r/whowouldwin • u/gamer73992 • 8h ago
Battle BJJ fighter vs bodybuilder
One is an 84 kg BJJ black belt male and the other is a 120 kg bodybuilder.
The fight takes place on the street. Only punches, kicks, strangulations, etc. are allowed. The first to knock out the other wins. Who wins?
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u/Bearennial 8h ago
Bodybuilding has nothing to do with fighting, it could even be a negative when you factor mobility and stamina issues that come with adding size.
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u/Paratrooper101x 8h ago
Adding size doesn’t decrease stamina, especially when the size you’re adding is lean muscle mass
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 8h ago
I feel like it depends on whether he does cardio or not. Obviously, more muscles mean more energy needed to fuel them. And bodybuilders aren't just lean. They're borderline bulky.
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u/Paratrooper101x 8h ago
Body builders do lots of cardio. Lack of stamina comes from lack of cardiovascular exercise.
I’m not saying his stamina or cardiovascular health will match that of a BJJ black belt, but it’s unfair to say they’re low stamina. A professional body builder will likely be exercising for several hours a day
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 8h ago
Body builders do lots of cardio. Lack of stamina comes from lack of cardiovascular exercise.
You're literally saying the same thing.
I’m not saying his stamina or cardiovascular health will match that of a BJJ black belt, but it’s unfair to say they’re low stamina. A professional body builder will likely be exercising for several hours a day
Strength training is anaerobic, while cardio is aerobic. While anaerobic exercises "may" build a little bit of stamina, it's not as applicable in the long run
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u/Paratrooper101x 8h ago
Well, the original poster said adding size reduces stamina. Which imo is a moronic take. So I’m trying to make the point as obvious as possible
Body builders do both strength training and cardio. Strength training to build and maintain their muscle mass and lots of cardio to assist in getting down their body fat percentages
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u/SnakeThatSawStuff 8h ago
Well, the original poster said adding size reduces stamina. Which imo is a moronic take. So I’m trying to make the point as obvious as possible
It's true and untrue at the same time. Two things can be correct
Body builders do both strength training and cardio. Strength training to build and maintain their muscle mass and lots of cardio to assist in getting down their body fat percentages
That's assuming they want to lean down. There are other bodybuilders that simply just want to bulk
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u/gustofwindddance 8h ago
Body Builders aren’t exactly going for that lean athletic build…
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u/Paratrooper101x 8h ago
Body builders also have to do loads of cardio on top of strength training. Lack of stamina comes from lack of cardiovascular training.
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u/Emreeezi69 8h ago
I felt my stamina decrease when I gained 30lbs during a bulk ngl. Just lazy and sluggish and if I did any cardio at all I tapped out pretty fast. Moving a barbell was np tho.
Meanwhile I’m down that 30lbs from a cut and I do hours of cardio easily hiking every day.
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u/Paratrooper101x 8h ago
My own experience is quite different. Two years ago I was 250 and today I’m weighing in at 205. My “stamina” has remained consistent throughout
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u/SpunkMonk87 8h ago
BJJ literally. It’s martial arts designed to level the playing field when someone is bigger than you.
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u/Kumptoffel 8h ago
what if theyre as big as eddie hall tho?
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u/Beneficial_Cloud_812 5h ago
Watch Mighty Mouse's fight against a bigger bjj expert. Grappling was specifically made to counter weight gap.
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u/Denpants 8h ago
BJJ black belt takes this 9/10 times. Things like guillotine chokes or ankle locks have no counter unless you also know bjj. Most people cannot perform a rear naked choke correctly, at least to full efficiency
1/10 because street fights have no rules and raw, animalistic strength is always a threat, no matter how prepared you are.
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u/Particular-Lynx-2586 8h ago
Can we all remove bodybuilders and strongmen from these vs matches? They cannot fight. They do not know anything about fighting. Big muscles don't make you a fighter.
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u/MidlifeWarlord 7h ago edited 7h ago
High end strongmen are a different story than your typical bodybuilder.
I’m an average sized BJJ brown belt. I think Eddie, Brian, or Hafthor beat me more often than not.
Edit - found a video to make my point.
Here you go: https://youtu.be/9pSGVzW9S10
Yeah, most BJJ black belts are definitely losing this if Brian is doing this to Dustin Poirier.
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u/xxam925 7h ago
“PHD mathematician vs A list actor in a Math Bowl, no calculators. Who would win”?
As a bodybuilder I’ll confirm that BJJ takes your question 10/10. You said BLACK BELT? Zero chance for the bodybuilder.
Now: BJJ black belt vs Bodybuilder in a math bowl. Who wins?
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u/AurelianoBuendia94 3h ago
BJJ no diffs. chronic use of steroids makes you'd dumber, also not good at handling pressure without snapping.
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u/TheAdventOfTruth 7h ago
Here’s another way to phrase this question that would answer any who would win between two people.
Who would win, a person with fighting experience or a person with no fighting experience.
The person with significant fighting experience will beat the person with no significant fighting experience pretty much every time unless, by luck, the inexperienced person gets a lucky shot.
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u/Happyranger265 7h ago
A bbj person if needed , can snap someones ankles , bones, remove them from sockets and twist in ways they shouldn't be twisted in an instant , it's not funny . All those muscles and weight really ain't gonna help , when you're walking a second , then limping after another , it's already over , since they can just go for the next bones to snap in an instant, even if you can grab them and try to lift them , they ain't a stationary dumbell , all that force is gonna be converted to guess what? break something . Look at ryan hall highlights in ufc ,he is a pure bjj guy and how quickly he grabs those legs and puts them into locks , it's really ain't a fun injury to have even among mma fighters who get injured all the time
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u/Scary_Dog_8940 5h ago
body builders train for looks over function. power lifters and strongmen would destroy them.
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u/ZonyIsFat 8h ago
BJJ black belt clears with minimal difficulty 100/10 times. If you have never rolled with a truly proficient grappler, give it a shot. It’ll change your life. Punchers have a punchers chance but grappling is mathematical—if a black belt gets his paws on you and you don’t know what to do, that’s a wrap.