d ago
Male lions fight other male lions. They are used to fighting opponents with protection around their necks (mane). Your entire premise is wrong. Lions do fight other large predators (lions). But yes they would not know what to do with a bear and would lose.
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u/sh4tt3rai 1d ago
Male lions main purpose is to fight other male lions.. what the fuck are you talking about? The lions would win on exhaustion factor alone. The majority of animals don’t have anywhere near the cardio of humans. We are god tier compared to animals when it comes to physical things going on for extended periods of time..
Other animals do very well with short bursts of energy. They’re faster than us initially, but also fade much, much faster. They also have no sense of energy conservation what so ever. I think besides the team work completely exhausting the bear, you’re really sleeping on the physicality a male lion possess.
They would be the more agile, more athletic creature with sharper fangs, and sharper claws. Not to mention what those back claws do once they have a good grasp on you start to shred you. Lions also have tactics.. you will often see female lions killing bigger prey by covering its nose/mouth with their own mouth to suffocate it. Bears just start eating their prey alive, because it’s easier for them and they lack the reasoning to m target vital areas to get the kill.
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u/Roach27 22h ago
All the things you said are fine, until you realize the largest male Kodiak bears are 1500+lbs and insanely aggressive.
Regular male brown bears have killed adult male bison by themselves.
Kodiak bears are 50% bigger. They have loose skin and a protective layer of fat (neither which a lion has.)
A full powered strike from a grizzly paw (much smaller and weaker than a Kodiak bear) is enough to shatter a human femur twice over.
People underestimate bears because they rarely actually use their full strength.
A single swipe would be enough to seriously injure the lion. The bear could kill the lions with blunt force alone.
If you gave both lions the eyes and reaction speed of a house cat? Maybe, but lions aren’t nearly as quick or agile as house cats. (Nor is it physically possible for larger creatures to have reaction times that fast)
Any attack from the bear is going to disable the male lion. The lions will need to slowly bleed the bear out to kill it.
If the bear was a black bear? Sure as they could harass it into slowly killing it.
Brown bears (especially Kodiak bears) will just stand and fight.
Zero chance a lion kills a fully grown male Kodiak, and I’d argue a regular brown bear is too much.
Durability, strength and endurance all seriously outclass the lion, and the agility advantage is lessened by the fact lions don’t react as fast as something like a house cat.
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u/TypicallyNoctua 1d ago
I like tigers theyre pretty awesome therefore you're wrong 🖕 fuck you
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u/SnooWorlds 1d ago
yeah but i reckon a roided up lion would beat it. normal tiger beats normal lion though
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
Think how much stronger Captain America is compared to Eddie Hall.
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u/HallHappy 1d ago
what does that even mean? Eddie Hall is on PEDs. The lions arent being given a super soldier serum or anything like that
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
Eddie > Cap.
Lion > Steroidlion.
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u/HallHappy 1d ago
eddie is greater than cap?
lion is greater than steroid lion?ur not making sense fam.
in any case, if ur saying that Eddie vs Cap is like Lion vs Steroid Lion thats a poor analogy. More accurate would be to say natural strongman vs eddie hall, in which case the strength difference is nowhere Eddie vs Cap.9
u/JoMaximal 1d ago
Eddie Hall is on PEDs, Captain America is on a fictional substance that could make the lion the strongest animal in earth if the author wants it
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
Depends on the writer. He was equal to Batman. Which can bench 500k, same as Eddie Hall deadlift.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
A bench is harder than a deadlift.
And Batman was equal to Batman in terms of skill, not strength.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
That's what I said.
They were using their strenght.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
Not solely strength. Batman has beaten the likes of Bane and Killer Croc. Does that mean he's stronger? No.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
They were fighting on equal footing, and taking each other hits. Not outmaneuvering a much heavier, slower enemy.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago edited 1d ago
A T Rex, they are faster and can heckle their opponents.
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u/Notonfoodstamps 1d ago
There is zero two PED Lions could do to a 8-10 ton T. Rex other than be eaten.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
There is zero a T Rex can do to lions faster than cheetahs. T Rex dies of hunger worst case.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
What? A T-Rex can literally just fuck off and eat something else.
And what suggests these lions are faster than cheetahs? Hell, cheetahs are fast in, say, a straight line. But in terms of dodging and all that, they're baseline for felines.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
Higher than base for big dinos. They are in a arena. If T Rex hunts the Lions bite its ass literally.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
Higher than base for big dinos.
Not high enough to dodge like fucking UI Goku.
Lions regularly get gored by Cape buffalos. All the T-Rex needs to do is literally bite when the lions lunge
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
If they have your intelligence, which they do not. Lions don't lunge headfirst at rhino or hippo.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
They're not fighting a rhino. Look up how lions hunt giraffes. They literally lunge at them, leaping at the giraffe in which a T-Rex just bites. T-Rex don't need to have human intelligence, just the survival instincts they've got from millions of years ago.
Hell, they're as intelligent as the reptiles of today.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago
A T Rex is not a giraffe. It has jaws. Giraffes are weaker on the front. They cannot kick hard. Lions : 1.
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 1d ago
A T Rex is not a giraffe. It has jaws.
What? You think giraffes don't have jaws themselves? Lions also target the neck, that's literally their MO
Giraffes are weaker on the front.
Relevant how?
They cannot kick hard. Lions : 1.
Makes zero sense. The lions themselves wouldn't even be able to move as fast as regular lions due to the muscle mass
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u/Notonfoodstamps 1d ago
PEDS wouldn’t make a lion faster than a Cheetah because of anatomy.
Second T. Rex has an avian respiratory system which means it has more stamina than a Lion, which is a no-no in an arena setting where running isn’t an option.
They get eaten.
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u/Levardgus 1d ago edited 1d ago
It was slight exaggeration but it's reasonable in burst.
Second that's wank for a larger ton animal, and your kink. Same with chimpanzees oh so brutal. A T Rex can never gain more energy than it loses when the lion walks out.
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u/Notonfoodstamps 1d ago
It’s not reasonable in burst due once again to anatomy.
Cheetahs are as fast as they are because they’re only 70-150lb, have highly flexible spines and proportionally longer limbs which allows for a longer then normal stride. They can accelerate from 0-70mph in 3 seconds in 3-4 strides.
It’s not wank. They are in a gladiator arena, there is no “walking out”. A Lion is going to gas out before a T. Rex does under these circumstances
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u/Otherwise-Earth7047 4h ago
Polar bear. 2 male lions is very dangerous for any bear even without PEDs
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u/Notonfoodstamps 1d ago
Together, on land maybe a large Grizzly or Polar Bear.
They’d still get folded by a Hippo, Rhino, Elephant.