I dislike how Death Battle choses iconic matchups over close matchups. I mean, Ace is the obvious choice, but he stood no chance from the start. Sabo would've been a much better choice. Especially because Sabo can actually fight (very well too) without relying on his devil fruit. I think Sabo could take a win too. But certainly not Ace.
True, but it depends on if Gray can actually hit Ace or not.
If Gray can't bypass Logia intangibility, it's a stomp for Ace. Gray can deflect Ace's attacks for a while, but his endurance feats are not nearly as good as Ace's, and he'll run out of magic sometime. His only way to beat Ace would be to use Iced Shell, but that would be really OOC, and it would only result in a draw.
Here's an interesting interaction though: Ace has a devil fruit, an incarnation of the sea devil. Gray is a devil slayer which makes him specialized for fighting devils/demons and their abilities. One Piece and Fairy Tail devils probably don't work the same way, but what if Gray's powers let him bypass logia intangibility, like a natural weakness, sea stone, or haki? In that case I'd give the edge to Gray, mainly because Ace is not used to taking damage at all, and that unlike Dragon Slayer magic, Devil Slayer magic seems to gain a huge effectiveness multiplier against demons, which is evident when Gray destroyed Mard Geer, a devil who casually tanked Natsu's Dragon Force and was tossing Natsu around effortlessly. Also, gray fought on par with END Natsu, so by powerscaling that makes him pretty monstrous.
So if Gray can't hit Ace, it's an easy win for Ace, but if he can hit Ace through that weird interaction, then probably a win for Gray
Which actually would have made Grey winning make sense feat wise. He froze fire and Ace's fire wasn't shown to melt Aokiji's ice (to be fair to Ace, doing so would have screwed himself over from destroying his footing).
Plus the thematic element of fire vs ice is an iconic match-up, allowing them to save Natsu for Sabo when he gets more feats, or even Kuzan or Akainu too.
Instead they used an argument without any proof (getting hurt by lightning) and wasted a popular series' MC against someone with a paltry amount of feats.
The fan blog actually went over this in detail. Fire is a good conductor of electricity due to the plasma it produces. As this is the case, and one of the primary weaknesses of Logias is that you can utilize its physical properties to bypass the intangibility, it actually does make sense that Natsu's lightning attacks should be able to hurt Ace through his Logia Intangibility, utilizing the conductive properties of fire to hurt Ace's true body within the flames. In essence, it's a bit of the same concept as the way Luffy beat Crocodile. Luffy solidified Crocodile by dousing him, causing his sand body to stick together. In this same vein, Natsu utilized the conductive properties of flame to bypass Ace's intangibility, with the electricity harming Ace regardless of his flame form.
Ok. This clears some stuff up I asked you in your other reply, but doesnt prove how conducting electricity gets past Ace's intangibility. Croc was specifically weak to liquids.
People often say that Ace's true body is not his flames but that his body is flames. If this is the case, then while it means that while MOST of Natsu's attacks should not be able to hit Ace within his intangbility, since Ace is technically flames while in his intangible form, the electricity SHOULD be able to reach him assuming he touches a portion of the element that is connected to where Ace's true body should be. At the very least, while being in his intangible form WILL stop the fire portion of the attack from harming him, there is still the electricity to be worried about.
Ok I finally had time to go through it and basically it relies on a ton of scientific ideas and theories that are heavily debatable. Also, their "expert" on logias had no fucking clue what he was talking about on Croc or Enel.
That's a NASA FAQ (may be dated) where they answer the question of "Is fire a plasma?" by saying no as the flame in their experiment did not conduct any electricity.
Then you get into the weird debate of fire being a plasma or not and whether or not fire conducts electricity too. To both, the answer basically boils down to maybe (????). Also, any combination of yes and no (except being a plasma and not conducting electricity as not conducting electricity would mean it isn't a plasma) is possible.
If fire is thought of as plasma, then it would conduct electricity. However, under the same line of thought of having fire be plasma, you'd also have to believe lightning as plasma too, making Natsu's lightning form going past Ace's intangibility the same as saying fire could do so.
Now if you go with fire conducting electricity, but not being plasma, you're forced to recognize not all fire conducts electricity, meaning you can't prove Natsu's lightning form will hurt Ace due to selective conditions you'd have to enforce on Ace's fire. The "proof" of fire conducting electricity is reliant on specific conditions, usually the fire being dopped like propane.
Finally, nothing they've posted proved lightning would hurt Ace through his intangibility. Basically, they make a fuck ton of assumptions here.
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u/Fluttertree321 May 03 '17
I dislike how Death Battle choses iconic matchups over close matchups. I mean, Ace is the obvious choice, but he stood no chance from the start. Sabo would've been a much better choice. Especially because Sabo can actually fight (very well too) without relying on his devil fruit. I think Sabo could take a win too. But certainly not Ace.