r/whowouldwin • u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ • Dec 20 '17

Special [Death Battle]Sephiroth vs Vergil

Vergil Respect Thread by me

Sephiroth Respect Thread by /u/ShadowSphere

Round 1: Regular Versions

Round 2: Nelo Angelo vs Whatever Peak Sephiroth is.

As per rules of Death Battle, they're both going for the kill

https://youtu.be/8sdzSDKquiY

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

It isn't there, the raindrop scene is completely removed.

Intro

Chapter 7

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

I'm saying the intro is condensed version of what happened in the boss fight. And if you really want to show that it is retconned then take it up to Capcom and ask if that Intro is retconned.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

I literally showed you it was retconned, you are just trying to make excuses to keep it in.

It is not in the main game, I'd love to take it as canon, but it isn't by Capcom themselves retconning it.

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

I told you the intro was the condensed version of things. It has things cut in place. The obvious clashing aka the raindrop scene in the intro signified player vs vergil in the boss fight.

The intro still adheres to the what happened in the boss fight it just missing some talking. There is no retcon.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

If this scene is "cut", altars scenes, changes sequences of events, guess what: It isn't canon.

The one with all the talking, full sequence of events, and all that jazz is the canon one.

You're admitting it is different, yet claiming it is still valid. Why should I take the abridged version as fact, when there's canon one? Cause there's a feat that's good?

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

The whole purpose of that Intro was to surmise what was happening in the game. Of course stuff is gonna get cut because it is the intro.

It is not abridged. You can take that fact that the intro represents the condensed version of the fight.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

Surmise

Yes, it was to tell the player what was happening. Not the actual damn events taking place, which is why Lady was narrating the whole ordeal.

In your defense of it not being abridged, you used the very definition of the word. "shorten (a book, movie, speech, or other text) without losing the sense"

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

Lady was narrating how the fight played and obviously cut out the other extra stuff.

Yeah I was think about the anime abridged stuff. My bad.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

This being narrated by Lady, a person who didn't know how the actual events played out exactly undercuts the scenes validity.

This issue isn't that it cuts stuff, it is the fact that they effectively added a brand new stuff that only exists in the intro. If it was "condensed" they wouldn't have added new things, just shortened the fight, but adding new junk makes it uncanon.

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

I am assuming this is the Lady after the events of DMC3.

No it isn't brand new. The clashing and rain drop scene was just Dante and Vergil fighting each other cut short. As I have said the raindrop and slashing is the surmised gameplay of the first boss fight with Vergil.

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

This is literally just an assumption on your part. Assumptions can't be used

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

Then how did Lady know they were the sons of Sparda?

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u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ Dec 23 '17

Lady's narration basically says it was post DMC3, not pre. She retelling events, even those she wasn't there personally.

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u/Cleverly_Clearly ​ Dec 23 '17

The literal definition of "abridge" is "to shorten in duration or extent". Can you explain why the sequence that is a shortened version of another sequence isn't an abridged version of events? Because those two things are actually synonymous.

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u/LoIIygagger Dec 23 '17

Yeah my bad. Didn't look into the wording that clear.