r/whowouldwin • u/mrcelophane ​ • Jul 03 '15

Interactive Character Scramble IV Round 1A Results

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Here are the results! Round 1B coming soon!

For the uninitiated, the results are in the pairings.

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u/noitnemid ​ Jul 03 '15

GG, /u/shinyskarmory.

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u/shinyskarmory ​ Jul 04 '15

gg, I guess people weren't a fan of me trying to avoid combat.

I'm actually pretty salty about it because the necessary information on Rex Salazar's abilities (he needs physical contact) wasn't readily available at all and totally ruined one of my options. On top of that, Rex's wiki page said he sucked in combat, and I also had Lelouch who himself sucks in combat.

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u/KiwiArms ​ Jul 04 '15

You shoulda come to me, bruh. As the only Generator Rex fan who exists, I'm like an encyclopedia on Rex.

He doesn't suck in combat, for instance. in fact, it's his favorite thing in the world. He sucks at following orders, is the problem.

Sucks that you got eliminated, I was hopin to go up against Rex.

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u/shinyskarmory ​ Jul 04 '15

I had no way of knowing that you were someone I could ask, someone different submitted Rex to me :P

The problem with submitting characters with really complex skillsets (Rex is one but I'm arguably guilty of this as well with Black Hat Guy) is that without basically a full respect thread detailing the various uses and limitations of their abilities, you're fucked. Anyone who got Rex and was unfamiliar with the source material would have made the same mistake.

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u/KiwiArms ​ Jul 04 '15

Eh, tru nuff, but his powers ain't really that complex. They're "ability to build a specific set of machines from his body" and "can talk to other machines".

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u/shinyskarmory ​ Jul 04 '15

I made exactly those two assumptions and lost because of it.

For machine creation: What set of machines? How big can they be? How long does it take? Do they have to be functional or can they just be a very large hammer?

For machine control: How long does it take? Are there any range limits? Can you only control/repair electronics or will any machinery do? Do things like ordinary hammers fall under machinery? How about guns?

That's the problem. Rex's abilities are simple, true, but they create a TON of questions that need to be answered in order to effectively use him in a whowouldwin battle. Without all of those answers, you're just sitting there wondering "is this thing I need my character to do to win actually something he can do, or is it not covered by this incredibly vague description of his abilities?"

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u/KiwiArms ​ Jul 04 '15

For machine creation: What set of machines? How big can they be? How long does it take? Do they have to be functional or can they just be a very large hammer?

Did you really check the wiki? Cuz there is a whole list of the things he's capable of making right here.

He's got a sword, cannon, hovercycle, forcefield shields, and lots more. He can't use more than two at once, though.

For machine control: How long does it take? Are there any range limits? Can you only control/repair electronics or will any machinery do? Do things like ordinary hammers fall under machinery? How about guns?

It's instantaneous. The range is never really explained, and its implied to be limitless so long as it's all connected, such as when he tapped into the entirety of the Providence Base (an enormous building). Meaning, if there's a way he can extend his "reach" to something, he can tap into it. (Like, he can't touch/talk to a washing machine from thirty feet away, but he can touch, say, a telephone, go through its circuits to the washing machine, and then access it.)

He can also use it to instantly figure out how a machine works once he's interfaced with it. He can't really fix machines with it though, unless it's a problem with the programming or something. It's only technological things, too. He can't talk to a hammer or something... unless it's like, a super high tech hammer.

No traditional guns have ever been seen in the show, but considering they lack any form of electricity I'mma say he can't talk to guns. He's durable enough to survive a few gunshots, tho. Healing factor.

That's the problem. Rex's abilities are simple, true, but they create a TON of questions that need to be answered in order to effectively use him in a whowouldwin battle. Without all of those answers, you're just sitting there wondering "is this thing I need my character to do to win actually something he can do, or is it not covered by this incredibly vague description of his abilities?"

Pretty much the entirety of the stuff I just explained could be found by, like, reading through his page on the Generator Rex wiki.

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u/shinyskarmory ​ Jul 04 '15

In the machine control category, very few of the things you listed were mentioned, actually. Here's the section of the wiki I saw:

Technopathy: Rex is capable of using his nanites to interface with technology, allowing him to communicate with and control it. For example, he first demonstrated this ability to escape the confines of The Keep.[13] Said in his own words, he can "hear them". This can also backfire; hearing too many voices at once will overwhelm Rex and eventually cause him to lose consciousness.[7] After regaining his powers, his technopathic capabilities grew stronger, as shown when he took control of the entire Providence base to disarm hidden bombs.[14] It is shown that Rex's enhanced technopathic capabilities can also allow him to reprogram machines.[15] It has also been proven that Rex can understand the features of a machine once communicating with it. In particular, when Rex used his technopathic abilities on Branden Moses's machine that was claimed to cure EVOs, Rex said he got an understanding that the machine "only lights up and goes ping".[16] His technopathic abilities also enable him to disable Providence's control collars, however, they explode after the process.

I'll give you the "only controlling electronics" thing, but the wiki says nothing about how fast he can take control of/communicate with machines OR the range he can initiate communication from. A lot of the stuff you mentioned I eventually found, but I had to SIGNIFICANTLY read between the lines in order to reach the conclusions you had. 99% of the time, wiki pages are simply not clear enough for WWW battles.

You have to remember that not everyone has seen every show out there, and that the more obscure your character and the show's environment is, the more likely it is that people will need help understanding a character's abilities.

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u/KiwiArms ​ Jul 04 '15

In the machine control category, very few of the things you listed were mentioned, actually.

The page I linked had all of them, and that page was linked to on his wiki page.

And I get it man, I'm just sayin ya gotta go in deep when diggin' up info for the Scramble. Maybe watch an episode or two.