r/whowouldwin May 03 '17

Special [Death Battle #72] Natsu Vs. Ace

Round 1: Ace vs. Natsu

As per rules of Death Battle, theyre both going for the kill

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u/LittleMann May 03 '17

Despite the hosts trying to present this as a fairly close fight, I think that turned out worse than Venom vs. Bane in terms of stompiness. I was expecting Natsu to straight up eat Ace, but what actually happened at the end was less humiliating but a lot more painful.

The animation for this episode was pretty good and I liked the more detailed shots that appeared sporadically throughout the fight. I also really enjoyed Natsu and Ace's baffled reactions to each other's abilities. The next episode seems to be more of a closer call, and I'm hoping Sub-Zero takes the win over Glacius.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ May 03 '17

Glacius and Sub Zero isn't really close, there like no feats for the KI universe

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 03 '17

and this is the FOURTH KI battle.

Why? is it some sort of massive franchise and no one has told me?

why not use a character from Warcraft or Star Trek or Bleach or JoJo of any of the huge untapped IPs they haven't used.

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u/8fenristhewolf8 May 03 '17

why not use a character from Warcraft or Star Trek or Bleach or JoJo of any of the huge untapped IPs they haven't used.

Maybe it takes too much work for them? Rabid fan bases would react badly if they screwed it up? I guess that kind of already happens a bit..

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u/SpawnTheTerminator May 03 '17

Rabid fan bases would react badly if they screwed it up?

I thought ScrewAttack wanted that to happen.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 03 '17

I mean, unless they actually fear someone visiting them and trying to murder them...don't they want fanbases to go rabid and create buzz?

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u/8fenristhewolf8 May 03 '17

Good point. Maybe the difference is between putting out a decently researched, but divisive opinion as opposed to a totally half-assed opinion? I can see the prior garnering attention. Maybe the latter would just cause people to tune out. Just speculating though. I guess they did a DB with Zoro from One Piece. That's a big massive franchise right?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

One piece is the best selling single comic run in history, so yeah, big fan base

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u/Mercerai May 03 '17

You see how seriously people take these (for some reason), it's basically impossible to make one of these without pissing a lot of people off anyway

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u/hashcheckin May 03 '17

KI has a surprisingly large fanbase, but its Xbox exclusivity means it's a relatively quiet one.

also, more crucially, if you listen to the Death Battle podcast, they're all big KI fans, especially Torian.

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u/CommanderPhoenix May 03 '17

JoJo

Dude, I'd LOVE to see them do a fight that uses Pet Shop. He was literally the best part of Stardust Crusaders.

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u/whoandwhataami May 04 '17

Who the hell could he fight?

Delibird?

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u/F0RGERY May 07 '17

Nah, you gotta have exact opposites for that fight. Pet Shop versus Phoenix Force.

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u/polaristar Jul 22 '17

How about Dio vs Hisoka?

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u/Neosonic97 May 04 '17

I was wondering why you said 4 then I remembered Season 1 had a KI fight as well.

Yoshi vs Riptor, Ivy vs Orchid and Sektor vs Fulgore are the three so far. What is aggravating (at least to me) is that it's the second Killer Instinct vs Mortal Kombat fight, and also lowers the chances of seeing THE STRONGEST enter Death Battle by removing one of her potential opponents (Even though Sub-Zero vs Cirno isn't very fair either as Cirno stomps).

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u/polaristar Jul 22 '17

Probably because it's easy to do animation for fighting games....they can act as "filler"

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u/SanjiSasuke May 03 '17

Yeah, and on DB no feats = make bullshit up and use physics selectively to scale to victory.

Or the oh so accurate "Sub-Zero has more losses than Glacius in his universe. So Sub-Zero is weaker."

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u/Extreme-Tactician May 04 '17

I wanna know, when did these happen?

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u/SanjiSasuke May 04 '17

The ones that stick out to me are times with fighting game characters. If I recall right Sektor vs Fulgore, Sonya vs Cammy and Dante vs Bayonetta. Possibly Ryu vs Scorpion and Black Orchid vs Ivy as well, but it has been awhile. Some of them would probably end up the same way, but the reasoning gets really iffy with characters mostly from video games..

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u/xtra_ore May 04 '17

Don't forget Yang vs Tifa where they completely ignored Yang getting one-hour KO'd, her creator stating her semblance acts like a fighting game's special meter (not the no-limits fallacy, ever-increasing, all-around power up they used), using a completely incorrect calc for her concrete pillar fear (used the vertical force needed to break a concrete pillar instead of the horizontal force, plus the pillar used had metal bars that massively increases the vertical force needed to do so), and Word of God on having problems with people who use their feet to fight (Tifa fights with a lot of kicks and feints) while for Tifa they ignored Word of God on Advent Children having the gang (outside of Cloud at the end) being weaker then they were against Sephiroth so they used the movie as her limit despite saying they'd take fighters at their peak, discounted Tifa tossing Cloud to break the sound barrier because she had help despite the fact she was in mid-air (so no support) for the final push, and refused to take her suplexing seriously do to "lol RPG mechanics" or any sort of scaling from any of of the games.

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u/SanjiSasuke May 04 '17

used the vertical force needed to break a concrete pillar instead of the horizontal force, plus the pillar used had metal bars that massively increases the vertical force needed to do so

If you mean they used the compressive strength of concrete when the tensile strength should have been used (I don't remember the analysis itself), as someone with a Civil Engineering background I'm super triggered. That's a factor of ten in difference. Though understandable, if you are just doing envelope calcs for a show.

And yeah that whole fight I was like "Well, I love Yang so...cool! But uh...I'm not so sure..." I don't know FF well, though so I'm not the best judge.

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u/xtra_ore May 04 '17

If you mean they used the compressive strength of concrete when the tensile strength should have been used

Yup, that's exactly it. Someone (they said they worked with concrete, I believe it was another civil engineer) posted a complaint in the WWW thread about it. Plus they used rebar concrete so the tensile strength would've been even lower as the RWBY pillar was pure concrete.

To summarize the fight in my own words, they looked at Yang in the best light possible while looking at Tifa in the worst light they could and then misinterpreted her Semblance (nothing at the point in time it was made gave her a defensive boost like they said it did and they gave it a NLF) to net her the win. While FFVII is an old fashioned RPG, making its scaling and feats extremely questionable, it has several recent additions to scale to outside of the original game and there are crossovers like Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts (non-canon tbf) to show another interpretation of the character.

I really like both characters as I just love female brawlers for whatever reason. Plus Yang is basically a homage to Tifa, one of Mounty's favorite characters, as they're both busty, long haired brawlers and Yang's Semblance is pretty reminiscent of Tifa's Final Heaven with all the fire going on.

I'm not upset with Yang winning, but with Death Battle's misinterpretation of the characters plus doing such a match up when RWBY barely had any content and just after VII's remake was announced.

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u/Extreme-Tactician May 06 '17

Sektor Vs Fulgore had Sektor lose because Fulgore won against someone who killed a demigod, while Sektor never beat the one opponent he's always matched up against.

Cammy Vs Sonya had Cammy lose because Sonya had way more experience than Cammy. Nothing about losses there.

Dante Vs Bayonetta doesn't have either of those problems.

Ryu Vs Scorpion had Scorpion win because he could just teleport to the Netherrealm and have an advantage there.

Ivy Vs Orchid had Ivy losing because she has a spotty win record, but also because Orchid won against someone who could beat armies.

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u/ThrashThunder May 03 '17

KI has story mode AND comics tho.

And besides I can already tell you that the stomp will be on KI side. Killer Instinct characters are HUGELY overpowered compared to Mortal Kombat characters

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ May 03 '17

So do MK, the comics on KI side don't have much of actual feats. I haven't played the new KI story, so I may have missed the only actual feats

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u/The_Green_Filter May 04 '17

There was also written KI story stuff not long ago.