I mean...if Ace turns to fire what's to say Natsu can't just straight up eat him? There's been no fire Natsu couldn't eat in FT yet, he sometimes even eats shit that's not fire. Although I guess it'd be kinda weird to consider whether Ace could survive getting eaten by Natsu, it seems like Natsu can convert fire into magic energy to power up though so it seems unlikely. IMO this match up is just a really bad choice by DB. There are much more interesting fights from OP vs FT.
I generally hate fights with logias because even if their enemy is stronger it's often just a stalemate because theyre really hard to kill, but this is kind of just a case where Ace's abilities are directly countered.
Ok but if he's human than Natsu can hurt him...it's a matter of time before he messes up timing on his transformations between dodging and not getting eaten, and he has literally no way to hurt Natsu, any time he throws an attack he just makes Natsu stronger. Plus if he gets partially eaten as fire what happens? Does he lose limbs upon reforming or nothing happens?
He likely won't mess up his timing, but that wasn't what I was replying too. And before you argue fatigue, Ace was able to fight for multiple days. He can also do partial transformations like the one he uses to dodge bullets.
Nothing happens if he's partially eaten. He can fully reform as long as any of his flame is there or generate more.
At best it's a stalemate, Ace has to basically beat Natsu with pure physical attacks, if he uses fire Natsu will just eat it and get stronger. If he's trying to rely on physical attacks, something he doesn't usually do, and Natsu has superior speed, eventually Natsu gets a good counter and hits him. Logias don't turn intangible automatically, they still need to react. That's what I was getting at.
And while Ace might have good endurance, Natsu gets constant free sustain from Ace's fire and his endurance is basically infinite in this fight unless Ace stops using fire altogether, in which case Natsu could just again, blast his tangible body.
In the very best case for Ace it's a stalemate if Natsu has no possible way past logia intangibility.
Yeah, I've commented on this fight before and have stated it's a statement.
I believe the most likely ending (if a winner has to be determined) comes from Natsu collapsing from exhaustion as the mental/physical strain of staying up fighting for multiple days will get to him.
Yes, Natsu does get energy from flames, but he has to eat them. He's been hit by them before without eating them. So Ace going intangible or using them isn't an instant free sustain. Ace can go up and hit Natsu when he tried eating flames to prevent him from doing so.
Ace is able to react quickly enough to turn specific parts of his body into fire that were hit by bullets. He does the same while handing a letter to a girl while getting shot at from multiple angles. A single comedy scene from Alabasta is the only feat of not turning into flames right away, and was not in a battle situation.
AFAIK Natsu can't be hurt by most fire, could be wrong cause I haven't read FT for a while, but the only time he gets hurt by fire is when it's god slayer fire, similar to how Akainu can hurt Ace cause magma > fire (actually if you take Akainu's words to be literal, Natsu's fire is way hotter than Ace's as he can melt stone and has more heat/is a higher level by being dragon fire, so it's possible that he can even hurt Ace through logia intangibility), Zancrow can burn Natsu because god slayer > dragon slayer.
Ace's fire though is pretty much just regular fire, there's no reason to believe he could hurt Natsu with it at all.
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u/TheEmaculateSpork May 03 '17 edited May 03 '17
I mean...if Ace turns to fire what's to say Natsu can't just straight up eat him? There's been no fire Natsu couldn't eat in FT yet, he sometimes even eats shit that's not fire. Although I guess it'd be kinda weird to consider whether Ace could survive getting eaten by Natsu, it seems like Natsu can convert fire into magic energy to power up though so it seems unlikely. IMO this match up is just a really bad choice by DB. There are much more interesting fights from OP vs FT.
I generally hate fights with logias because even if their enemy is stronger it's often just a stalemate because theyre really hard to kill, but this is kind of just a case where Ace's abilities are directly countered.