r/whowouldwin 20h ago

Battle Can the TOS Enterprise and its crew conquer Westeros and place Kirk on the Iron Throne, without killing anyone?

Some omnipotent space god or other, on a lark, has tasked the crew of the Enterprise to subjugate The Seven Kingdoms lest it destroy the Federation.

Victory is achieved when the leaders of the Great Houses swear an oath of vassalhood to James T Kirk while he sits upon the Iron Throne.

Can the Enterprise make that happen while not killing anyone?

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u/nik-cant-help-it 20h ago

Does transporting the icy boys to mars kill them?

Wide area stun beams are usable in the original series. Wasn’t there an episode where the planet was based on the 20’s gangsters & they stunned a whole block?

Stun a whole battlefield, have the leaders wake up to swords at their throats & offer them a simple choice, surrender or die.
If they say die, transport them north of the wall. Bean them up at the last second before they die. Repeat till they get the point.

Option 2 Give Arya Stark a phaser & circle back around in a week.

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u/CosineDanger 18h ago edited 18h ago

I would rule that White Walkers aren't legally people. It's okay to microwave them.

I would also rule that giving Arya a phaser still counts as killing people. It definitely would in the minds of a crew that until recently sort of believed in the prime directive.

The Enterprise has antibiotics - space magic that would instantly make it an economic powerhouse and a necessary ally just through trade. Capitalism usually indirectly kills a few people but such is life.

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u/FF3 20h ago

Personally, I think that this is a pretty standard midseason mission for the Enterprise Crew. The Westerosi are susceptible to the power of monologues, and Kirk is one of the best at it. He'll seduce both Daenerys AND Sansa, and they'll use the transporter to appear to be able to smote people with magic.

They'll stun a couple guards, Kirk will give his big speech, and that's, as they say, Captains Log.

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u/ILookLikeKristoff 20h ago

By force I doubt it, they could kill anyone but they're just too few and too foreign to hold the territory.

But they could definitely gain a cultural/technological victory if they were content playing the slow game. It would be trivial for them to teach one kingdom in particular how to refine better metals and advance to mass produced firearms in probably just a couple of decades.

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u/random1166 19h ago

not kill anyone seems a hard ask, westeros seems to be filled with the heroic types that would get themselves killed on principle. Possible if they can only kill in self defense, but not just shoot anyone they find inconvenient

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u/okopchak 17h ago

I need some clear definitions on no killing to make a judgement. If I kidnap a lord’s family using transporter technology and a local cult gets gutted by incompetent security out for vengeance does that count against me? Also what time scale are we talking about? Give me two years over modern Earth with a crewed constitution class vessel and I will have tens of millions of people treating me like a god. The commercial value of transportation and weather forecasts alone would put all the houses in my debt. Add the ability to detect mineral deposits, I am flush. If time is of the essence I think I would need the wiggle room of local experts handling some level of interaction. If Dorn swears loyalty,and the king sends an army towards Dorn, there is a chance my transporters and stunners are unable to remove sufficient leadership from the attacking army to ensure zero violence. For leadership of kingdoms I must remove a legitimate impedance to conquest would be where I could safely put those who did not bend the knee.

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u/Agreeable_Speed9355 16h ago

I forgot, can TOS transporters transport someone A to B without going to the pad? Or can a force field around the pad be initiated? It seems like a simple task to slowly move targets where you want them, and security with phasers to stun as a backup. Strategically, at least short term, NCC 1701 wins. If it comes to long-term politicking, I doubt even the enterprise has the fortitude to hold the iron throne for more than 2 or 3 episodes, much less indefinitely.

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u/Lonely-Entry-7206 16h ago

Unless they get reinforcements. I mean win means Federation is free now right?

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u/Agreeable_Speed9355 15h ago

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be a great endgame for the enterprise. There are countless class M planets to rule. Maybe a better question is how many GOT characters Kirk can bed before the shit hits the fan.

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u/Belle_TainSummer 12h ago

Beam up current occupant, beam down one Kirk.

Job done.

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u/Ravenwing14 5h ago

Trivial. For all appearances, teleporting some is vaporizing them more thoroughly than even dragon fire could.

Offer food and small tech advances to the biggest house. When they refuse, teleport them away to some holding area. As far as the primitives know, you vaporized them. Repeat until a house accepts. Repeat per region.

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u/greenskinMike 4h ago

Phasers can be set for stun. Easy victory for the crew of the Enterprise.

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u/defenestrate18 2h ago

What about the Dany's dragons? Are they going to tame them, contain them like the whales in Star Trek IV, or does killing them not break the rules?