Sure, we were all expecting "Natsu eats Ace", but realistically, other than speed and fire eating, does Natsu actually have anything on Ace?
Because Ace puts out much larger devastation, is completely immune to any of Natsu's actual attacks, and can fight for literal days against a Haki-powered water user, who should basically be his Kryptonite.
Natsu's fire feats are actually way more impressive than Ace's. After the timeskip, power levels go stupid (not sensible like One Piece timeskip) and Natsu just out of nowhere becomes literally one of the top 5 strongest characters, one shotting everyone he fights except Zeref. He evaporated a lake just by charging up an attack against an enemy nearby. There are several ways Natsu can hurt Ace:
Natsu is immune to fire and can nullify it. He can also physically grab fire like an object. Whether grabbing fire = being able to hurt it is up for debate, but Natsu is not able to be damaged by fire unless it is God slayer fire (which doesn't exist in OP) or his own fire. DF's can be hurt by their "weakness" which can nullify them, such as rubber vs Enel, or water vs Croc. Whether fire DS vs fire counts is up for debate since obviously a Dragon Slayer has never fought a Logia before.
Being hotter than Ace. Natsu can both melt a stone colosseum and evaporate a lake nearby (not making contact) with his fiery aura alone. Akainu was able to damage Ace by simply being hotter than his fire. Natsu also has lightning which is many times hotter than fire.
Natsu is immune to most fire, but not physicals. Ace is immune to fire AND physicals, as long as his Logia intangibility isn't counteracted. Ace also has much better stamina with just the five days v Jinbei feat alone.
Akainu didn't burn Ace solely because he was hotter, he burned Ace because Ace let his Logia intangibility down, because was in "motherfuckerwhatdidyousayaboutwhitebeard?" mode. Ace thought he was immune to all burning and he'd had enough of Akainu's shit. And then later so he could block for Luffy.
Natsu wouldn't ever get Ace in that headspace, and Ace definitely wouldn't lower his intangibility in the face of lightning. So it really shouldn't matter.
True, but Ace's physicals are shit, since he relies solely on his devil fruit unlike Sabo. This is shown in his fight vs Blackbeard where he is rekt after Blackbeard's gravity nullifies his powers.
It was unclear, but I interpreted that way because Akainu said "my magma can even burn fire" which sorta implied that "stronger" things can go through logia intangibility. But I dunno. You may be right though, I haven't watched that episode in a while.
I don't think this really becomes a battle of attrition though. Even if Natsu has nothing that can hurt Ace, which imo is unlikely, Natsu's damage output and power level is so far above Ace that Ace can't really hurt him with fire or with punches. At the very least it just becomes a stalemate. Sabo would make quick work of Natsu, but Ace is a shitty matchup.
Dismissing his physicals based on Blackbeard whopping his ass seems unfair. Blackbeard was strong to harm Shanks, a Yonko, before he even had a devil fruit.
Obviously Ace has good physicals, but they are garbage in comparison to other characters of his power level. My point was that Ace's fire abilities >>> his physicals and that he over-relies on his devil fruit, and after Blackbeard removed that ability, he was screwed. For example, he had a very close arm wrestle with Alabasta Luffy. Of course Luffy isn't weak by any means, but this is a Whitebeard 2nd Division Commander vs a rookie who just got out of the East Blue. If you removed Ace's DF abilities he becomes many many times weaker
In fairness, Luffy was recovering from a sucking chest wound and being mummified,
while poisoned and bleeding out at the time... AND his punch was slowed by Croc's Espada.
True, by no means am I discounting early Luffy's insane strength. I'm just saying that it's nowhere near the top tiers of One Piece or Fairy Tail. Ace's strength being roughly in the same ballpark isn't nearly enough to pose a threat to Natsu. Neither is his fire. Of course we are comparing a series protagonist who is for some dumb reason one of the most overpowered characters in the series (Natsu) to a character who dies pre-timeskip in a show with more sensible powerscaling (Ace), but the point is that at best it'd be a stalemate if Natsu really has no way of harming Ace. Sabo, on the other hand, would probably destroy Natsu, though he's even more featless than Ace.
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u/Kalean May 03 '17
Sure, we were all expecting "Natsu eats Ace", but realistically, other than speed and fire eating, does Natsu actually have anything on Ace?
Because Ace puts out much larger devastation, is completely immune to any of Natsu's actual attacks, and can fight for literal days against a Haki-powered water user, who should basically be his Kryptonite.