r/whowouldwin • u/Joseph_Stalin_ ​ • Dec 20 '17

Special [Death Battle]Sephiroth vs Vergil

Vergil Respect Thread by me

Sephiroth Respect Thread by /u/ShadowSphere

Round 1: Regular Versions

Round 2: Nelo Angelo vs Whatever Peak Sephiroth is.

As per rules of Death Battle, they're both going for the kill

https://youtu.be/8sdzSDKquiY

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u/KevinLee487 ​ Dec 23 '17 edited Dec 23 '17

It was her voice

And?

This is the same game that has Dante surfing on a rocket. If we're using "this can't happen because it's stupid" as an excuse, then we're suddenly playing by a whole different set of rules. And "this can't happen because it's stupid" has never been an acceptable argument on WWW anyway.

That is a whole other discussion.

But we don't see the raindrops frozen while we're in their perspective, so why would them having faster perceptions make the raindrops seem faster? Wouldn't the raindrops be even slower then?

You would figure, but we barely see any rain during the Mission 7 cutscene.

At the end if the day, its a pre-rendered cutscene on weak hardware. Perhaps they ran into technical issues? Everything is rendered in much greater detail during Mission 7. I cant tell you for sure.

Just for giggles, lets do it this way. When Dante fires his gun at Vergil, time is slowed. A raindrop falls at 20mph. A .45 from a 1911(which Dantes guns are based off) travels at 595mph which is 29.75x faster than the raindrop. Despite this slow down, Vergil is still creating after images with Yamato when he catches all 6 bullets.

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u/Cleverly_Clearly ​ Dec 23 '17 edited Dec 23 '17

And?

And I don't know, if I heard Dante's voice during that cutscene I would assume it was Dante recounting the events. If I heard Vergil's voice I would assume it was Vergil recounting the events. Occam's razor, if you hear the voice of Lady then it's probably from Lady's perspective and not some omniscient narrator who stole Lady's voice.

At the end if the day, its a pre-rendered cutscene on weak hardware. Perhaps they ran into technical issues?

So your argument is "they would have done this, but they didn't have the technology to depict it"? You could extrapolate anything from that. I could say they would have had Vergil turn into a giant monster and had Dante crawl up his back like in God of War but they didn't have the technology to depict it. Plus, if they really wanted to have that in the cutscene but couldn't do it, they could have fixed that in the HD version.

And as to your other response, if catching bullets is more impressive than the raindrops, why even bother mentioning the raindrop feat in the first place?

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u/KevinLee487 ​ Dec 23 '17

And I don't know, if I heard Dante's voice during that cutscene I would assume it was Dante recounting the events. If I heard Vergil's voice I would assume it was Vergil recounting the events

Which would be plausible since both of them were there. Lady wasnt.

So your argument is "they would have done this, but they didn't have the technology to depict it"?

Its a very real possibility

Plus, if they really wanted to have that in the cutscene but couldn't do it, they could have fixed that in the HD version.

You would have a point if it wasnt Capcom we were talking about.

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u/Cleverly_Clearly ​ Dec 23 '17

So your argument is "they would have done this, but they didn't have the technology to depict it"?

Its a very real possibility

You are crafting this scenario where you are making completely evidence-less assumptions on the part of Capcom to justify your conclusion. Why not look at the feats and make your own judgement about them than starting off at "raindrop feat is valid" and then having to come up with stranger and stranger theories to justify it, finally culminating in "what the developers probably would have done contradicts what the player is seeing". Isn't it kind of admitting defeat if you go "well, it may be this way, but I bet they would have done it this way instead"?

Also, read my previous post again

Read my previous post again, because I already responded to that.

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u/KevinLee487 ​ Dec 23 '17

I consider it canon. It doesnt contradict anything. If anything, its the part of the fight that you play in Mission 7.

And I dont think its more impressive. Id consider it less so because even in the intro with the time slow, there are clashes that are invisible to the camera

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u/Cleverly_Clearly ​ Dec 23 '17

I consider it canon

Well, that's wrong. That's why I'm debating you.

It doesn't contradict anything

Except that the fact that the two sequences are contradictory is the whole point of the argument.

And I dont think its more impressive. Id consider it less so because even in the intro with the time slow, there are clashes that are invisible to the camera

Then why did you even bring it up?

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u/Cleverly_Clearly ​ Dec 23 '17

Low-effort responses can get you banned you know. If the only thing you have to justify yourself with is "Nope", then you should start coming up with some new evidence fast.

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u/KevinLee487 ​ Dec 23 '17

Also read my previous post again.